Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts 17.0 The Least Random

[ACMFFL]

I think any deal that adds max player to Dallas is DOA unless Davis is involved in the deal.
Imho you can't build a functional team around 3 supermax players anymore.

That might be the normal case, but this Dallas team isn’t functional.

But Beal is only a two year max. After that he will be no where close to that. And during those two years, Dallas has good and cheap production out of Lively, Naji, Christie, and hopefully Flagg obviously. So the depth chart can be a little top heavy.

And I can’t see Kyrie getting a 30% max a definitely not a super max. With his injury I’d be surprised if he was a 25% max. I’d hope Dallas’ offer is more like 3yr130–140 or 4yr170-180?

Yeah but after winning the lottery they have the unique opportunity to build a functional team.

If they are still looking to compete, it doesn't make sense to eat Beal contract cause he would destroy their depth and imho it's not worth the candle for 2 mid/late 1sts.
On the other hand it's more reasonable to take on Beal contract (+assets attached) if Mavs want to hit the reset button by trading away AD.

Agreed on Kyrie, 3/140 should be enough, but even then I still don't think they can afford to add another supermax contract, big3 formula is a recipe of a disaster in this new CBA era.

[DNP-Old]

Bulls out: Smith & Dosunmu
Bulls in: Hatchimura

Magic out: Bitadze
Magis in: Dosunmu

LAL out: Hatchimura
LAL in: Smith & Bitadze

[ACMFFL]

Trying one? Dallas would have to save money later by dumping Hardy/Powell. And have to find a reliable third string center.. but that’s okay.

It’s a bad idea, yeah.

Beal could like the idea of playing with AD and Kyrie, being given a chance to be featured more?And Dallas is a nice city.

Dallas: Gafford, PJ, Klay, Martin
Dallas: Beal, 2026 Detroit first (top 14 protected, 10, 8, 6, 4 etc), 2029 worst of Utah/Cleveland/Minn

Pretends Beal can help keep the offense afloat until Kyrie gets back. Same age as the other old stars. Assets to retool around Flagg once Nico is fired.

Detroit: Tobias Harris and 2026 Detroit first (top 14 protected, 10, 8, 6, 4 etc)
Detroit: PJ and Klay

Great fitting starting forward and a vet shooter. Thank THJ for his time.

Phoenix: Beal, 2029 worst of Utah/Cleveland/Minn
Phoenix: Tobias, Gafford, Martin

Phoeni saves a fortune and brings in 3 guys that would play 20-30mpg for them?

Kind of think Det should be happy to take Martin into their MLE, which would save Phoenix a bigger fortune and they can trust in Royce/Dunn. But eh

I might steal your Tobias for PJ/Klay idea to work with yet another Jrue to DAL idea...

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Harris

DAL gives: PJ, Klay
DAL gets: Jrue

DET gives: Harris
DET gets: PJ, Klay

If the Celtics do want to try and stay afloat without Tatum, Harris is a decent stylistic fit as far as that scoring PF/wing type. This makes a dent in their ducking below the 2nd apron that follow up Porzingis and Hauser trades should be able to bring over the finish line. Harris being expiring means this sets them up to be more than $20M below the tax in 26-27 when Tatum comes back and closer to $30M if Hauser is also moved into a TPE/MLE, so there's plenty of room to fill out the roster too.

This hardcaps the Mavs at the 1st, PJ/Klay aren't enough to match Jrue salary. Value-wise I have Pistons owing a protected 1st to Dallas but framework looks good, PJ is a nice fit in Detroit.

[hugepatsfan]

Trying one? Dallas would have to save money later by dumping Hardy/Powell. And have to find a reliable third string center.. but that’s okay.

It’s a bad idea, yeah.

Beal could like the idea of playing with AD and Kyrie, being given a chance to be featured more?And Dallas is a nice city.

Dallas: Gafford, PJ, Klay, Martin
Dallas: Beal, 2026 Detroit first (top 14 protected, 10, 8, 6, 4 etc), 2029 worst of Utah/Cleveland/Minn

Pretends Beal can help keep the offense afloat until Kyrie gets back. Same age as the other old stars. Assets to retool around Flagg once Nico is fired.

Detroit: Tobias Harris and 2026 Detroit first (top 14 protected, 10, 8, 6, 4 etc)
Detroit: PJ and Klay

Great fitting starting forward and a vet shooter. Thank THJ for his time.

Phoenix: Beal, 2029 worst of Utah/Cleveland/Minn
Phoenix: Tobias, Gafford, Martin

Phoeni saves a fortune and brings in 3 guys that would play 20-30mpg for them?

Kind of think Det should be happy to take Martin into their MLE, which would save Phoenix a bigger fortune and they can trust in Royce/Dunn. But eh

I might steal your Tobias for PJ/Klay idea to work with yet another Jrue to DAL idea...

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Harris

DAL gives: PJ, Klay
DAL gets: Jrue

DET gives: Harris
DET gets: PJ, Klay

If the Celtics do want to try and stay afloat without Tatum, Harris is a decent stylistic fit as far as that scoring PF/wing type. This makes a dent in their ducking below the 2nd apron that follow up Porzingis and Hauser trades should be able to bring over the finish line. Harris being expiring means this sets them up to be more than $20M below the tax in 26-27 when Tatum comes back and closer to $30M if Hauser is also moved into a TPE/MLE, so there's plenty of room to fill out the roster too.

This hardcaps the Mavs at the 1st, PJ/Klay aren't enough to match Jrue salary. Value-wise I have Pistons owing a protected 1st to Dallas but framework looks good, PJ is a nice fit in Detroit.

Yeah needs some refinement. The salaries are $1,581,159 short. I think adding a dump of Brandon Williams (after guaranteed), OMP, or Powell on another team is something that can be done. BOS owes the cost of that.

Curios how DET will feel about taking back 2nd year of Klay and paying a pick for PJ on an expiring, but seems like it could be feasible.

[jayjaysee]

I think any deal that adds max player to Dallas is DOA unless Davis is involved in the deal.
Imho you can't build a functional team around 3 supermax players anymore.

That might be the normal case, but this Dallas team isn’t functional.

But Beal is only a two year max. After that he will be no where close to that. And during those two years, Dallas has good and cheap production out of Lively, Naji, Christie, and hopefully Flagg obviously. So the depth chart can be a little top heavy.

And I can’t see Kyrie getting a 30% max a definitely not a super max. With his injury I’d be surprised if he was a 25% max. I’d hope Dallas’ offer is more like 3yr130–140 or 4yr170-180?

Yeah but after winning the lottery they have the unique opportunity to build a functional team.

If they are still looking to compete, it doesn't make sense to eat Beal contract cause he would destroy their depth and imho it's not worth the candle for 2 mid/late 1sts.
On the other hand it's more reasonable to take on Beal contract (+assets attached) if Mavs want to hit the reset button by trading away AD.

Agreed on Kyrie, 3/140 should be enough, but even then I still don't think they can afford to add another supermax contract, big3 formula is a recipe of a disaster in this new CBA era.

Yeah, I’m not calling it a big3. And I don’t think it’s sustainable. But doesn’t need to be. It’s two years with the top 7 locked up safely under the second apron, year two you can likely use the taxMLE on another piece,. Then Beal goes away.

I don’t think there’s a reason to go into Beal for AD, as I see no reason for Beal to agree to come to the Mavericks without AD.

Obviously wouldn’t complain if Dallas could ask for more from Detroit or more likely Phoenix in that idea, but I think it would just be Oso and some seconds?

[Texas Chuck]

so I'm not in favor of Beal/assets for solid role players for Dallas. But I definitely see jay's logic. Cooper Flagg just changes so much for Dallas I'm still wrapping my head around which approach is best.

[jayjaysee]

Trying one? Dallas would have to save money later by dumping Hardy/Powell. And have to find a reliable third string center.. but that’s okay.

It’s a bad idea, yeah.

Beal could like the idea of playing with AD and Kyrie, being given a chance to be featured more?And Dallas is a nice city.

Dallas: Gafford, PJ, Klay, Martin
Dallas: Beal, 2026 Detroit first (top 14 protected, 10, 8, 6, 4 etc), 2029 worst of Utah/Cleveland/Minn

Pretends Beal can help keep the offense afloat until Kyrie gets back. Same age as the other old stars. Assets to retool around Flagg once Nico is fired.

Detroit: Tobias Harris and 2026 Detroit first (top 14 protected, 10, 8, 6, 4 etc)
Detroit: PJ and Klay

Great fitting starting forward and a vet shooter. Thank THJ for his time.

Phoenix: Beal, 2029 worst of Utah/Cleveland/Minn
Phoenix: Tobias, Gafford, Martin

Phoeni saves a fortune and brings in 3 guys that would play 20-30mpg for them?

Kind of think Det should be happy to take Martin into their MLE, which would save Phoenix a bigger fortune and they can trust in Royce/Dunn. But eh

I might steal your Tobias for PJ/Klay idea to work with yet another Jrue to DAL idea...

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Harris

DAL gives: PJ, Klay
DAL gets: Jrue

DET gives: Harris
DET gets: PJ, Klay

If the Celtics do want to try and stay afloat without Tatum, Harris is a decent stylistic fit as far as that scoring PF/wing type. This makes a dent in their ducking below the 2nd apron that follow up Porzingis and Hauser trades should be able to bring over the finish line. Harris being expiring means this sets them up to be more than $20M below the tax in 26-27 when Tatum comes back and closer to $30M if Hauser is also moved into a TPE/MLE, so there's plenty of room to fill out the roster too.

I like it. I think Det should be okay with taking on Klay’s deal while still paying for PJ. Klay seems a really good fit in a 20-25 mpg role there, still overpaid but providing great spacing for Thompson/Cade.

I like Jrue to Dallas, but I think they’d need to still leave themselves second apron room to find an offensive focused piece. If the offensive is led by Jrue, Flagg, AD and Williams (or Spencer/typical vet min) then Dallas will likely wind up outside of the play-in anyways. Most fans would be happy with that outcome though*

Hard to figure out what guard is cheap enough but good enough at running an offense to trust with that short term expanded role.

[ACMFFL]

That might be the normal case, but this Dallas team isn’t functional.

But Beal is only a two year max. After that he will be no where close to that. And during those two years, Dallas has good and cheap production out of Lively, Naji, Christie, and hopefully Flagg obviously. So the depth chart can be a little top heavy.

And I can’t see Kyrie getting a 30% max a definitely not a super max. With his injury I’d be surprised if he was a 25% max. I’d hope Dallas’ offer is more like 3yr130–140 or 4yr170-180?

Yeah but after winning the lottery they have the unique opportunity to build a functional team.

If they are still looking to compete, it doesn't make sense to eat Beal contract cause he would destroy their depth and imho it's not worth the candle for 2 mid/late 1sts.
On the other hand it's more reasonable to take on Beal contract (+assets attached) if Mavs want to hit the reset button by trading away AD.

Agreed on Kyrie, 3/140 should be enough, but even then I still don't think they can afford to add another supermax contract, big3 formula is a recipe of a disaster in this new CBA era.

Yeah, I’m not calling it a big3. And I don’t think it’s sustainable. But doesn’t need to be. It’s two years with the top 7 locked up safely under the second apron, year two you can likely use the taxMLE on another piece,. Then Beal goes away.

I don’t think there’s a reason to go into Beal for AD, as I see no reason for Beal to agree to come to the Mavericks without AD.

Obviously wouldn’t complain if Dallas could ask for more from Detroit or more likely Phoenix in that idea, but I think it would just be Oso and some seconds?

I called it big3 cause they are all on max or supermax contracts and I think Dallas has a lot of option to build a sustainable team this summer.

Imho PJ alone is worth that DET 1st, I don't think a distant mid/late 1st is enough to entice the Mavs eating Beal contract even with Klay/Caleb bad money in the equation. But here I might be too biased idk honestly.

Unless Beal still believes in PHX, he should know that with that kind of contract only bad teams would have interest in him.

[NYG]

Cannaughton to Boston and Green to Houston instead gets Boston out of the second apron, $10m over the first

If you could keep Sengun, Eason and Amen plus trade for Giannis, would you do it?

[jayjaysee]

Obviously wouldn’t complain if Dallas could ask for more from Detroit or more likely Phoenix in that idea, but I think it would just be Oso and some seconds?

Imho PJ alone is worth that DET 1st, I don't think a distant mid/late 1st is enough to entice the Mavs eating Beal contract even with Klay/Caleb bad money in the equation. But here I might be too biased idk honestly.

Yeah, I try to undershoot by a bit in Dallas ideas. Maybe I went too far there. Maybe 29th to Dallas. Or Oso and some 2nds. Or both.

[hugepatsfan]

Everyone pick this apart and tell me how I **** up. End result of this is BOS is $1,153,266 below the luxury tax with one spot left to fill. They'll have to do some penny pinching. Maybe dumping a guy mid year to backfill with a pro rated minimum. Maybe waive Davison or Walsh and backfill with a rookie. Maybe trade #28 to someone for #31 so they can save like $1.5M on the contract. Things like that.

Spoiler:

Trade #1:

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Patrick Williams, 2 future CHI 2nd rounders

CHI gives: Patrick Williams, 3 future 2nds
CHI gets: Tobias Harris

DAL gives: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson, Dwight Powell
DAL gets: Jrue Holiday, 2026 DET 1st

DET gives: Tobias Harris, 2026 1st
DET gets: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHI 2nd rounder, Dwight Powell

Trade #2

BOS gives: Kristaps Porzingis
BOS gets: Josef Nurkic

CHA gives: Josef Nurkic, Josh Okogie, 2nd rounder(s)
CHA gets: Kristaps Porzingis

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHA 2nd rounder(s), Josh Okogie

Trade #3

BOS gives: Josef Nurkic, 2 future 2nds they got from CHI, 4 of their own future 2nds
BOS gets: nothing

UT gives: Jordan Clarkson
UT gets: Josef Nurkic, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

MIA gives: Kyle Anderson
MIA gets: Jordan Clarkson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: Kyle Anderson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds (requires them having a MLE/TPE to use)

[LarsV8]

If you could keep Sengun, Eason and Amen plus trade for Giannis, would you do it?

I don't think it's the right mix for balancing asset spend, team roles, and managing luxury tax spend.

My preference is too try and keep Amen, Tari and Bari as the supporting pieces (and too a lesser extent Reed) and add a mega star to that while having "complete" roster on the other end, by using Sengun, Cam, Green and picks to make the deal.

My favorite proposal right now is
Sengun, Green to NOP for Herb, CJ and both Milwaukee picks.

FVV to Orlando for #16, and contracts

Giannis, CJ, Herb to Houston

Contracts, Whitmore, #10, #16, both NOP picks, 27 Suns #1, best two 2029 picks between Dal, Hou and Phx. To Milwaukee.

-Bucks get a hell of a pick package
-Orlando nabs a much needed PG
-NOP gets a nice talent upgrade and Health.
-Houston can put a highly competitive team on the floor immediately that is balanced.

[Texas Chuck]

my favorite deals too are the ones where I bring in other teams to overpay so my team gets the MVP for cheaper. Can't see the Magic going for that at all nor New Orleans.

[Godaddycurse]

Everyone pick this apart and tell me how I **** up. End result of this is BOS is $1,153,266 below the luxury tax with one spot left to fill. They'll have to do some penny pinching. Maybe dumping a guy mid year to backfill with a pro rated minimum. Maybe waive Davison or Walsh and backfill with a rookie. Maybe trade #28 to someone for #31 so they can save like $1.5M on the contract. Things like that.

Spoiler:

Trade #1:

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Patrick Williams, 2 future CHI 2nd rounders

CHI gives: Patrick Williams, 3 future 2nds
CHI gets: Tobias Harris

DAL gives: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson, Dwight Powell
DAL gets: Jrue Holiday

DET gives: Tobias Harris, 2026 1st
DET gets: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHI 2nd rounder, Dwight Powell

Trade #2

BOS gives: Kristaps Porzingis
BOS gets: Josef Nurkic

CHA gives: Josef Nurkic, Josh Okogie, 2nd rounder(s)
CHA gets: Kristaps Porzingis

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHA 2nd rounder(s), Josh Okogie

Trade #3

BOS gives: Josef Nurkic, 2 future 2nds they got from CHI, 4 of their own future 2nds
BOS gets: nothing

UT gives: Jordan Clarkson
UT gets: Josef Nurkic, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

MIA gives: Kyle Anderson
MIA gets: Jordan Clarkson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: Kyle Anderson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds (requires them having a MLE/TPE to use)

where did detroit 1st go?
chicago needs to pay more to dump williams

[hugepatsfan]

Everyone pick this apart and tell me how I **** up. End result of this is BOS is $1,153,266 below the luxury tax with one spot left to fill. They'll have to do some penny pinching. Maybe dumping a guy mid year to backfill with a pro rated minimum. Maybe waive Davison or Walsh and backfill with a rookie. Maybe trade #28 to someone for #31 so they can save like $1.5M on the contract. Things like that.

Spoiler:

Trade #1:

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Patrick Williams, 2 future CHI 2nd rounders

CHI gives: Patrick Williams, 3 future 2nds
CHI gets: Tobias Harris

DAL gives: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson, Dwight Powell
DAL gets: Jrue Holiday

DET gives: Tobias Harris, 2026 1st
DET gets: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHI 2nd rounder, Dwight Powell

Trade #2

BOS gives: Kristaps Porzingis
BOS gets: Josef Nurkic

CHA gives: Josef Nurkic, Josh Okogie, 2nd rounder(s)
CHA gets: Kristaps Porzingis

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHA 2nd rounder(s), Josh Okogie

Trade #3

BOS gives: Josef Nurkic, 2 future 2nds they got from CHI, 4 of their own future 2nds
BOS gets: nothing

UT gives: Jordan Clarkson
UT gets: Josef Nurkic, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

MIA gives: Kyle Anderson
MIA gets: Jordan Clarkson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: Kyle Anderson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds (requires them having a MLE/TPE to use)

where did detroit 1st go?
chicago needs to pay more to dump williams

Whoops, DET 1st to DAL. Idea stolen from Jaysee on that aprt.

I kind of agree CHI owes more to dump Williams, but I just don't think they'd pay it. They'd just bow out of the deal, and the downstream financial impacts of BOS needing to keep Harris vs. Patrick Williams are serious when you take this plan together as a whole. I tried to include a price that CHI could justify paying even though they don't need to. I'm sure there's some other workaround here if they bow out where BOS can turn Harris into a player in that salary range, but Patrick Williams was a draft binky of mine so I'm a bit biased towards him. I actually think he could thrive on a team with Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard and maybe Scheierman if he develops handling all the shot creation because Patrick Williams even in college was more that glue guy role player type of guy which doesn't play as well in CHI where they're looking at you as a high pick as it does in BOS where the expectations are to be a role player. He's actually a guy I'm pretty interested in on the court, not just salary filler. But I realize I'm probably on an island there.

[LarsV8]

my favorite deals too are the ones where I bring in other teams to overpay so my team gets the MVP for cheaper. Can't see the Magic going for that at all nor New Orleans.

Well the nop and orl portions i got positive feedback from atleast one person of each those fanbases for those deals, so i felt it was reasonable, but you do you.

[jayjaysee]

Everyone pick this apart and tell me how I **** up. End result of this is BOS is $1,153,266 below the luxury tax with one spot left to fill. They'll have to do some penny pinching. Maybe dumping a guy mid year to backfill with a pro rated minimum. Maybe waive Davison or Walsh and backfill with a rookie. Maybe trade #28 to someone for #31 so they can save like $1.5M on the contract. Things like that.

Spoiler:

Trade #1:

BOS gives: Jrue
BOS gets: Patrick Williams, 2 future CHI 2nd rounders

CHI gives: Patrick Williams, 3 future 2nds
CHI gets: Tobias Harris

DAL gives: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson, Dwight Powell
DAL gets: Jrue Holiday

DET gives: Tobias Harris, 2026 1st
DET gets: PJ Washington, Klay Thompson

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHI 2nd rounder, Dwight Powell

Trade #2

BOS gives: Kristaps Porzingis
BOS gets: Josef Nurkic

CHA gives: Josef Nurkic, Josh Okogie, 2nd rounder(s)
CHA gets: Kristaps Porzingis

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: future CHA 2nd rounder(s), Josh Okogie

Trade #3

BOS gives: Josef Nurkic, 2 future 2nds they got from CHI, 4 of their own future 2nds
BOS gets: nothing

UT gives: Jordan Clarkson
UT gets: Josef Nurkic, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

MIA gives: Kyle Anderson
MIA gets: Jordan Clarkson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds

Random team gives: nothing
Random team gets: Kyle Anderson, 2 future BOS or CHI 2nds (requires them having a MLE/TPE to use)

I think Chicago does Huerter for Harris, has to throw in another small contract but they can pick who. And they can take back another contract if you’re just shuffling bench pieces (Dalen Terry and have Chicago take back a player into one of their TPE’s)

Including Patrick, is hurting Boston’s side.

Think Dallas gets the Det first. Even if they need to add a second? But I don’t think they would have to.

The Miami deal doesn’t work though imo. They shouldn’t hard cap themselves at first apron. And shouldn’t really want Clarkson and Rozier but maybe they have other deals lined up to move on from Scary.

Since I was just posting Beal to Dallas and my standards are pretty low.. trying to “consolidate” a bit..

Dallas could be the team to end up with Clarkson instead of another leg of the trade? Didn’t play with the numbers, but seems legal to match using.. Klay, PJ, Martin, Hardy, Powell? Jrue, Clarkson, Christie is a bad guard rotation until Kyrie is back. But it is one..

Or you could use Gafford since Dallas needs the second apron breathing room anyways and find the additional value to Dallas. Hope Dallas gets a cheap/useful backup big when the trade is drawn up?

[jayjaysee]

Too big and ugly. But like trying the Jrue trades..

SAS: Branham, Wesley, and ??
SAS: Gafford and Martin (TPE)

Good backup for Wemby, decent bench forward.

Det: Harris and ??
Det: Klay, PJ, Branham

Good fitting/affordable depth. Branham isn’t a need, but he needs to go somewhere..

Boston: Jrue and ??
Boston: Carter

Dump Carter somewhere later.

Chicago: Ayo, Jalen, and Carter
Chicago: Harris, Wesley (TPE)

Get minor value for their two good bench pieces while adding someone who would start a year next to Matas. Wesley isn’t a need, but he needs to go somewhere..

Dallas: Gafford, PJ, Klay, Martin
Dallas: Jrue, Ayo, Jalen

Downgrading the big man depth to create a guard rotation? The 6 mil trimmer should be enough to stay under the second apron and fill the last roster spot. Ideally, you use seconds to turn Hardy/Powell into a useful body. Or into cap space to use the taxMLE

And you decide what value, and how that value, gets split between Dallas and Chicago?

If Boston does that, then dumps Carter and Hauser.. they’re under the tax right?

[daoneandonly]

I don't like trading both PJ and Gaff and then having both Ayo and Jrue. The latter is a relic but paid like an all star in his prime

[jayjaysee]

I don't like trading both PJ and Gaff and then having both Ayo and Jrue. The latter is a relic but paid like an all star in his prime

Kind of feel like it’s just deck chairs for Dallas without a protected first coming back? Just not sure if Chicago does Ayo/Jalen for Tobias and 3-5 seconds..