Cleveland & Orlando & Sacramento

[ReggiesKnicks]

If Black is a good point guard prospect then why isn't orlando excited to keep him and develop him when they have such a need at point guard?

Because they need to give up assets to acquire a player as good as, as you say he is, Malik Monk.

You said teams should pay for Malik Monk. I have Orlando trading a decent PG prospect and a late 1st for him. That's a decent haul for a 5th starter

It also balances the Kings and gives them depth.

With the apron and Orlando’s future finances, trading Black has to make a lot of sense (bigger fish).

Orlando could get a similar player that fits the role Monk will be asked to play for assets outside of Black imo.

Again, this is not saying he’s untouchable but don’t think Monk nor his archetype is the target for a Black centered trade.

I don't agree trading Black needs to be for bigger fish.

Locking in a 4th/5th starter or elite 6th man on Monks contract fills a lot of holes for Orlando.

I agree Black may not be needed here and the assets can be utilized elsewhere.

Maybe it's easier to do Isaac/Howard/#25 for Monk, or something similar.

[Godaddycurse]

i think Monk is worth 25 or Black, not both. Orlando should send out more salary so they are not hardcapped at 1st apron
Think Okoro for Bitadze makes more sense for Cleveland

[Magic_Johnny12]

I don't agree trading Black needs to be for bigger fish.

Orlando has limited *tangible assets. Outside of distant picks Black might be Orlando’s highest valued asset. Trading him prematurely for a backup PG shooting 32% from 3 doesn’t seem like the best asset management and before you or anyone else says it Monk IS a backup PG for as long as KCP is on this team.

Maybe it's easier to do Isaac/Howard/#25 for Monk, or something similar.

Yes, this makes A LOT more sense.

[penbeast0]

Well duh, they’re starting Cory Joseph for crying out loud

Coby White/Collin Sexton/Anfernee Simons are all similar players, all putrid defenders and all can theoretically score. All are available and all should cost a lot less than this.

However and ultimately, Orlando needs shooting and Monk shooting 32% from 3 isn’t exactly what they need in a PG.

Is he an upgrade over what they have currently? Absolutely, no question. Is he worth Black, Goga and a FRP? Absolutely not (imho).

Don't forget Jordan Poole who (to my shock) probably had a better defensive year than any of the 3 and is also a ball dominant scoring point with above league average efficiency. His value is also still depressed from being the second most tankeriffic player in the NBA the previous year (Hi Scoot) so you might be able to get him at a reasonable price.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Well duh, they’re starting Cory Joseph for crying out loud

Coby White/Collin Sexton/Anfernee Simons are all similar players, all putrid defenders and all can theoretically score. All are available and all should cost a lot less than this.

However and ultimately, Orlando needs shooting and Monk shooting 32% from 3 isn’t exactly what they need in a PG.

Is he an upgrade over what they have currently? Absolutely, no question. Is he worth Black, Goga and a FRP? Absolutely not (imho).

Don't forget Jordan Poole who (to my shock) probably had a better defensive year than any of the 3 and is also a ball dominant scoring point with above league average efficiency. His value is also still depressed from being the second most tankeriffic player in the NBA the previous year (Hi Scoot) so you might be able to get him at a reasonable price.

Yup, his name is mentioned ever so often. He also has Michigan connections (Wagner bros, Houstan, Howard) so it kinda makes sense but his contract makes things a little difficult. You would have to be certain he could be the difference maker. High risk/high reward kinda move, not sure Orlando is that kind of position just yet.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If Black is a good point guard prospect then why isn't orlando excited to keep him and develop him when they have such a need at point guard?

Because they need to give up assets to acquire a player as good as, as you say he is, Malik Monk.

You said teams should pay for Malik Monk. I have Orlando trading a decent PG prospect and a late 1st for him. That's a decent haul for a 5th starter

It also balances the Kings and gives them depth.

black isn't even a PG outside of on paper, he's more like a 3&d wing player. Corey Joseph started more games later in the year because he could get Orlando into sets and keep the ball moving.

do agree with Johnny though, no way I'm giving up Black and a 1st for Monk. Rather hold onto black for a bigger fish and pray Orlando's FO find a way to move 16 Cole, Gary/Jett/other dudes for Simons/Sexton type of guard.

[ReggiesKnicks]

If Black is a good point guard prospect then why isn't orlando excited to keep him and develop him when they have such a need at point guard?

Because they need to give up assets to acquire a player as good as, as you say he is, Malik Monk.

You said teams should pay for Malik Monk. I have Orlando trading a decent PG prospect and a late 1st for him. That's a decent haul for a 5th starter

It also balances the Kings and gives them depth.

black isn't even a PG outside of on paper, he's more like a 3&d wing player. Corey Joseph started more games later in the year because he could get Orlando into sets and keep the ball moving.

Alright then replace PG with versatile ball-handler who is a good defender

[tcheco]

Dont see any of the teams doing it.
Orlando gets Monk, 17ppg 43/32 splits with 2/1 assist/TO ratio, not great considering the potencial in Black(who is already a better defender than Monk) and their pick and their backup big... I think they should aim higher than that honestly. Monk is a solid sixth man that can score league averages... Not terrible, specially his cheap contract, but Magic is not a Monk away from going for the title.

Also Kings are rebuilding? Cause thats the only reason to get Black(whilst already having Devin Carter), Magic core is young enough to afford to wait on Black developing, Kings have Lavine and Sabonis who will be at the end of their prime when Black is entering his prime.

Cavs also need Max Struss shooting way more than a backup, Hunter does not provide that, also they wont have any flexibility money wise to land a shooter

[cavsfanatic]

Couldn't a trade like this help Cavs get out of the second apron? They might have to add some second rounders to Okoro to get under.
That would be an added benefit and I would consider this seriously.

[longfellow44]

I don't agree trading Black needs to be for bigger fish.

Orlando has limited *tangible assets. Outside of distant picks Black might be Orlando’s highest valued asset. Trading him prematurely for a backup PG shooting 32% from 3 doesn’t seem like the best asset management and before you or anyone else says it Monk IS a backup PG for as long as KCP is on this team.

Maybe it's easier to do Isaac/Howard/#25 for Monk, or something similar.

Yes, this makes A LOT more sense.

Isaac and his 15 minutes a game do not make sense for the kings. If you can find a 3 party team to send the kings value instead of Isaac then maybe there could be something there. But the fact that he can't find more minutes on his current teams tells me all I need to know about his ability to stay on the court.

[jbk1234]

Couldn't a trade like this help Cavs get out of the second apron? They might have to add some second rounders to Okoro to get under.
That would be an added benefit and I would consider this seriously.

If the Cavs traded Strus and Okoro for minimal salary coming back, they could duck the second apron assuming they let both Ty and Merrill walk. At that point, you're down one starter and three rotation players before you've made your trade.

[cavsfanatic]

Couldn't a trade like this help Cavs get out of the second apron? They might have to add some second rounders to Okoro to get under.
That would be an added benefit and I would consider this seriously.

If the Cavs traded Strus and Okoro for minimal salary coming back, they could duck the second apron assuming they let both Ty and Merrill walk. At that point, you're down one starter and three rotation players before you've made your trade.

Goga would be a rotation player,,then i think you have a reset of sorts with your bench. 25 could be used to bring another player in,,,it would take a lot of tinkering. I'm personally bringing back Merrill at a minimum and Jerome was so exposed in the playoffs i'm not breaking the bank for him.

[jbk1234]

Couldn't a trade like this help Cavs get out of the second apron? They might have to add some second rounders to Okoro to get under.
That would be an added benefit and I would consider this seriously.

If the Cavs traded Strus and Okoro for minimal salary coming back, they could duck the second apron assuming they let both Ty and Merrill walk. At that point, you're down one starter and three rotation players before you've made your trade.

Goga would be a rotation player,,then i think you have a reset of sorts with your bench. 25 could be used to bring another player in,,,it would take a lot of tinkering. I'm personally bringing back Merrill at a minimum and Jerome was so exposed in the playoffs i'm not breaking the bank for him.

If there's a three team deal that brings back Goga and sends out Okoro, I'd probably consider it. I'm completely off the train at Strus for cap space though. Strus is a solid, two-way player worth every bit of his contract.

I think Merrill gets more than the minimum on the open market. Like Delly, there's definitely a price point at which I wish him well. I go back and forth on Ty at the league average exception. Next summer is a much better time for the Cavs to make a big move.

[Knightro]

Anthony Black, Goga Bitadze and a late first for Malik Monk?

That feels like too much.

[Skybox]

I'm ok with #16 and Goga for Monk but not Black...he's got way too much upside and he's already a lockdown defender with great positional size.

ORL could really use a guy like Monk (or Simons or Sexton or Coby White or McCollum...) but if they really targeted Monk and AB was a deal-breaker...I'd do it with no picks attached.

so, Goga, Cole Anthony & 16 for Monk

or, Goga, Black & Harris straight up for Monk

[facothomas22]

The Kings should lean more towards getting draft capital package if they're making trades,instead of going after win now talent.They're nowhere contending for anything of significance. I think the Cavaliers should be cut with the Kings getting the 25th pick in the draft instead.

[orlando_joe]

i can not help myself to stay away from this board...almost everything looks like magic give more to get less..i know homer but man
i just do not see monk as this great player that is worth 3 positive assets\

edit
just read some more...if sky thinks its to much you know this is off...lol

[LightTheBeam]

I love the idea of Monk for Black type of deal for both teams.

Cleveland not really necessary here. I like the idea of finding a forward for Sac. What could we do with Demar + JV + 25 while keeping Goga?

[tidho]

So CLE is trading a guy that (shouldn't but does) start for them, for a guy that will be the 3rd big (who ORL didn't even play in the playoffs). Seems off. CLE does save a lot of money, if this gets them under the 2nd apron then maybe it's worth doing to facilitate something else. On it's own, seems like there will be other options. Not ignoring the pick, but Koby is incapable of finding a rotation caliber player outside the top 10, so pretty useless in CLE's hands.

[mcfly1204]

So CLE is trading a guy that (shouldn't but does) start for them, for a guy that will be the 3rd big (who ORL didn't even play in the playoffs). Seems off. CLE does save a lot of money, if this gets them under the 2nd apron then maybe it's worth doing to facilitate something else. On it's own, seems like there will be other options. Not ignoring the pick, but Koby is incapable of finding a rotation caliber player outside the top 10, so pretty useless in CLE's hands.

I'd also argue that Cleveland would be losing toughness that they sorely lack. You move Strus, and who is out there with physical play on the wing?