Shams: Shai Gilgeous-Alexander has won the 2024-25 NBA MVP award

Pistol_Pete · Post #61 » by **Pistol_Pete** » Wed May 21, 2025 8:58 pm

Congrats to him and OKC. Keeps it a little more interesting I guess.

Do I think he carries this Denver team to 50 wins ?

Hell no.

Blame Rasho · Post #62 » by **Blame Rasho** » Wed May 21, 2025 8:58 pm

Good for him. 68 wins, great stats, deserving of the MVP.

dkb964 · Post #63 » by **dkb964** » Wed May 21, 2025 8:59 pm

syrus3 wrote:Worse than when Embiid won it

He put up numbers that only MJ has done twice and he won MVP both of those seasons as well. The Thunder also won 68 games.

AleksandarN · Post #64 » by **AleksandarN** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:02 pm

Congrats to SGA.

badpotato · Post #65 » by **badpotato** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:03 pm

Plot twist: there are no sources, Shams just went ahead and tweeted since it's obvious anyway.

ibraheim718 · Post #66 » by **ibraheim718** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:04 pm

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JustBuzzin · Post #67 » by **JustBuzzin** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:05 pm

Jokic fans in shambles!

Castle Black · Post #68 » by **Castle Black** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:05 pm

Read on Twitter

RB34 · Post #69 » by **RB34** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:12 pm

Second time in his career Jokic had lost the MVP to a foul baiter, at least this one has made it out of the second round.

Kawaii Leonard · Post #70 » by **Kawaii Leonard** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:17 pm

RB34 wrote:Second time in his career Jokic had lost the MVP to a foul baiter, at least this one has made it out of the second round.

Read on Twitter

They all foul bait except maybe Curry. Prime MJ, Kobe, and Harden instantly come to mind.

eyeatoma · Post #71 » by **eyeatoma** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:21 pm

BigGargamel wrote:
syrus3 wrote:Worse than when Embiid won it

Not even close. That was a sham. This one is well deserved.

Jokic is still the "better player", but the win difference + SGA's stats, even as a Nuggets fan, I know you couldn't really vote for anyone else.

LOL if Embiid didn't get injured 2 years ago, what would have you called him winning that? The most dominant offensive season of all time is what he was on pace for. Nuggets fans, constantly proppin up their boy for advanced stats is the real sham, especially given how much of an advanced stats darling Embiid was in that year.

Whateva · Post #72 » by **Whateva** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:21 pm

Meh. Jokic's season was better.

Yoshun · Post #73 » by **Yoshun** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:22 pm

Definitely deserved.

RB34 · Post #74 » by **RB34** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:23 pm

Kawaii Leonard wrote:
RB34 wrote:Second time in his career Jokic had lost the MVP to a foul baiter, at least this one has made it out of the second round.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

They all foul bait except maybe Curry. Prime MJ, Kobe, and Harden instantly come to mind.

Watch that dude get mauled season after season.

Kawaii Leonard · Post #75 » by **Kawaii Leonard** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:26 pm

RB34 wrote:
Kawaii Leonard wrote:
RB34 wrote:Second time in his career Jokic had lost the MVP to a foul baiter, at least this one has made it out of the second round.

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

They all foul bait except maybe Curry. Prime MJ, Kobe, and Harden instantly come to mind.

Watch that dude get mauled season after season.

He’s the best player in the world that plays using his body. A Center who elbows and bulldozes his way to the rim is going to get that treatment. Let’s keep this about SGA.

FrodoFraggins · Post #76 » by **FrodoFraggins** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:26 pm

So I was curious if the NBA had something similar to the baseball Wins Above Replacement(WAR) stat and it doesn't, but it does have win shares. I don't hear it mentioned much so I'm not sure how useful it is but Shai had the best combined win share at 16.7 with Jokic second at 16.4. The next closest was Zubac at 11.7.

Team records are very much a team stat so there are some issues with making that a key criteria. I personally don't think Shai was more valuable to his team than Jokic was to his. OKC has a much better supporting roster. Jokic's win share as a percentage of his team wins is much higher that Shai's as a percentage of his.

RB34 · Post #77 » by **RB34** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:28 pm

Kawaii Leonard wrote:
RB34 wrote:
Kawaii Leonard wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

They all foul bait except maybe Curry. Prime MJ, Kobe, and Harden instantly come to mind.

Watch that dude get mauled season after season.

He’s the best player in the world that plays using his body. A Center who elbows and bulldozes his way to the rim is going to get that treatment. Let’s keep this about SGA.

So what’s the excuse for the dude that just snaps his head back and throws himself to the ground? Yeah, congrats to SGA and the Thunder.

heatwillbeback · Post #78 » by **heatwillbeback** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:30 pm

I think Jokic is the better player and had the better season, but Shai I cannot be upset about at all.

Like Jokic averaged a triple double shooting at about 58%. This really was a historic statistical year in my opinion. Its one of the most impressive overall lines I could remember.

phanman · Post #79 » by **phanman** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:33 pm

Congrats to SGA. 68 wins is just too hard to overlook, especially with them continuing to win early when both IHart and Chet were out. His numbers and impact were more than deserving.

With that said, what Jokic averaged this season is absolutely disgusting... I don't think it's a reach to say what he did this season will go down as the most impressive individual offensive season in NBA history:
- A +20.1 in ORTG when on
- 29.6pts on 66.3%TS (58/42/80)
- 10.2ast vs 3.3to
- He took his only weakness offensively in 3pt shooting and increased it by 5.8% while increasing his 3PA by 1.8

Special_Puppy · Post #80 » by **Special_Puppy** » Wed May 21, 2025 9:34 pm

FrodoFraggins wrote:So I was curious if the NBA had something similar to the baseball Wins Above Replacement(WAR) stat and it doesn't, but it does have win shares. I don't hear it mentioned much so I'm not sure how useful it is but Shai had the best combined win share at 16.7 with Jokic second at 16.4. The next closest was Zubac at 11.7.

Team records are very much a team stat so there are some issues with making that a key criteria. I personally don't think Shai was more valuable to his team than Jokic was to his. OKC has a much better supporting roster. Jokic's win share as a percentage of his team wins is much higher that Shai's as a percentage of his.

FWIW
https://hoopshype.com/lists/advanced-stats-nba-real-plus-minus-rapm-win-shares-analytics/