Giannis Thread - 13th Season with the Bucks

[Ripster72]

Just a theory, but if Giannis wanted Doc fired and told Horst that this week, I’d also suspect they would wait a few weeks to fire Doc so it doesn’t look like Giannis is a coach killer.

[Finn]

Wow this is a great point too. What if he's ultimately remembered as a Maverick or whatever?

Like Ray Allen the Celtic.

That's not the same. If Giannis won multiple rings with another franchise, it would probably make him more universally revered. He has given us 12 seasons and everything personal or team wise that the game could give. Allen, uniquely, had equivalent levels of success in all 4 places. Some younger fans may only know about him from his Miami days...

Certainly not the exact same thing. But if the media pumps footage of his other championships into his career highlight reel (and they definitely would), then it's likely most people would begin to associate him with that team over time.

Also not the exact same thing, but do people regard KAJ as a Buck or a Laker? Do people even remember he played in Milwaukee?

And in this era with even shorter memories and attention spans?

I can't be the only one here who doesn't give a **** what anyone else thinks regarding Giannis (or anything else for that matter).

I'll remember his time with the Bucks, couldn't care less if no one else does.

[Ryan5UW]

I've seen nothing credible either. Lots of random social media b.s. where everyone has a "source".

Well there was the journals article that said he allready told them he doesn't want a trade

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When did Jim O say this? That should have gotten more coverage than Shams “league sources” BS.

Jim did say this on Reddit yesterday:

Not sure why anyone would think he would request a trade/not be back.
There has never been reporting of a conversation and/or desire about him requesting a trade, ever, and despite the misreading of the half baked ESPN thing the day of the lottery, there was never an inclination he would ask for a trade.

[MickeyDavis]

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[th87]

That's not the same. If Giannis won multiple rings with another franchise, it would probably make him more universally revered. He has given us 12 seasons and everything personal or team wise that the game could give. Allen, uniquely, had equivalent levels of success in all 4 places. Some younger fans may only know about him from his Miami days...

Certainly not the exact same thing. But if the media pumps footage of his other championships into his career highlight reel (and they definitely would), then it's likely most people would begin to associate him with that team over time.

Also not the exact same thing, but do people regard KAJ as a Buck or a Laker? Do people even remember he played in Milwaukee?

And in this era with even shorter memories and attention spans?

I can't be the only one here who doesn't give a **** what anyone else thinks regarding Giannis (or anything else for that matter).

I'll remember his time with the Bucks, couldn't care less if no one else does.

You're probably not the only one. But I'm not as enlightened as you.

I don't want Indiana to win because I don't want Haliburton's insufferable behavior rewarded. I don't like the Vikings because their fans are smug (somehow). It brought me great pleasure to see Boston lose because of all the Massholes I've encountered throughout life. The Cubs breaking their curse sucked because they look down on us.

In sports, I'm as petty as it gets. And so yeah, it will annoy me to no end if some large market tries to claim our superstar - the guy who made NBA basketball relevant in Milwaukee, who brought the entire community together in civic pride, who helped the world know that there exists a city called Milwaukee, and they were at the apex of the basketball world.

I don't want Silver and coastal jerks who look down on us to take that from us. Especially to chase the chance to be mediocre a few years from now.

I can't be the only one to feel this way.

[RRyder823]

Certainly not the exact same thing. But if the media pumps footage of his other championships into his career highlight reel (and they definitely would), then it's likely most people would begin to associate him with that team over time.

Also not the exact same thing, but do people regard KAJ as a Buck or a Laker? Do people even remember he played in Milwaukee?

And in this era with even shorter memories and attention spans?

I can't be the only one here who doesn't give a **** what anyone else thinks regarding Giannis (or anything else for that matter).

I'll remember his time with the Bucks, couldn't care less if no one else does.

You're probably not the only one. But I'm not as enlightened as you.

I don't want Indiana to win because I don't want Haliburton's insufferable behavior rewarded. I don't like the Vikings because their fans are smug (somehow). It brought me great pleasure to see Boston lose because of all the Massholes I've encountered throughout life. The Cubs breaking their curse sucked because they look down on us.

In sports, I'm as petty as it gets. And so yeah, it will annoy me to no end if some large market tries to claim our superstar - the guy who made NBA basketball relevant in Milwaukee, who brought the entire community together in civic pride, who helped the world know that there exists a city called Milwaukee, and they were at the apex of the basketball world.

I don't want Silver and coastal jerks who look down on us to take that from us. Especially to chase the chance to be mediocre a few years from now.

I can't be the only one to feel this way.

Nope. Im with you on this. Maybe if the Bucks had controll of their own picks i could be sold on a trade to rebuild but they don't and won't for a while.

Unless Giannis forces their hand im rolling with the one thing keeping me invested in the league right now. And that's Giannis on the Bucks.

It's allready been annoying having media outlets trying to ship Giannis every 6 months for the last 7 years. **** if im willingly signing up for them to try and act like his time in Milwaukee never happened or a waste

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[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Certainly not the exact same thing. But if the media pumps footage of his other championships into his career highlight reel (and they definitely would), then it's likely most people would begin to associate him with that team over time.

Also not the exact same thing, but do people regard KAJ as a Buck or a Laker? Do people even remember he played in Milwaukee?

And in this era with even shorter memories and attention spans?

I can't be the only one here who doesn't give a **** what anyone else thinks regarding Giannis (or anything else for that matter).

I'll remember his time with the Bucks, couldn't care less if no one else does.

You're probably not the only one. But I'm not as enlightened as you.

I don't want Indiana to win because I don't want Haliburton's insufferable behavior rewarded. I don't like the Vikings because their fans are smug (somehow). It brought me great pleasure to see Boston lose because of all the Massholes I've encountered throughout life. The Cubs breaking their curse sucked because they look down on us.

In sports, I'm as petty as it gets. And so yeah, it will annoy me to no end if some large market tries to claim our superstar - the guy who made NBA basketball relevant in Milwaukee, who brought the entire community together in civic pride, who helped the world know that there exists a city called Milwaukee, and they were at the apex of the basketball world.

I don't want Silver and coastal jerks who look down on us to take that from us. Especially to chase the chance to be mediocre a few years from now.

I can't be the only one to feel this way.

KAJ 2.0 would suuuuuck. We still need what to do whats best for the franchise if were in no mans land tho. Him staying and us being in nonstop limbo playing .500 ball would suuuck just as bad maybe worse.

[ReasonablySober]

I can't be the only one here who doesn't give a **** what anyone else thinks regarding Giannis (or anything else for that matter).

I'll remember his time with the Bucks, couldn't care less if no one else does.

You're probably not the only one. But I'm not as enlightened as you.

I don't want Indiana to win because I don't want Haliburton's insufferable behavior rewarded. I don't like the Vikings because their fans are smug (somehow). It brought me great pleasure to see Boston lose because of all the Massholes I've encountered throughout life. The Cubs breaking their curse sucked because they look down on us.

In sports, I'm as petty as it gets. And so yeah, it will annoy me to no end if some large market tries to claim our superstar - the guy who made NBA basketball relevant in Milwaukee, who brought the entire community together in civic pride, who helped the world know that there exists a city called Milwaukee, and they were at the apex of the basketball world.

I don't want Silver and coastal jerks who look down on us to take that from us. Especially to chase the chance to be mediocre a few years from now.

I can't be the only one to feel this way.

Nope. Im with you on this. Maybe if the Bucks had controll of their own picks i could be sold on a trade to rebuild but they don't and won't for a while.

Unless Giannis forces their hand im rolling with the one thing keeping me invested in the league right now. And that's Giannis on the Bucks.

It's allready been annoying having media outlets trying to ship Giannis every 6 months for the last 7 years. **** if im willingly signing up for them to try and act like his time in Milwaukee never happened or a waste

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Does anyone act like LeBron in Cleveland didn't happen? Or do they consider his title in '16 the crowning achievement in his career?

(it's the latter)

[RRyder823]

You're probably not the only one. But I'm not as enlightened as you.

I don't want Indiana to win because I don't want Haliburton's insufferable behavior rewarded. I don't like the Vikings because their fans are smug (somehow). It brought me great pleasure to see Boston lose because of all the Massholes I've encountered throughout life. The Cubs breaking their curse sucked because they look down on us.

In sports, I'm as petty as it gets. And so yeah, it will annoy me to no end if some large market tries to claim our superstar - the guy who made NBA basketball relevant in Milwaukee, who brought the entire community together in civic pride, who helped the world know that there exists a city called Milwaukee, and they were at the apex of the basketball world.

I don't want Silver and coastal jerks who look down on us to take that from us. Especially to chase the chance to be mediocre a few years from now.

I can't be the only one to feel this way.

Nope. Im with you on this. Maybe if the Bucks had controll of their own picks i could be sold on a trade to rebuild but they don't and won't for a while.

Unless Giannis forces their hand im rolling with the one thing keeping me invested in the league right now. And that's Giannis on the Bucks.

It's allready been annoying having media outlets trying to ship Giannis every 6 months for the last 7 years. **** if im willingly signing up for them to try and act like his time in Milwaukee never happened or a waste

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Does anyone act like LeBron in Cleveland didn't happen? Or do they consider his title in '16 the crowning achievement in his career?

(it's the latter)

Sure if the Bucks had beaten a 73 win team in the finals after comming back from 3-1 down in the finals after the feel good story of him returning to the team that drafted him, and his home state, with unfinished business no i don't think a Bucks tenure would be quickly written off

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[ReasonablySober]

I really think you guys need to care less about The Media. Giannis isn't the kind of player who's gonna let The Media push him out of Milwaukee, and if you don't like what they say, you can just not pay attention. It's super easy.

[mediocrityrules]

Just a theory, but if Giannis wanted Doc fired and told Horst that this week, I’d also suspect they would wait a few weeks to fire Doc so it doesn’t look like Giannis is a coach killer.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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7 first teams. One of 16 players to do that. 2 more puts him in big o, bird, magic territory.

[Prez]

Not just 7 first team all-NBAs in total so far but 7 straight. Only other dudes to do that: Magic, Bird, MJ, LeBron, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, and Malone.

[Balls2TheWalls]

I don't care how much trading him could restart a rebuild. I want him in Milwaukee until he retires. His presence is more than having the best player in the league on a team. It is a sign that great players can stay loyal to small markets, and that players don't need to change markets to have global impact. You can move anyone on the team, except Giannis. He is the best player in the history of our franchise and he took our franchise to the promised land.

[th87]

I don't care how much trading him could restart a rebuild. I want him in Milwaukee until he retires. His presence is more than having the best player in the league on a team. It is a sign that great players can stay loyal to small markets, and that players don't need to change markets to have global impact. You can move anyone on the team, except Giannis. He is the best player in the history of our franchise and he took our franchise to the promised land.

Exactly.

And to me, he is culturally important and has a chance to affect the zeitgeist in a completely different way than we've seen.

We absolutely cannot treat him simply as a basketball asset. Stepping back to appreciate this: we've suffered for so long and were bestowed a gift - it's basically a miracle that a 15th pick flyer in a bad draft somehow entered the GOAT conversation *and* delivered us a title, while proclaiming that "My city's a champion."

To throw that back would be a total affront to whatever led him here.

A lot of people here are seeing him as just a basketball player, but he's almost a symbol (and the world could use some good ones), a cultural touchstone for Milwaukee, and for a kind of cosmic fortune/justice (if you will) that the Bucks have never experienced, and may never again. Greek mythology almost.

Even if it made sense strategically to trade him (and I don't think it does), it'd be like rejecting the miracle that made us relevant in a league that doesn't want us to be. So in a way, it's an act of defiance also. Trading him makes Silver win. So f that ****.

I just wish I could convey this effectively without sounding like a crazy person.

[VooDoo7]

I just wish I could convey this effectively without sounding like a crazy person.

I think you did quite well.

[Packbuckman]

I don't care how much trading him could restart a rebuild. I want him in Milwaukee until he retires. His presence is more than having the best player in the league on a team. It is a sign that great players can stay loyal to small markets, and that players don't need to change markets to have global impact. You can move anyone on the team, except Giannis. He is the best player in the history of our franchise and he took our franchise to the promised land.

Exactly.

And to me, he is culturally important and has a chance to affect the zeitgeist in a completely different way than we've seen.

We absolutely cannot treat him simply as a basketball asset. Stepping back to appreciate this: we've suffered for so long and were bestowed a gift - it's basically a miracle that a 15th pick flyer in a bad draft somehow entered the GOAT conversation *and* delivered us a title, while proclaiming that "My city's a champion."

To throw that back would be a total affront to whatever led him here.

A lot of people here are seeing him as just a basketball player, but he's almost a symbol (and the world could use some good ones), a cultural touchstone for Milwaukee, and for a kind of cosmic fortune/justice (if you will) that the Bucks have never experienced, and may never again. Greek mythology almost.

Even if it made sense strategically to trade him (and I don't think it does), it'd be like rejecting the miracle that made us relevant in a league that doesn't want us to be. So in a way, it's an act of defiance also. Trading him makes Silver win. So f that ****.

I just wish I could convey this effectively without sounding like a crazy person.

This is exactly how I feel Giannis should retire as a Buck retool with younger players that can shoot the dam ball and Horst stop making dumbass trades that include our 1st rd picks aka AJ Johnson for kuzma.

[paulpressey25]

In 2015 Steph and Klay changed the league with the three point shot.

Ten years later we’re entering a new era of speed and athleticism.

Jon Horst has shown no ability to find and identify such players. This is our biggest problem right now. Much bigger than Doc.

[Bernman]

In 2015 Steph and Klay changed the league with the three point shot.

Ten years later we’re entering a new era of speed and athleticism.

Jon Horst has shown no ability to find and identify such players. This is our biggest problem right now. Much bigger than Doc.

Horst just drafted the fastest player who had positional size & a shooting foundation. Was seemingly compelled to trade him by Doc. So I'd say Doc's the bigger problem for that & not deploying his better acquisitions. But definitely Horst still needs to get better in trade value & drafting.

[raferfenix]

Jim did say this on Reddit yesterday:

Not sure why anyone would think he would request a trade/not be back.
There has never been reporting of a conversation and/or desire about him requesting a trade, ever, and despite the misreading of the half baked ESPN thing the day of the lottery, there was never an inclination he would ask for a trade.

All caveats aside it’s way better to have Jim O reporting this than not.