Next Offseason

[xdrta+]

the cleanest way to get cam is Moody + Buddy (plus at least 1 pick, I'd guess). Or we could keep Buddy and match Moody with Podz, TJD, Gui, and Spencer aka the santa cruz poo poo platter. Depending on how high the nets are on Podz, maybe we even get a pick swap back?

If JK signed for $20M, the W's could add Moody and cover Johnson's salary.

[Senchu]

KP fit wise makes tons of sense, but we all know that team would be paper tiger only.

We would have too many threads then with “What if they were all healthy, could they win chip”

[vvoland]

the cleanest way to get cam is Moody + Buddy (plus at least 1 pick, I'd guess). Or we could keep Buddy and match Moody with Podz, TJD, Gui, and Spencer aka the santa cruz poo poo platter. Depending on how high the nets are on Podz, maybe we even get a pick swap back?

If JK signed for $20M, the W's could add Moody and cover Johnson's salary.

Wait, so we can aggregate a S&T'ed JK with other players? Why was I under the impression that in a S&T, we can't add more contracts?

[xdrta+]

the cleanest way to get cam is Moody + Buddy (plus at least 1 pick, I'd guess). Or we could keep Buddy and match Moody with Podz, TJD, Gui, and Spencer aka the santa cruz poo poo platter. Depending on how high the nets are on Podz, maybe we even get a pick swap back?

If JK signed for $20M, the W's could add Moody and cover Johnson's salary.

Wait, so we can aggregate a S&T'ed JK with other players? Why was I under the impression that in a S&T, we can't add more contracts?

Could be thinking of a previous trade exception, where contracts can't be aggregated. Aggregating contracts, whether S&T or otherwise, would hard cap them at the 2nd Apron, though.

[vvoland]

If JK signed for $20M, the W's could add Moody and cover Johnson's salary.

Wait, so we can aggregate a S&T'ed JK with other players? Why was I under the impression that in a S&T, we can't add more contracts?

Could be thinking of a previous trade exception, where contracts can't be aggregated. Aggregating contracts, whether S&T or otherwise, would hard cap them at the 2nd Apron, though.

I was so certain that we couldn't aggregate JK in a S&T I started getting upset with all radio hosts doing it the last few days. Didn't realize they were kinda right (still taking the full value of the contract in trade scenarios but, hey, at least they're 50% right).

In other words, if we have JK at $25M in year one, we will have his 12.5 (or 12.5+7.5) to trade. That does give us more options that I thought we had.

JK - 12.5
Moody - 11.6
Buddy - 9.2
Podz - 3.7
TJD - 2.2
Gui - 2.2
Post - 1.9

That gives us 43M to match salary without touching Dray/Jimmy/Steph or ~50M if we can stay under the 1st apron (impossible, so let's just call it 43). Sure, we'd be sending out 7 players so we'd have to take back ~2M less for every player we have to sign after the trade but it's still about 10M more than i thought we had to match.

Thanks for clarifying and always being available for questions like this. If you don't mind, i have one more. If JK leaves GS on a 1 year prove it deal (likely a 1 + player option or something), what's the most his new team will be able to pay him? Would it be like our issues with DDV where we don't get bird right and can only give him a ~25% raise? Meaning, if he stays with GS on the QO, he'd still be eligible for the 5/220 supermax that rookies can get. With a new team, i think it would be much lower. And that would be whether he signs a contract as an RFA or is traded this season while on his QO?

[xdrta+]

Thanks for clarifying and always being available for questions like this. If you don't mind, i have one more. If JK leaves GS on a 1 year prove it deal (likely a 1 + player option or something), what's the most his new team will be able to pay him? Would it be like our issues with DDV where we don't get bird right and can only give him a ~25% raise? Meaning, if he stays with GS on the QO, he'd still be eligible for the 5/220 supermax that rookies can get. With a new team, i think it would be much lower. And that would be whether he signs a contract as an RFA or is traded this season while on his QO?

Sorry, I never saw this post. Guess I'm not always that available. We signed DDV as a UFA which made him a non-Bird FA after one year, so as you said, we were limited how much we could offer the second year (120%.)

If JK receives an offer sheet as an RFA, it would have to be for at least two years, excluding options, for whatever a team could fit under the cap or into an exception. That's why it's thought that only Brooklyn could make him a big offer and why an S&T is thought to be the most likely outcome.

If he accepts the QO, he becomes a UFA at the end of the season. Any team can sign him for whatever they can afford, though the Warriors could offer him the most since they would hold his Bird rights (he's not eligible for supermax.) He can also veto any trade, and, in this situation, if he allows a trade his Bird rights reset, so the team he goes to would be in the same boat we were with DDV, they'd be limited as to what they could offer.

If I misunderstood any questions I'll try again.

[Jester_]

seems like we're potentially in the mix to get MPJ? denver wants to dump his contract, we could potentially swing a kuminga s&t for him?

he'd be a big get.

[wco81]

Thanks for clarifying and always being available for questions like this. If you don't mind, i have one more. If JK leaves GS on a 1 year prove it deal (likely a 1 + player option or something), what's the most his new team will be able to pay him? Would it be like our issues with DDV where we don't get bird right and can only give him a ~25% raise? Meaning, if he stays with GS on the QO, he'd still be eligible for the 5/220 supermax that rookies can get. With a new team, i think it would be much lower. And that would be whether he signs a contract as an RFA or is traded this season while on his QO?

Sorry, I never saw this post. Guess I'm not always that available. We signed DDV as a UFA which made him a non-Bird FA after one year, so as you said, we were limited how much we could offer the second year (120%.)

If JK receives an offer sheet as an RFA, it would have to be for at least two years, excluding options, for whatever a team could fit under the cap or into an exception. That's why it's thought that only Brooklyn could make him a big offer and why an S&T is thought to be the most likely outcome.

If he accepts the QO, he becomes a UFA at the end of the season. Any team can sign him for whatever they can afford, though the Warriors could offer him the most since they would hold his Bird rights (he's not eligible for supermax.) He can also veto any trade, and, in this situation, if he allows a trade his Bird rights reset, so the team he goes to would be in the same boat we were with DDV, they'd be limited as to what they could offer.

If I misunderstood any questions I'll try again.

There are a lot of players who will be looking for bigger contracts, like Naz Reid, probably Randle as well. So other 3/4s looking for big paydays.

I wonder if that will keep JK's market down. He's younger than Reid or Randle so some teams may prefer him, even though those players have done more in their careers.


Oh and MPJ, not sure about him. He had a pretty good regular season but a poor postseason, though he was injured.

But a huge contract and is he anything more than a catch and shoot guy? He's 26 now, he doesn't seem to attack closeouts, though he's tougher to contest because of his length.

[Jester_]

Thanks for clarifying and always being available for questions like this. If you don't mind, i have one more. If JK leaves GS on a 1 year prove it deal (likely a 1 + player option or something), what's the most his new team will be able to pay him? Would it be like our issues with DDV where we don't get bird right and can only give him a ~25% raise? Meaning, if he stays with GS on the QO, he'd still be eligible for the 5/220 supermax that rookies can get. With a new team, i think it would be much lower. And that would be whether he signs a contract as an RFA or is traded this season while on his QO?

Sorry, I never saw this post. Guess I'm not always that available. We signed DDV as a UFA which made him a non-Bird FA after one year, so as you said, we were limited how much we could offer the second year (120%.)

If JK receives an offer sheet as an RFA, it would have to be for at least two years, excluding options, for whatever a team could fit under the cap or into an exception. That's why it's thought that only Brooklyn could make him a big offer and why an S&T is thought to be the most likely outcome.

If he accepts the QO, he becomes a UFA at the end of the season. Any team can sign him for whatever they can afford, though the Warriors could offer him the most since they would hold his Bird rights (he's not eligible for supermax.) He can also veto any trade, and, in this situation, if he allows a trade his Bird rights reset, so the team he goes to would be in the same boat we were with DDV, they'd be limited as to what they could offer.

If I misunderstood any questions I'll try again.

There are a lot of players who will be looking for bigger contracts, like Naz Reid, probably Randle as well. So other 3/4s looking for big paydays.

I wonder if that will keep JK's market down. He's younger than Reid or Randle so some teams may prefer him, even though those players have done more in their careers.


Oh and MPJ, not sure about him. He had a pretty good regular season but a poor postseason, though he was injured.

But a huge contract and is he anything more than a catch and shoot guy? He's 26 now, he doesn't seem to attack closeouts, though he's tougher to contest because of his length.

his contract is an issue, but that's the only thing that makes him potentially gettable for us (especially if we're basically replacing Kuminga for him)

his defense is a big concern, but adding a consistent 40% 3 point shooter to our roster would be big. he's also capable of making his own shot, which was our biggest issue with Steph hurt... outside of Jimmy and occasionally Kuminga there's nobody on our roster who can reliable create offense

his contract timing kinda lines up with our jimmy/steph window, so if we can get him while basically only giving up kuminga I think it's a good deal.

[kuly1990]

What about Mario Hezonja?

[superunknown]

seems like we're potentially in the mix to get MPJ? denver wants to dump his contract, we could potentially swing a kuminga s&t for him?

he'd be a big get.

how can they land MPJ? I mean, with which salary matching and offer?

[xdrta+]

seems like we're potentially in the mix to get MPJ? denver wants to dump his contract, we could potentially swing a kuminga s&t for him?

he'd be a big get.

how can they land MPJ? I mean, with which salary matching and offer?

It wouldn't be simple. He makes $38M, so unless Draymond is included it would have to start with a Kuminga S&T, but since Denver is an Apron team they can't receive a player in an S&T. Unless something changes on Denver's end, Kuminga would have to be sent somewhere else and there would be multiple teams and players involved. Nothing simple.

[superunknown]

seems like we're potentially in the mix to get MPJ? denver wants to dump his contract, we could potentially swing a kuminga s&t for him?

he'd be a big get.

how can they land MPJ? I mean, with which salary matching and offer?

It wouldn't be simple. He makes $38M, so unless Draymond is included it would have to start with a Kuminga S&T, but since Denver is an Apron team they can't receive a player in an S&T. Unless something changes on Denver's end, Kuminga would have to be sent somewhere else and there would be multiple teams and players involved. Nothing simple.

thanks for the clarification.

[Senchu]

seems like we're potentially in the mix to get MPJ? denver wants to dump his contract, we could potentially swing a kuminga s&t for him?

he'd be a big get.

how can they land MPJ? I mean, with which salary matching and offer?

It wouldn't be simple. He makes $38M, so unless Draymond is included it would have to start with a Kuminga S&T, but since Denver is an Apron team they can't receive a player in an S&T. Unless something changes on Denver's end, Kuminga would have to be sent somewhere else and there would be multiple teams and players involved. Nothing simple.

Can SnT be included in 3 team deals in new cap?

[xdrta+]

how can they land MPJ? I mean, with which salary matching and offer?

It wouldn't be simple. He makes $38M, so unless Draymond is included it would have to start with a Kuminga S&T, but since Denver is an Apron team they can't receive a player in an S&T. Unless something changes on Denver's end, Kuminga would have to be sent somewhere else and there would be multiple teams and players involved. Nothing simple.

Can SnT be included in 3 team deals in new cap?

Sure, the Klay S&T last year involved 6 teams.

[belgian fan]

seems like we're potentially in the mix to get MPJ? denver wants to dump his contract, we could potentially swing a kuminga s&t for him?

he'd be a big get.

I watched a lot of games of Denver this year and I think there is a reason they want to sell him.
Many people say he does not defend, does not have good mentality and he brick a lot (you're surprised when the ball goes in).

You seem to know BETTER this game than I so I wonder why you seem it is a good idea or why we would want to do this. In my opinion, that would be horrible. Please no...

[statsman]

Can SnT be included in 3 team deals in new cap?

Sure, the Klay S&T last year involved 6 teams.

Yep. That same 6-team trade also included a S&T of Hield from the Sixers to the Warriors, and a S&T of Kyle Anderson from the Twolves to the Warriors.

[Onus]

Anyone think John Collins could play center? Curry/Podz or Moody/Jimmy/Dray/Collins lineup? He really just needs to be able to stand up centers and then have the help fly around him. Not sure Jimmy and Dray would hold up for 82 flying around. Damn Jimmy and Dray are going to be difficult to build around. Like what type of center can they actually play with? Wemby, maybe Brook Lopez, KP if he was ever healthy, KAT, Naz Reid, JJJ, Horford and Post. Are there any others?

[vvoland]

Anyone think John Collins could play center? Curry/Podz or Moody/Jimmy/Dray/Collins lineup? He really just needs to be able to stand up centers and then have the help fly around him. Not sure Jimmy and Dray would hold up for 82 flying around. Damn Jimmy and Dray are going to be difficult to build around. Like what type of center can they actually play with? Wemby, maybe Brook Lopez, KP if he was ever healthy, KAT, Naz Reid, JJJ, Horford and Post. Are there any others?

You're essentially saying we need a stretch 5. I agree.

I've been thinking about john collins. I wonder if he gets frozen out in FA and can come here on a 1yr deal? I wouldn't trade assets for him in a S&T but would be curious to bring him in on the cheap.

I don't think Jimmy and Dray are that tough to build around. Lots of teams need a stretch 5; that's why they're hard to find. I would also bet that Jimmy comes back next year and shoots a decent % from 3 on reasonable volume (i'll guess 38% on 4 attempts per game). People forget how good we were defensively without training camp, much practice, or a roster tailored around Jimmy/Steph/Dray. Even if we don't make any major moves, this team should be much better than they were post Jimmy trade. and they were a top 3 team in the league those last 30+ games.