Dallas Mavericks 2025 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap -- 1st page updated on July 1st

[Heezzi]

Nico is not a bonehead. The deal was in collusion to help NBA's most popular team. I don't think it's pure coincidence that Dallas got the 1st pick. It is my belief that it was part of the deal to send Luka to LA.

New Orleans sent AD to LA before then they also got Zion in return. It's not a coincidence.

So you didn't watch the actual draft, huh?

Btw, the number one pick was the Mavs pick not the Lakers.

[Archx]

They already had Grimes now they'll have to get creative. Yeah, i sure trust Nico to do something good

Man.. Mavs had such a deep team before Nico happened, holy **** what kind of a disaster was that trade deadline?!?! They had all the right pieces already in place.

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In fairness to Nico, didn't they offer Grimes a deal? He turned it down. He was trying to get his big pay day. I do not blame him. I think it was probably a good move to get off him while you could still retain some value for him. Aside from the Luka move, (which i would say most people dont believe was his decision) what move has Nico made that you really have an issue with?

You seriously don't know what Nico did wrong??? Should we start with the Brunson debacle?

How about trading KP suddenly without properly exploring the market during free agency and paying a draft pick on top of it.... The return: Dinwiddie and Bertans. (Though Dinwiddie later became 3rd best option during WCF run, that was still a dumb trade).

Notice the pattern that already evolved in his first trade and continued over the next few?

Signed Grant Williams and then paid draft picks to get rid of him mid season by pure luck got PJ back. Which was advised by Dennis Lindsey.

Out of all players in the market, he wanted the most ridiculous one in Kuzma but luckily stumbled into Gafford with extra help from OKC who was over loaded with draft picks. Dennis Lindsey was still in the office.

Dennis Lindsey leaves for Detroit (creates a playoff team)

Now with Nico flying solo. Moving Luka and destroying a potential finals team. Starts sending out dumbass comments to the media and further angers entire Mavs fanbase and even other fans from around the league.

Grimes becomes unhappy asks his agent to get traded and Nico panics. Grabs the first offer he gets and (initially) pays yet another draft pick to get rid of Grimes. Grimes then goes to the media and starts defending Luka and further exposes what kind of fraud Nico is.

I won't even mention other behind the scenes front office stuff with medical teams, etc....

Nico is a like a disease that spread across this organization and i can't believe some people still think he did nothing wrong. Him and his buddy CEO Waltz should be gone 3 months ago and that would have been already too late.

The only good moves i do give him credit for is the Lively/OMax draft. Though again, not sure if that was him or how much of it was Lindsey.

[Mavrelous]

They already had Grimes now they'll have to get creative. Yeah, i sure trust Nico to do something good

Man.. Mavs had such a deep team before Nico happened, holy **** what kind of a disaster was that trade deadline?!?! They had all the right pieces already in place.

Read on Twitter

In fairness to Nico, didn't they offer Grimes a deal? He turned it down. He was trying to get his big pay day. I do not blame him. I think it was probably a good move to get off him while you could still retain some value for him. Aside from the Luka move, (which i would say most people dont believe was his decision) what move has Nico made that you really have an issue with?

You seriously don't know what Nico did wrong??? Should we start with the Brunson debacle?

How about trading KP suddenly without properly exploring the market during free agency and paying a draft pick on top of it.... The return: Dinwiddie and Bertans. (Though Dinwiddie later became 3rd best option during WCF run, that was still a dumb trade).

Notice the pattern that already evolved in his first trade and continued over the next few?

Signed Grant Williams and then paid draft picks to get rid of him mid season by pure luck got PJ back. Which was advised by Dennis Lindsey.

Out of all players in the market, he wanted the most ridiculous one in Kuzma but luckily stumbled into Gafford with extra help from OKC who was over loaded with draft picks. Dennis Lindsey was still in the office.

Dennis Lindsey leaves for Detroit (creates a playoff team)

Now with Nico flying solo. Moving Luka and destroying a potential finals team. Starts sending out dumbass comments to the media and further angers entire Mavs fanbase and even other fans from around the league.

Grimes becomes unhappy asks his agent to get traded and Nico panics. Grabs the first offer he gets and (initially) pays yet another draft pick to get rid of Grimes. Grimes then goes to the media and starts defending Luka and further exposes what kind of fraud Nico is.

I won't even mention other behind the scenes front office stuff with medical teams, etc....

Nico is a like disease that spread across this organization and i can't believe some people still think he did nothing wrong. Him and his buddy CEO Waltz should be gone 3 months ago and that would have been already too late.

The only good moves i do give him credit for is the Lively/OMax draft. Though again, not sure if that was him or how much of it was Lindsey.

According to MacMahon (from the book), Mavs shopped KP hard, but teams wanted a 1st to take him.

[Archx]

Yeah KP was constantly injured but still the premise and belief was, at that time, that Mavs should wait until at least playoffs are done and play with a big guy instead of Powell then explore the market. And if KP at least stays healthy, plays good, his value would be higher than it was. A lot of people thought that would be the case, hence the surprise when it happened at the trade deadline.

But trading him for Dinwiddie and Bertans was a wrong move because Bertans had almost no value and had a long contract. Wizards fans were insanely happy that they got rid of him.

[daoneandonly]

They already had Grimes now they'll have to get creative. Yeah, i sure trust Nico to do something good

Man.. Mavs had such a deep team before Nico happened, holy **** what kind of a disaster was that trade deadline?!?! They had all the right pieces already in place.

Read on Twitter

In fairness to Nico, didn't they offer Grimes a deal? He turned it down. He was trying to get his big pay day. I do not blame him. I think it was probably a good move to get off him while you could still retain some value for him. Aside from the Luka move, (which i would say most people dont believe was his decision) what move has Nico made that you really have an issue with?

Seriously?

How about trading KP for Dinwiddie and a bum named Bertans, yet being the team to give up a 2nd round pick

Or

Trading an unprotected pick swap for Grant Williams

Then

Instead of trading Josh Green, having to trade a top 2 protected pick to turn Grant Williams into PJ

Not to mention, giving Green an extension he didn't deserve and trading for Caleb Martin

The better question is, what good has Nico done?

[daoneandonly]

Signing Javale McGee and guaranteeing him a starting role

[Archx]

Signing Javale McGee and guaranteeing him a starting role

Lmao forgot about that one.

Signs a 34-year-old center to a three-year contract and guarantees him a starting spot. He lost his starting spot midway season and Mavs are still paying his contract to this day.

[daoneandonly]

Signing Javale McGee and guaranteeing him a starting role

Lmao forgot about that one.

Signs a 34-year-old center to a three-year contract and guarantees him a starting spot. He lost his starting spot midway season and Mavs are still paying his contract to this day.

It's one of the many Nico Nuggets we'd all like to block out.

FIre Nico
Trade AD

[arkuo]

Nico is not a bonehead. The deal was in collusion to help NBA's most popular team. I don't think it's pure coincidence that Dallas got the 1st pick. It is my belief that it was part of the deal to send Luka to LA.

New Orleans sent AD to LA before then they also got Zion in return. It's not a coincidence.

So you didn't watch the actual draft, huh?

Btw, the number one pick was the Mavs pick not the Lakers.

If it wasn't rigged then Nico was just really really really lucky. Like extremely lucky.

Look, I have nothing against Adam Silver. If he wants to collude with Nico again, Dallas can send AD to Boston for the most lopsided deal possible and we'll take one of the Boozer twins with another number 1 pick next year. AD for KP!

[joesha1698]

They already had Grimes now they'll have to get creative. Yeah, i sure trust Nico to do something good

Man.. Mavs had such a deep team before Nico happened, holy **** what kind of a disaster was that trade deadline?!?! They had all the right pieces already in place.

Read on Twitter

In fairness to Nico, didn't they offer Grimes a deal? He turned it down. He was trying to get his big pay day. I do not blame him. I think it was probably a good move to get off him while you could still retain some value for him. Aside from the Luka move, (which i would say most people dont believe was his decision) what move has Nico made that you really have an issue with?

You seriously don't know what Nico did wrong??? Should we start with the Brunson debacle?

How about trading KP suddenly without properly exploring the market during free agency and paying a draft pick on top of it.... The return: Dinwiddie and Bertans. (Though Dinwiddie later became 3rd best option during WCF run, that was still a dumb trade).

Notice the pattern that already evolved in his first trade and continued over the next few?

Signed Grant Williams and then paid draft picks to get rid of him mid season by pure luck got PJ back. Which was advised by Dennis Lindsey.

Out of all players in the market, he wanted the most ridiculous one in Kuzma but luckily stumbled into Gafford with extra help from OKC who was over loaded with draft picks. Dennis Lindsey was still in the office.

Dennis Lindsey leaves for Detroit (creates a playoff team)

Now with Nico flying solo. Moving Luka and destroying a potential finals team. Starts sending out dumbass comments to the media and further angers entire Mavs fanbase and even other fans from around the league.

Grimes becomes unhappy asks his agent to get traded and Nico panics. Grabs the first offer he gets and (initially) pays yet another draft pick to get rid of Grimes. Grimes then goes to the media and starts defending Luka and further exposes what kind of fraud Nico is.

I won't even mention other behind the scenes front office stuff with medical teams, etc....

Nico is a like a disease that spread across this organization and i can't believe some people still think he did nothing wrong. Him and his buddy CEO Waltz should be gone 3 months ago and that would have been already too late.

The only good moves i do give him credit for is the Lively/OMax draft. Though again, not sure if that was him or how much of it was Lindsey.

Retract much of what I said here because my timelines were wrong. I was under the impression that Nico was working under Lindsey until recently.

[daoneandonly]

What makes Omax a good draft pick?

[ACMFFL]

Well, Lindsey actually joined the Mavs as senior advisor at the start of the 23/24 season. He had nothing to do with the KP and JB fiascoes.

[Mr B]

I’m reading a lot that the Mavs want to resign Kyrie this off season. He has a player option for $43.9M. Am I right in saying that’s his cap hold number?

How much do you think Kyrie is going to ask for? Would $35M per for 3 years be an insult to him?

What would Gafford have to make to consider keeping him?

[Archx]

I’m reading a lot that the Mavs want to resign Kyrie this off season. He has a player option for $43.9M. Am I right in saying that’s his cap hold number?

How much do you think Kyrie is going to ask for? Would $35M per for 3 years be an insult to him?

What would Gafford have to make to consider keeping him?

Correct on Kyrie. When Luka was still with Mavs, the notion was Kyrie and Luka will both sign their max. Now that Kyrie has a bigger injury, speculations are that he will sign a longer contract but less money per year. So that would be a bit more helpful. But again, that is only speculation. No one ever knows what Kyrie will actually do. Mavs are probably going to be bidding against themselves again. And we know Nico likes handing out dumb contracts.

Regarding Gafford. I think it will be somewhere in the range of 15-20M, probably more around 15M (in my opinion). I would be VERY surprised if it is less. Though i also have to point out, a lot of people don't view Gafford as a starter, which could lower his value. But at the end of the day it's a free market....

So, the Kristaps Porziņģis trade, Jalen Brunson trade, signing and moving Grant Williams, and the Kuzma/Gafford moves all happened with Lindsey heavily involved — probably leading the charge. It’s unfair to pin all those on Nico alone.

See the answer from ACMFFL

Now, after Lindsey left, Nico had more autonomy. The Luka Dončić trade happened under Nico’s watch, so that responsibility falls mostly on him (though there may have been other pressures involved...which most sane people believe its was influenced by the owners/nba).

Not long ago it was reported that Dumont was getting more and more frustrated with Nico because he didn't know the impact of the trade. It was even reported that Dumont will hire another GM in advisory role "to help" Nico but in reality to report back to him because Dumont has no clue about basketball. He even had people spying on Doncic because Nico convinced him that he is taking a "vacation" when Nico's medical staff diagnosed wrong his injury.

Regarding Grimes, offering him a deal and him turning it down is normal. It’s speculative to say Nico “panicked” — player trade requests force the front office’s hand a lot. If he doesnt get something for Grimes, he most likely leaves and Dallas doesn't have a replacement piece. Grimes was all about building up his value for a big pay day, thus he was a rental.

If you seriously compete for a ring, sometimes the best outcome is to risk it and let a good role player walk after the season if you can't pay him enough. It happened with Lakers with Ariza when he left after they won a ring. Just as an example.

[joesha1698]

Well, Lindsey actually joined the Mavs as senior advisor at the start of the 23/24 season. He had nothing to do with the KP and JB fiascoes.

I was wrong about my timelines but I still believe these decisions are organization based and start at the top. I'm still not convinced that Nico is bad at his job because i'm equally not convinced that Mark Cuban is the type of guy that gives full anatomy to the people he hires..ala Jerry Jones...after all the last GM/president was fired and claims he was unfairly terminated. (Donnie Nelson)

[joesha1698]

I’m reading a lot that the Mavs want to resign Kyrie this off season. He has a player option for $43.9M. Am I right in saying that’s his cap hold number?

How much do you think Kyrie is going to ask for? Would $35M per for 3 years be an insult to him?

What would Gafford have to make to consider keeping him?

Correct on Kyrie. When Luka was still with Mavs, the notion was Kyrie and Luka will both sign their max. Now that Kyrie has a bigger injury, speculations are that he will sign a longer contract but less money per year. So that would be a bit more helpful. But again, that is only speculation. No one ever knows what Kyrie will actually do. Mavs are probably going to be bidding against themselves again. And we know Nico likes handing out dumb contracts.

Regarding Gafford. I think it will be somewhere in the range of 15-20M, probably more around 15M (in my opinion). I would be VERY surprised if it is less. Though i also have to point out, a lot of people don't view Gafford as a starter, which could lower his value. But at the end of the day it's a free market....

So, the Kristaps Porziņģis trade, Jalen Brunson trade, signing and moving Grant Williams, and the Kuzma/Gafford moves all happened with Lindsey heavily involved — probably leading the charge. It’s unfair to pin all those on Nico alone.

See the answer from ACMFFL

Now, after Lindsey left, Nico had more autonomy. The Luka Dončić trade happened under Nico’s watch, so that responsibility falls mostly on him (though there may have been other pressures involved...which most sane people believe its was influenced by the owners/nba).

Not long ago it was reported that Dumont was getting more and more frustrated with Nico because he didn't know the impact of the trade. It was even reported that Dumont will hire another GM in advisory role "to help" Nico but in reality to report back to him because Dumont has no clue about basketball. He even had people spying on Doncic because Nico convinced him that he is taking a "vacation" when Nico's medical staff diagnosed wrong his injury.

Regarding Grimes, offering him a deal and him turning it down is normal. It’s speculative to say Nico “panicked” — player trade requests force the front office’s hand a lot. If he doesnt get something for Grimes, he most likely leaves and Dallas doesn't have a replacement piece. Grimes was all about building up his value for a big pay day, thus he was a rental.

If you seriously compete for a ring, sometimes the best outcome is to risk it and let a good role player walk after the season if you can't pay him enough. It happened with Lakers with Ariza when he left after they won a ring. Just as an example.

Once they traded Luka, (i believe grimes wanted out) and everything was off the table at that point. If Luka stays, they probably keep Grimes.

As for Dumont, I don't believe anything he says. I believe that he knew exactly who Luka was...he has practically talking to Mark Cuban for years -- about buying this team. This idea that he didn't know who or what Luka was worth is very hard to believe because of his relationship with Mark. I think he's conveniently using Nico as his scapegoat for what he wanted to do anyway, not pay Luka/possibly inside deal with NBA. Now, bringing in a senior advisor allows him to slowly fade Nico out of the picture - while he looks like the good guy and Nico gets the blame.

[daoneandonly]

We can't ignore pictures of Nico and AD paling around. Beyond unprofessional on Nico's part, he's the boss. He has a love affair for AD and threw away his teams best player to get him.

Get rid of both of them

[arkuo]

We can't ignore pictures of Nico and AD paling around. Beyond unprofessional on Nico's part, he's the boss. He has a love affair for AD and threw away his teams best player to get him.

Get rid of both of them

If Kyrie could walk, I'm 100% sure he'd be hanging around with them in LA as well. I'm 100% for trading AD, but let's keep the same energy if Nico hangs around Kyrie as well. So, trade Kyrie too because he hangs around the boss too much?

Kyrie is even older than AD and has less use to Dallas at this point to be honest.

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Kyrie is even older than AD and has less use to Dallas at this point to be honest.

Keep in mind that Kyrie is the only reliable shot-maker/creator left on this team, and in that regard, he's way more valuable than AD. It's also the primary reason why Mavs will be looking for another playmaking guard. AD is a big that can be replaced and wasn't needed at all to begin with...

[arkuo]

Kyrie is even older than AD and has less use to Dallas at this point to be honest.

Keep in mind that Kyrie is the only reliable shot-maker/creator left on this team, and in that regard, he's way more valuable than AD. It's also the primary reason why Mavs will be looking for another playmaking guard. AD is a big that can be replaced and wasn't needed at all to begin with...

The intention is to sell high on Kyrie and AD. These guys aren't getting any younger and Flagg is the future of the team. So either you trade them or try to win with them. With Nico at the helm now, it's close to impossible seeing his guys traded. So I don't see it happening. But of course we can do mock trades and all. With Nico still there, I think the untouchables are Kyrie, AD, Lively and Flagg. Without Nico, everybody's fair game outside of Flagg IMO.

As far as mock trades go, I'd give both Kyrie and AD for Amen Thompson or Cade Cunningham (with salary fillers). That's basically handing Houston a trophy IMO but I like Amen's fit beside Flagg.