Find a Point Guard for Mavericks

[dirkdiggler4177]

A package centred around Coby White for PJ Washington + a 1st round pick or Anfernee Simons/Colin Sexton for Daniel Gafford + a 1st round pick could work. I personally don't view Daniel Gafford as 1st round pick, but more as a 2nd round pick ,unless they're taking on bad salary, which why the Mavericks still need to attach assets to move from Gafford to Sexton or Simons.

What do you mean by that?

[facothomas22]

A package centred around Coby White for PJ Washington + a 1st round pick or Anfernee Simons/Colin Sexton for Daniel Gafford + a 1st round pick could work. I personally don't view Daniel Gafford as 1st round pick, but more as a 2nd round pick ,unless they're taking on bad salary, which why the Mavericks still need to attach assets to move from Gafford to Sexton or Simons.

What do you mean by that?

I don't view Gafford is truly worth a 1st round pick. He's good backup Center, but he wouldn't be starting on most teams, including most lottery teams. He's basically the definition of a good backup Center. He can play very meaningful minutes both in the regular season and the playoffs, but him starting means your Center rotation is going to be worse than average. For me, he's worth useful non overpaid filler + multiple 2nd round picks. Where as someone like Anfernee Simons for example, I would rate him as useful filler on a reasonable contract + a late 1 round pick, while I would rate Coby White useful filler on a reasonable contract + a lottery pick in this years draft.

[mg]

Jrue would obviously fit but realistically don't see this current Mav organization taking on his contract even if it's "just for 3 years." They are paying AD, Irving, Klay, Martin, Christie and will need to pay Lively. Honestly now that they added Flagg I think they will want that PJ contract to fall off the books completely without taking on a much bigger salary in Jrue. This is also the team that just gave away Grimes because they didn't want to pay him.

They will likely add a cheaper guard either thru FA or a trade. Someone like Sexton can likely be had on the cheap from the tanking Jazz. He's on an 18 mil expiring and can easily be trade matched with current salaries on their books. He's also a guy they can move to 6th man after Irving comes back from injury.

[Blame Rasho]

They can draft Dylan Harper…

[ryan in Maine]

Washington, Gafford, Prosper for Jrue

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The Mavericks want to get below the second apron. If that trade were to happen, you would at least have to add some pick. Gafford and Washington are really valuable for the Mavs, in their prime, both being 26-27 years old. Remeber, it was those two guys that made the team suddenly become great and make the finals.

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[Mr B]

Gafford for Reaves would work if the Lakers can't come to terms with him on an extension.

The Lakers aren't trading Reaves unless it's for a Walker Kessler or Jarrett Allen type of center.

Reaves doesn’t have that kind of value outside of LA.

[Black Jack]

As already mentioned some variation of Jrue for PJ and Gafford has been floated around since the Tatum injury, and it makes sense for both teams.

People are over rating how bad the Jrue contract is, it's only 3 years, you know he's still going to be a good shooter and All-Def team defender next year, and will be tradable in year 3 in a bigger package. They have no need for PJ any more, and have been trying to get off of Gaff since before the Luka trade. Jrue plays point when Ky is out, and moves to consummate 3D SG when he comes back. Compete with that roster for 2 years, and if it's not working, you have a 37 mil expirering, and hopefully something else to throw at a starter asking out on a longer deal, or in a 2 for 1.

Lively
AD- Martin
Cooper- Marshall
Jrue- Max- Hardey
Kyrie

Look to trade Klay and Hardy for another piece thats cheaper if you want to save money.

Hope for injury luck for 3 years, and if it's not working, you gave Flagg 3 years similar to Tatum's first 3 in the league, then you move on from all the vets and use your cap space and vets like Davis/Kyrie to hopefully get 1 more bluechip prospect next to Lively, Flagg, and Christie.

you guys aren't getting Gafford for Jrue

[Johnny Firpo]

As already mentioned some variation of Jrue for PJ and Gafford has been floated around since the Tatum injury, and it makes sense for both teams.

People are over rating how bad the Jrue contract is, it's only 3 years, you know he's still going to be a good shooter and All-Def team defender next year, and will be tradable in year 3 in a bigger package. They have no need for PJ any more, and have been trying to get off of Gaff since before the Luka trade. Jrue plays point when Ky is out, and moves to consummate 3D SG when he comes back. Compete with that roster for 2 years, and if it's not working, you have a 37 mil expirering, and hopefully something else to throw at a starter asking out on a longer deal, or in a 2 for 1.

Lively
AD- Martin
Cooper- Marshall
Jrue- Max- Hardey
Kyrie

Look to trade Klay and Hardy for another piece thats cheaper if you want to save money.

Hope for injury luck for 3 years, and if it's not working, you gave Flagg 3 years similar to Tatum's first 3 in the league, then you move on from all the vets and use your cap space and vets like Davis/Kyrie to hopefully get 1 more bluechip prospect next to Lively, Flagg, and Christie.

Honestly, this all sounds more than okay. However, do you think the Celtics would add a 1st rounder in this trade too? Because while I agree that Jrue's contract is not terrible at the moment, it certainly has a chance to become one sooner than later. And the Celtics get two very good players, and basically a 1st rounder in Omax, who could develop into a rotation player. I feel like the Celtics should put in a future 1st in this deal.

[brackdan70]

Jrue, but idk how it works financially

Klay and Gafford.
A 3rd team to take Klay would be ideal but straight up could still be manageable.

[brackdan70]

As already mentioned some variation of Jrue for PJ and Gafford has been floated around since the Tatum injury, and it makes sense for both teams.

People are over rating how bad the Jrue contract is, it's only 3 years, you know he's still going to be a good shooter and All-Def team defender next year, and will be tradable in year 3 in a bigger package. They have no need for PJ any more, and have been trying to get off of Gaff since before the Luka trade. Jrue plays point when Ky is out, and moves to consummate 3D SG when he comes back. Compete with that roster for 2 years, and if it's not working, you have a 37 mil expirering, and hopefully something else to throw at a starter asking out on a longer deal, or in a 2 for 1.

Lively
AD- Martin
Cooper- Marshall
Jrue- Max- Hardey
Kyrie

Look to trade Klay and Hardy for another piece thats cheaper if you want to save money.

Hope for injury luck for 3 years, and if it's not working, you gave Flagg 3 years similar to Tatum's first 3 in the league, then you move on from all the vets and use your cap space and vets like Davis/Kyrie to hopefully get 1 more bluechip prospect next to Lively, Flagg, and Christie.

Honestly, this all sounds more than okay. However, do you think the Celtics would add a 1st rounder in this trade too? Because while I agree that Jrue's contract is not terrible at the moment, it certainly has a chance to become one sooner than later. And the Celtics get two very good players, and basically a 1st rounder in Omax, who could develop into a rotation player. I feel like the Celtics should put in a future 1st in this deal.

I don’t think the Celtics would include a first unless they are getting 100% Salary relief which is not likely. Maybe swap rights or a second. Jrue is still the best player on the trade.

[seren]

Not sure how the math works with a Jrue trade. Arent there rules against combining salaries when you are above the apron?

[brackdan70]

Gabe Vincent, Dalton Knecht, and a 1st for Daniel Gafford.

Gafford doesn’t have that value

[Deathray]

Gafford for Reaves would work if the Lakers can't come to terms with him on an extension.

The Lakers aren't trading Reaves unless it's for a Walker Kessler or Jarrett Allen type of center.

Reaves doesn’t have that kind of value outside of LA.

I'm not saying that I think it will happen but objectively Gafford for Reaves does make a lot of sense with Gafford only having a year left on his contract and Reaves the same, as Austin will definitely decline his 26-27 player option if he doesn't suffer a catastrophic injury.

Mavs could get Reaves for one year next year as an audition then decide whether to sign him to a new contract or not with some of the money Kyrie frees up when he comes off the books.

The Lakers obviously need a big man and would be getting one pretty cheaply that they know would fit well with Luka.

[mademan]

As already mentioned some variation of Jrue for PJ and Gafford has been floated around since the Tatum injury, and it makes sense for both teams.

People are over rating how bad the Jrue contract is, it's only 3 years, you know he's still going to be a good shooter and All-Def team defender next year, and will be tradable in year 3 in a bigger package. They have no need for PJ any more, and have been trying to get off of Gaff since before the Luka trade. Jrue plays point when Ky is out, and moves to consummate 3D SG when he comes back. Compete with that roster for 2 years, and if it's not working, you have a 37 mil expirering, and hopefully something else to throw at a starter asking out on a longer deal, or in a 2 for 1.

Lively
AD- Martin
Cooper- Marshall
Jrue- Max- Hardey
Kyrie

Look to trade Klay and Hardy for another piece thats cheaper if you want to save money.

Hope for injury luck for 3 years, and if it's not working, you gave Flagg 3 years similar to Tatum's first 3 in the league, then you move on from all the vets and use your cap space and vets like Davis/Kyrie to hopefully get 1 more bluechip prospect next to Lively, Flagg, and Christie.

Honestly, this all sounds more than okay. However, do you think the Celtics would add a 1st rounder in this trade too? Because while I agree that Jrue's contract is not terrible at the moment, it certainly has a chance to become one sooner than later. And the Celtics get two very good players, and basically a 1st rounder in Omax, who could develop into a rotation player. I feel like the Celtics should put in a future 1st in this deal.

I don’t think the Celtics would include a first unless they are getting 100% Salary relief which is not likely. Maybe swap rights or a second. Jrue is still the best player on the trade.

I dunno about that. I think PJ and Jrue is pretty close on-court, especially if you think Jrue will continue to get worse, as guys who have their worst seasons at the age of 34 often do. His contract just doesnt make him a reasonable target for a team already flirting with the 2nd apron

[mademan]

Guys like Dlo and Tyus Jones will be worth close enough to the minimum that being guaranteed months of starter minutes with one of the best front courts in the league might tip it Dallas's way. A free Tyus or Dlo is much better than paying Jrue's contract for the next three seasons while still being able to trade PJ or Gafford for something else, and one of them should be available.

[brackdan70]

Not sure how the math works with a Jrue trade. Arent there rules against combining salaries when you are above the apron?

You can’t aggregate salaries if you are above the second Apron and can’t take back additional money if above the first. If you do either you get hard capped at the respective apron. The Celtics can trade Jrue for multiple players as long they don’t take back more salary in the current year.
Mavs can trade less salary but get hard capped at the first Apron. A third team can help avoid that, but the y would then be hard capped at the second Apron, which doesn’t seem to be a problem for them this year

[mademan]

The Lakers aren't trading Reaves unless it's for a Walker Kessler or Jarrett Allen type of center.

Reaves doesn’t have that kind of value outside of LA.

I'm not saying that I think it will happen but objectively Gafford for Reaves does make a lot of sense with Gafford only having a year left on his contract and Reaves the same, as Austin will definitely decline his 26-27 player option if he doesn't suffer a catastrophic injury.

Mavs could get Reaves for one year next year as an audition then decide whether to sign him to a new contract or not with some of the money Kyrie frees up when he comes off the books.

The Lakers obviously need a big man and would be getting one pretty cheaply that they know would fit well with Luka.

Dont get it wrong, Reaves for Gafford is a huge win for Dallas, though any trade Nico makes with Pelinka is gonna need to be a win for him. Getting Flagg may have softened the fan base up a tiny bit, but the man is still public enemy number 1 over there.

[TDGlenmanor]

Draft Harper and there is your higher ceiling player that JKIDD can mold, and Kyrie fits beside him when he returns.

Sign a vet like Lowry so he has the best mentor's from passing, offense and defense around him.

[Jadoogar]

Gafford for Reaves would work if the Lakers can't come to terms with him on an extension.

And the Mavericks have no reason to accept,unless the Lakers add their 2031 1st round pick. Really the Mavericks are just better using their vet min to bring in D'Angelo Russell or Malcolm Brogdon. They will give them basically the same level of production as Austin without the extra money.

Why would the mavericks not accept that? Reaves is the better player, Gafford is the better fit for the Lakers.
I'm assuming the Lakers would aim higher with Reaves.

Reaves is much better than both players you listed. Brogdon especially, he's barely on the court.

I don't see these 2 teams trading with each other, just due to optics.

[Jadoogar]

Gafford for Reaves would work if the Lakers can't come to terms with him on an extension.

The Lakers aren't trading Reaves unless it's for a Walker Kessler or Jarrett Allen type of center.

What about Lively?