Knicks players and coaches frustrated with KAT

[Illuminatos]

Similar to Thibs, if we move off from KAT it better be for somebody really good.

Why would any team trade anything good for a 1 way 30 year old center making $53/$57/$60 million next 3 years? Just gibberish to think otherwise. We traded a neutral value Randle who was at least expiring this Summer and a roleplayer on a sane contract in Donte for KAT. He's older, and just confirmed his problems are his.

We have 1 positive value contract, Brunson. Trade him. Tank in the 1 year we have our pick for the next half decade.

The Knicks trade Brunson and they’ll be tanking for more than 1 year.

[Stannis]

Trading Brunson is pure insanity. Are you rooting for the Nets?

Trading for the hope to win a title in my lifetime. How are we winning anything with this roster and only 1 pick under control for 6 years? Let alone giving poor Brunson a chance to play for a contender, or a real coach. His contract is pretty good, he'd net a few 1sts and a good young player. No other contracts are positive value, some are atrocious ( OG owed $164,000,000).

Dolan is going to tank immediately after making the ecf for the first time in 25 years?



Brunson is going to retire a Knick, better start figuring out how to put an improved team around him

Trading every pick for Bridges is what's going to hold the Knicks back imho,

[8516knicks]

Absolutely possible. Let's see what they potentially could get for those 2 players. If Giannis is unlikely JJJ and/or Bane for KAT and/or Bridges is an extremely interesting fit with Brunson and a Thibodeau defense.

Memphis with Ja, KAT, Bridges is an interesting make over for that team. Especially if CAA JJJ threatens to leave (as he only has 1 year left on his deal). Bane is expensive for them.

Plus, if we get Bane, Batman might come to NYC.

You joke my friend but lemme tell you I love the JJJ/Bane fit for this team and it makes sense for both sides....

-Memphis is seriously looking to shake things up.
-Zach Edey complements KAT and KAT can play more 4.
-Bridges is an iron man and they want a defensive stabilizer next to Morant
-JJJ is CAA and is on last year of deal and may bolt.

JJJ + Bane + Konchar (salary match) + Clarke(salary match) for KAT + Bridges + Dadiet + 2nd round pick

JJJ/Mitch
OG/JJJ
Hart/OG
Bane/McBride
Brunson/Wright

Some lineup permutations:
Mitch
JJJ
OG
Bane
Brunson

JJJ
OG
Bane
McBride
Brunson

JJJ
OG
Hart
Bane
Brunson

Thats a MUCH better lineup to assemble around Brunson. Especially if you keeping Thibodeau.

Definitely intriguing.

[3toheadmelo]

I really do think that this piece came out so soon because the Knicks are ready to move on from KAT.

[evevale]

The writing is on the wall.

not that i disagree w/ moving on from a spatially compromised player like kat but can we not give melo a dedicated canvas to paint all his hate about a player he's overtly been biased against before he played a single minute for the team?

like we get it melo - you don't like kat and randle getting traded will cost you decades in therapy but you need to let it go dude

[Stannis]

KAT is the easiest scapegoat imo. First year. Not part of the Nova clic. Actually lost one of their boys (DDV) for him.

Even if things don't improve in Year 2, he's moveable, IMHO. I'm really not worried about the "KAT issue".

On the other hand, we have no assets because everything was lost in the Bridges trade. And I think he's underperforming. We'll never get those 5 picks back. I doubt we can even get 2 picks back for him.

And if we are being honest, this series also showed the limitations of Brunson. Dude got clamped by Nembhard. There was clear frustration from him and loss of ball control which we havent seen before.

The team in general couldn't even handle a full court press

Is that KATs fault? Is the big man supposed to bring the ball up the court? I don't think he has much to do with the +15 TOs which just fed into the Pacers game

[Kidknick!]

Great hit piece on Kat by known Thibs knob slobber Katz, who does he run to for his 3am interview? Other NOTED THIBS ball gobbler Macri...

[3toheadmelo]

The writing is on the wall.

not that i disagree w/ moving on from a spatially compromised player like kat but can we not give melo a dedicated canvas to paint all his hate about a player he's overtly been biased against before he played a single minute for the team?

like we get it melo - you don't like kat and randle getting traded will cost you decades in therapy but you need to let it go dude

I see you're hurt that everything me and Sham said about KAT was true and predictably, you and the fire thibs crowd were wrong as usual. You spent years scapegoating Thibs and you have the audacity to talk about my hate for someone. Lmao. Take a look in the mirror and try self reflection for once. Deflecting to Randle (who you also scapegoated for 5 years because he was way better than your boy RJ) doesn't make you any better either.

[Kidknick!]

KAT is the easiest scapegoat imo. First year. Not part of the Nova clic. Actually lost one of their boys (DDV) for him.

Even if things don't improve in Year 2, he's moveable, IMHO. I'm really not worried about the "KAT issue".

On the other hand, we have no assets because everything was lost in the Bridges trade. And I think he's underperforming. We'll never get those 5 picks back. I doubt we can even get 2 picks back for him.

And if we are being honest, this series also showed the limitations of Brunson. Dude got clamped by Nembhard. There was clear frustration from him and loss of ball control which we havent seen before.

The team in general couldn't even handle a full court press

Is that KATs fault? Is the big man supposed to bring the ball up the court? I don't think he has much to do with the +15 TOs which just fed into the Pacers game

Kat and Bridges, been the scapegoats all season. Between the fallacy value of the picks and Kat's "Softness". Remember, we can throw out the way Thibs treats and thinks about Brock Aller that's been noted...

[Jeffrey]

I know KAT is who he is but you Hope that these players actually learn something over the years. Dude is making max money. Everyone and their mother tell him every year how talented he is and what he needs to do to take the next step. Does he really not care or there is something else going?

Can we chalk this up as.. dude is dumb as rocks on the defensive end?

I've been saying this to everyone in RealGM.. he's that fcking dude on the playground that does petty sh.it even though he is by far the most talented player on the course. He does it cuz there's no refs and gets away with it. It's like he forgot there are 3 zebras watching this dumbass play on defense.

[3toheadmelo]

The metrics show that KAT was a net negative in the playoffs.

Knicks had a net rating of -0.40 with KAT on the court.
Knicks had a net rating of +0.63 with KAT OFF the court.

[F N 11]

Knew this was coming even tho Mikal and Hart was getting blown by too. I had a feeling they wasn’t passing to Kat because he wasn’t playing defense. We knew Kat was going to be scapegoat.

[Jeffrey]

Plus, if we get Bane, Batman might come to NYC.

You joke my friend but lemme tell you I love the JJJ/Bane fit for this team and it makes sense for both sides....

-Memphis is seriously looking to shake things up.
-Zach Edey complements KAT and KAT can play more 4.
-Bridges is an iron man and they want a defensive stabilizer next to Morant
-JJJ is CAA and is on last year of deal and may bolt.

JJJ + Bane + Konchar (salary match) + Clarke(salary match) for KAT + Bridges + Dadiet + 2nd round pick

JJJ/Mitch
OG/JJJ
Hart/OG
Bane/McBride
Brunson/Wright

Some lineup permutations:
Mitch
JJJ
OG
Bane
Brunson

JJJ
OG
Bane
McBride
Brunson

JJJ
OG
Hart
Bane
Brunson

Thats a MUCH better lineup to assemble around Brunson. Especially if you keeping Thibodeau.

Definitely intriguing.

JJJ is not "bolting" . JJJ wants that super max and Memphis is not going to give it to him. They will probably trade him rather than getting stuck with a possible albatross contract. But yes, I would consider KAT for JJJ. Problem with JJJ is that he has never averaged 7 per game.

[evevale]

The writing is on the wall.

not that i disagree w/ moving on from a spatially compromised player like kat but can we not give melo a dedicated canvas to paint all his hate about a player he's overtly been biased against before he played a single minute for the team?

like we get it melo - you don't like kat and randle getting traded will cost you decades in therapy but you need to let it go dude

I see you're hurt that everything me and Sham said about KAT was true and predictably, you and the fire thibs crowd were wrong as usual. You spent years scapegoating Thibs and you have the audacity to talk about my hate for someone. Lmao. Take a look in the mirror and try self reflection for once. Deflecting to Randle (who you also scapegoated for 5 years because he was way better than your boy RJ) doesn't make you any better either.

who was talking about sham? and how were we wrong about kat when we had the most successful season of the century?

and talking about deflecting to randle who i, again, didn't mention?

you're talking to shadows bro

[Red Vines]

I don't think Game 1 the worst playoff choke ever by this team setting the table for the rest of the series was KATs fault.

[3toheadmelo]

not that i disagree w/ moving on from a spatially compromised player like kat but can we not give melo a dedicated canvas to paint all his hate about a player he's overtly been biased against before he played a single minute for the team?

like we get it melo - you don't like kat and randle getting traded will cost you decades in therapy but you need to let it go dude

I see you're hurt that everything me and Sham said about KAT was true and predictably, you and the fire thibs crowd were wrong as usual. You spent years scapegoating Thibs and you have the audacity to talk about my hate for someone. Lmao. Take a look in the mirror and try self reflection for once. Deflecting to Randle (who you also scapegoated for 5 years because he was way better than your boy RJ) doesn't make you any better either.

who was talking about sham? and how were we wrong about him when we had the most successful season of the century?

and talking about deflecting to randle who i, again, didn't mention?

you're talking to shadows bro

Do you even read what you type?

and randle getting traded will cost you decades in therapy

Maybe I'm talking to a bot since you can't even remember what you said. deflecting and then playing the victim is crazy lmao

[evevale]

I see you're hurt that everything me and Sham said about KAT was true and predictably, you and the fire thibs crowd were wrong as usual. You spent years scapegoating Thibs and you have the audacity to talk about my hate for someone. Lmao. Take a look in the mirror and try self reflection for once. Deflecting to Randle (who you also scapegoated for 5 years because he was way better than your boy RJ) doesn't make you any better either.

who was talking about sham? and how were we wrong about him when we had the most successful season of the century?

and talking about deflecting to randle who i, again, didn't mention?

you're talking to shadows bro

Do you even read what you type?

and randle getting traded will cost you decades in therapy

Maybe I'm talking to a bot since you can't even remember what you said. deflecting and then playing the victim is crazy lmao

**** me

definitely lost this one lol - myb melo

[3toheadmelo]

who was talking about sham? and how were we wrong about him when we had the most successful season of the century?

and talking about deflecting to randle who i, again, didn't mention?

you're talking to shadows bro

Do you even read what you type?

and randle getting traded will cost you decades in therapy

Maybe I'm talking to a bot since you can't even remember what you said. deflecting and then playing the victim is crazy lmao

**** me

definitely lost this one lol - myb melo

It's all good

KAT is a solid player for sure and I do appreciate the good games he had. I just think it might be impossible to win a chip with him and Brunson being cones and seeing that the coaches/players were frustrated with him all year is concerning to me. Think you gotta choose between one of Brunson and KAT. I'm not saying to trade KAT for nothing tho cause if you can't get a star in return for him I would just keep him and hope he gets better next year.

[Stannis]

I know KAT is who he is but you Hope that these players actually learn something over the years. Dude is making max money. Everyone and their mother tell him every year how talented he is and what he needs to do to take the next step. Does he really not care or there is something else going?

Can we chalk this up as.. dude is dumb as rocks on the defensive end?

Probably

But we need to question why Knicks always give big money to players who were never good on defense and then expect them to turn things around as veteran (e.g. Amare, THjr)

Did people really expect KAT to suddenly be a better defender ? And didn't he already play for Thibs for several seasons ?

[Ghetto Gospel]

KAT is the easiest scapegoat imo. First year. Not part of the Nova clic. Actually lost one of their boys (DDV) for him.

Even if things don't improve in Year 2, he's moveable, IMHO. I'm really not worried about the "KAT issue".

On the other hand, we have no assets because everything was lost in the Bridges trade. And I think he's underperforming. We'll never get those 5 picks back. I doubt we can even get 2 picks back for him.

And if we are being honest, this series also showed the limitations of Brunson. Dude got clamped by Nembhard. There was clear frustration from him and loss of ball control which we havent seen before.

The team in general couldn't even handle a full court press

Is that KATs fault? Is the big man supposed to bring the ball up the court? I don't think he has much to do with the +15 TOs which just fed into the Pacers game

with regards to the TO battle, it's more than just that.

the pacers love running up and down the floor no matter what, whether it's a make or a miss, and the problem is anytime either brunson or kat hit the floor on a layup, make or miss doesn't matter, they throw their hands up into the air to complain about a non-call, take their sweet ass time to get up, then proceed to jog up the floor leading to a 5 on 4 on the other end because haliburton actually runs the floor leading to an open layup or an open 3 on the other end. quietly, both kat and brunson can stand to lose like 10-15 lbs at least and get their ass in gear