2025 General Draft Discussion 2

Post #61 » by **fatlever** » Sun Jun 1, 2025 11:50 pm

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big board from utility sports, same guy who did the really good ace vid i posted. he has some different takes, no doubt.

its good to hear different perpectives, when well researched.

does everything in tiers with floor/ceiling ranges similar to what i posted last week. like minds.

14 bryant
13 essengue
12 ace
11 fears
10 thiero
9 vj
8 cmb
7 kaspar
6 kon
5 tre
4 malauch
3 queen
2 harper
1 flagg

Bassman · Post #62 » by **Bassman** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:06 am

Queen rated 3rd? Malauch 4th?

Did NYCUNC produce this :lol:

?

I do appreciate different perspectives, but I don’t see this as reflecting majority sentiment from NBA teams. Queen has lots of warning bells, and I do not see Ace sliding to anywhere near 12.

Post #63 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 5:03 am

Bassman wrote:Queen rated 3rd? Malauch 4th?

Did NYCUNC produce this ?

I do appreciate different perspectives, but I don’t see this as reflecting majority sentiment from NBA teams. Queen has lots of warning bells, and I do not see Ace sliding to anywhere near 12.

i mean... its not a mock or reflective of what he thinks nba teams have guys ranked. just one dudes opinions on how he personally ranks them. queen/malauch in top 5 isnt too out there. 3 thru 10 is probably more fluid than we think. espn big board is less how they think and more on nba intel, so i appreciate some fresh views.

Post #64 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:58 am

https://www.draftcasual.com/home

some cool stuff here

MPM · Post #65 » by **MPM** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 1:12 pm

fatlever wrote:https://www.draftcasual.com/home

some cool stuff here

Fun. Interesting that for all the flack Ace is given for poor shot choice, he ranks average in shot quality.

JMAC3 · Post #66 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 3:39 pm

A few of the most interesting nuggets from Barlowe article today.

Spurs could be tricky at #2. If they like someone Harper may not be a lock.
Ace the fav at 3, but Tre, VJ and Malauch should get looks.
Fears range could be 2-5.
Milwaukee scouting top 10 prospects (first pick 47).

Liver_Pooty · Post #67 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 3:43 pm

JMAC3 wrote:A few of the most interesting nuggets from Barlowe article today.

Spurs could be tricky at #2. If they like someone Harper may not be a lock.
Ace the fav at 3, but Tre, VJ and Malauch should get looks.
Fears range could be 2-5.
Milwaukee scouting top 10 prospects (first pick 47).

Interesting that Malauch would get a look at 3 with Embiid there. Granted he never plays, but still. Can see Milwaukee scouting in our range if someone uses their pick as a stepping stone for Giannis.

LofJ · Post #68 » by **LofJ** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:00 pm

JMAC3 wrote:A few of the most interesting nuggets from Barlowe article today.

Spurs could be tricky at #2. If they like someone Harper may not be a lock.
Ace the fav at 3, but Tre, VJ and Malauch should get looks.
Fears range could be 2-5.
Milwaukee scouting top 10 prospects (first pick 47).

I think this is going to be a year when a trade happens in the top 5 on draft night. I think Utah is going to trade up to 2 to get Harper. And San Antonio is going to take Noa Essengue at 5.And as a counterpoint to that it also means one of Ace, VJ, or Tre will drop out of the top 5.

JMAC3 · Post #69 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:03 pm

LofJ wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:A few of the most interesting nuggets from Barlowe article today.

Spurs could be tricky at #2. If they like someone Harper may not be a lock.
Ace the fav at 3, but Tre, VJ and Malauch should get looks.
Fears range could be 2-5.
Milwaukee scouting top 10 prospects (first pick 47).

I think this is going to be a year when a trade happens in the top 5 on draft night. I think Utah is going to trade up to 2 to get Harper. And San Antonio is going to take Noa Essengue at 5.

I think Spurs trade #2 to NOP for #7 and 2 Bucks firsts. Spurs then flip those picks to Bucks in Giannis deal.

LofJ · Post #70 » by **LofJ** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:06 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:A few of the most interesting nuggets from Barlowe article today.

Spurs could be tricky at #2. If they like someone Harper may not be a lock.
Ace the fav at 3, but Tre, VJ and Malauch should get looks.
Fears range could be 2-5.
Milwaukee scouting top 10 prospects (first pick 47).

I think this is going to be a year when a trade happens in the top 5 on draft night. I think Utah is going to trade up to 2 to get Harper. And San Antonio is going to take Noa Essengue at 5.

I think Spurs trade #2 to NOP for #7 and 2 Bucks firsts. Spurs then flip those picks to Bucks in Giannis deal.

The Pelicans leveraging their Bucks firsts to trade up for Harper would be brilliant on their part, it makes a ton of sense. But are they smart enough to pull that off? I have doubts (same if it was us in that situation).

JMAC3 · Post #71 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:10 pm

LofJ wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
I think this is going to be a year when a trade happens in the top 5 on draft night. I think Utah is going to trade up to 2 to get Harper. And San Antonio is going to take Noa Essengue at 5.

I think Spurs trade #2 to NOP for #7 and 2 Bucks firsts. Spurs then flip those picks to Bucks in Giannis deal.

The Pelicans leveraging their Bucks firsts to trade up for Harper would be brilliant on their part, it makes a ton of sense. But are they smart enough to pull that off? I have doubts (same if it was us in that situation).

Yeah, because if you are Milwaukee. Which would you rather have?

#2 (Harper)? or #7 plus your own first in 26 and 27? Decent chance if they are bottoming out post Giannis those are both top 8 picks.

HornetJail · Post #72 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:11 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:A few of the most interesting nuggets from Barlowe article today.

Spurs could be tricky at #2. If they like someone Harper may not be a lock.
Ace the fav at 3, but Tre, VJ and Malauch should get looks.
Fears range could be 2-5.
Milwaukee scouting top 10 prospects (first pick 47).

I think this is going to be a year when a trade happens in the top 5 on draft night. I think Utah is going to trade up to 2 to get Harper. And San Antonio is going to take Noa Essengue at 5.

I think Spurs trade #2 to NOP for #7 and 2 Bucks firsts. Spurs then flip those picks to Bucks in Giannis deal.

I was hoping you'd be onto something here, but I really don't think it works without also including Atlanta. The Pels are probably hardcore rebuilding the next few years and need their picks.

Their 2026 is currently a swap. own the better of NOLA and MIL. I don't think the Pelicans give up this pick outright (although one could argue they should, if Harper is that level of prospect), and just a swap isn't really that massive value for them.
The Pels own the better of their own and MIL, but Atlanta owns the lesser of the two. Can't necessarily give Milwaukee their own pick back without going through Atlanta to decouple the picks.

Unless the Pels are making their version of the Panthers Bryce Young trade where they give up all rights to their 2027, I don't know how this works.

LofJ · Post #73 » by **LofJ** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 4:14 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
LofJ wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:
I think Spurs trade #2 to NOP for #7 and 2 Bucks firsts. Spurs then flip those picks to Bucks in Giannis deal.

The Pelicans leveraging their Bucks firsts to trade up for Harper would be brilliant on their part, it makes a ton of sense. But are they smart enough to pull that off? I have doubts (same if it was us in that situation).

Yeah, because if you are Milwaukee. Which would you rather have?

#2 (Harper)? or #7 plus your own first in 26 and 27? Decent chance if they are bottoming out post Giannis those are both top 8 picks.

If you expect to be a bad team, which the Bucks will be with Giannis gone, you absolutely want to have control over your own picks. If the Bucks GM isn't a moron that's a requirement for any Giannis trade. I think they'd like Harper, but having control over the own picks the next 2 years plus the 7th is a better deal for them.

Post #74 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:23 pm

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/2025-nba-draft-big-board-3-0-rising-stars-top-10

clutchpoints big board updated - here's top 14

flagg
ace
harper
malauch
vj
essengue
tre
kon
bryant
fears
demin
kaspar
queen
cmb

highest we've seen ace. another with malauch in top 4, essengue hype out of control or justified?

EmpireFalls · Post #75 » by **EmpireFalls** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 6:30 pm

All the Maluach overrating disgusts me

Liver_Pooty · Post #76 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:24 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:All the Maluach overrating disgusts me

It shouldn't. Hes a good prospect. I just pray we don't take him.

Liver_Pooty · Post #77 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:25 pm

fatlever wrote:https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/2025-nba-draft-big-board-3-0-rising-stars-top-10

clutchpoints big board updated - here's top 14

flagg
ace
harper
malauch
vj
essengue
tre
kon
bryant
fears
demin
kaspar
queen
cmb

highest we've seen ace. another with malauch in top 4, essengue hype out of control or justified?

Be some **** if somehow Harper landed to us at 4.

MPM · Post #78 » by **MPM** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:26 pm

It's a pattern - you get sensible mocks shortly after the lottery. There's an entire college season of player scouting to go on at that point. Then there are a few understandable risers and fallers after the combine and as workouts roll out. But in the relative quiet between now and draft day, there is also the continuous BS reshuffling of individual mocks by draft hacks hunting clicks that result in things like Queen at 3 and Maluach at 4. In the end, the draft will look a lot more like the post-lottery consensus mocks (with trades being the wild variable) and the clickbaiter mocks will magically begin to realign with them closer to.

Post #79 » by **fatlever** » Mon Jun 2, 2025 7:39 pm

https://www.rookiescale.com/2025-consensus-board/

consensus big board as of 5/28/25

"Input sources include ESPN, The Athletic, Bleacher Report, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo, The Ringer, Tankathon, For the Win, CBS, No Ceilings, NBA Big Board, Swish Theory, Babock Hoops, SBN, and dozens of other independent boards/mocks."

posted in wrong thread

Post #80 » by **Diop** » Tue Jun 3, 2025 12:42 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
EmpireFalls wrote:All the Maluach overrating disgusts me

It shouldn't. Hes a good prospect. I just pray we don't take him.

i get it, he could/should be solid, i didn't watch much College basketball but he never stood out as a top 5 prospect to me.

its funny how they start rising in the ratings, is he interviewing well or something??