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Post#861 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:43 am

seren wrote:Listened to bunch of talking heads. Ian Begley was the most informative. The FO didn’t see a conference finals as success. They want a championship. This roster and Thibs maxed out what they can do together. I like the aggressiveness here. Granted it is not a guarantee a different coach can get us to even where we were this year but Thibs wouldn’t guarantee that either. What would have improved with another Thibs season? What would he have done differently next year that he didn’t try this year? The answer is probably nothing. We would continue going through the motions and next year we might not be as lucky with injuries.


Thibs and this roster was a poor fit. That's the assessment.

The last two seasons it worked because of the personnel. When things changed, Thibs needed to approach this differently.

You can't coach the 2025 Knicks like the 2011 Bulls. I'm sorry but this is what it boils down to, and the fact that we got absolutely cooked by Indiana.
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Post#862 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:44 am

If the front office had to step in to force Mitch into the starting line up and for him use the bench, he was already fired weeks ago unfortunately.
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Post#863 » by Context » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:46 am

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This is why I kept saying - this off season Leon will show me what he's made of...


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Post#864 » by Fury » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:46 am

MrDollarBills wrote:If the front office had to step in to force Mitch into the starting line up and for him use the bench, he was already fired weeks ago unfortunately.


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Post#865 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:50 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:If the front office had to step in to force Mitch into the starting line up and for him use the bench, he was already fired weeks ago unfortunately.


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I'm not even trying to be funny I'm being real. I think Leon was out well before we hit Game 6.

I really think that a modern offense will unlock this group's potential
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Post#866 » by BKlutch » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:50 am

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The KnicksFix wrote:Johnnie Bryant relies on a motion offense with constant back cuts and spacing. It’s perfect for today’s NBA, the Cavs run a lot of sets that we used to run last year with Donte and ihart and back cutters. His defensive philosophies were amazing, he ran the 2-3 zone defense in game 3 with the Cavs that beat the pacers, but Atkinson went away from it in game 4 and 5 for no reason. He’s the best up and coming modern NBA coach


No shade to your post, but we have no idea what Johnnie Bryant relies on. He's never been a HC :lol:

He's never run anything ever.


Yes he has, skip to 7:20 in this video and he explains his concept of spacing



Now watch this entire podcast and you can see what his concepts are on trapping the pick and roll, and defensive schemes



A lot of sets that we ran in 2nd and 1st quarters last season were plays that Thibs allowed Bryant to cook

The guy can coach

It was immediately apparent that Thibs never had our guys on the outside moving - usually they stood around, and so may of our passes couldn't be made or resulted in turnovers. Great video, and I loved watching the whole thing.
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Post#867 » by Jose7 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:59 am

top 3 day as a Knick fan EASILY.

thank you thibs for all you have done.
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Post#868 » by Jose7 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 12:59 am

brunson and KAT played 95% of their minutes with either josh hart, precious or a combination of both on the floor. lmao... that is all you need to know about Thibs approach to this team/offense.
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Post#869 » by sol537 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:06 am

Jose7 wrote:brunson and KAT played 95% of their minutes with either josh hart, precious or a combination of both on the floor. lmao... that is all you need to know about Thibs approach to this team/offense.


Brutal. Hart is a 24 minutes a game bench spark plug. Stop making him out to be more than that.
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Post#870 » by Madskillzz024 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:10 am

If Thibs stayed, we were never improving our bench this summer since every free agent would know they would not play here anyways. The move had to be made assuming we are running it back with the same core.
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Post#871 » by Jose7 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:11 am

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Jose7 wrote:brunson and KAT played 95% of their minutes with either josh hart, precious or a combination of both on the floor. lmao... that is all you need to know about Thibs approach to this team/offense.


Brutal. Hart is a 24 minutes a game bench spark plug. Stop making him out to be more than that.


Thibs made many of us question our appreciation for Hart.. Im really upset I talked down on Hart knowing his weaknesses... Just brutal..

Hart is an awesome player. He should be deployed much more appropriately moving forward. He's an awesome 6 man.
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Post#872 » by prophet_of_rage » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:13 am

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Brunson knew...make no mistake...thats why he repeated the question at the post game press conference


Doubt he knew. Seems like a genuine guy. I’m sure Brunson is upset but in the same way like trading someone like Donte, Brunson is committed to the ultimate task of winning a title and all that it comes with.
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He's basically f*cking a friend of the grandkids.


I don't see the appeal of dating someone in their early 20s and I'm like 30 something years younger than Bill.

Like some of these women look like little kids still.

Many people in their early 20's are still kids. A few a adults. For a grown man to want someone who is essential a child in a mature body is a problem for both of them, but neither realizes it. So even a smart guy can be really stupid.
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MrDollarBills wrote:I don't think Leon made this decision in a knee jerk fashion. We heard rumblings that Tom wasn't safe well before the conference finals. I think all of the criticism that has been said about this team since January was also being echoed behind closed doors.

I honestly felt that the wild inconsistency we saw from game to game felt like dysfunction.

We'll find out shortly what was going on..

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Post#875 » by dakomish23 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:15 am

I need someone who doesn’t overly rely on ISO basketball
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Post#876 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:17 am

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why did they not just absorb the guy into the front office or on a different capacity?


Mozt guys when they are being removed from their current position dont take it so well


You can't move a guy into the FO right after he does this

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Post#878 » by 8516knicks » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:21 am

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seren wrote:Listened to bunch of talking heads. Ian Begley was the most informative. The FO didn’t see a conference finals as success. They want a championship. This roster and Thibs maxed out what they can do together. I like the aggressiveness here. Granted it is not a guarantee a different coach can get us to even where we were this year but Thibs wouldn’t guarantee that either. What would have improved with another Thibs season? What would he have done differently next year that he didn’t try this year? The answer is probably nothing. We would continue going through the motions and next year we might not be as lucky with injuries.


Thibs and this roster was a poor fit. That's the assessment.

The last two seasons it worked because of the personnel. When things changed, Thibs needed to approach this differently.

You can't coach the 2025 Knicks like the 2011 Bulls. I'm sorry but this is what it boils down to, and the fact that we got absolutely cooked by Indiana.


That lousy game six might have been the final/deciding straw.
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Post#879 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:23 am

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Context wrote:Brunson knew...make no mistake...thats why he repeated the question at the post game press conference


Doubt he knew. Seems like a genuine guy. I’m sure Brunson is upset but in the same way like trading someone like Donte, Brunson is committed to the ultimate task of winning a title and all that it comes with.
He knew

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I found it interesting how people took anything positive Brunson said about Thibs so literally when this is what most pro ballers do with their coaches to some degree. I said it did not mean that is exactly how Brunson feels about Thibs and it was merely him being politically correct.

Brunson grew up with Uncle Thibs so it would be like crapping on a relative in public. He just wasn't going to do it.

I'm sure Brunson has a soft spot for Thibs, but that has nothing to do with whether he feels Thibs will help him reach his goals, because the reality is Thibs would not. Thibs did, however, give Brunson the opportunity of a lifetime to do WTF he wanted on the court and he became Mr. Clutch so there is a debt there, but that's as far as it necessarily goes.
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Post#880 » by HerSports85 » Wed Jun 4, 2025 1:24 am

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The firing isn’t shocking but him being completely out of the organization is.
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