AD to Detroit

[daoneandonly]

Lots of good posts. Reasonable value in OP. A few more thoughts…

Obviously bad Luka trade, and Nico might get lynched, but with Flagg coming in and Kyrie out, maybe a time for a full rebuild? So trading AD makes sense to me.

Pistons could use him and actually let him play PF. Not worried about the fit.

Downside is future cap space and what the Pistons would have to give up. Ausar, Ivey and Holland are three good young wings, so losing two of them would certainly hurt the future. And even though those three firsts would all be in the 20s, that’s a lot of draft capital.

All things considered, Detroit should be patient and use their resources on getting a younger PF.

I wouldn't think Ausar would even be a possibility. But if he were, Detroit could keep Ivey, Holland and a first or two

[daoneandonly]

Why are we seeing AD trade talks?? I'm pretty sure Nico wants to live.

Many reasons, some his fault, some not his

1. He was the centerpiece in arguably the most lopsided, illogical trade in NBA history
2. Piss poor attitude - forced his way out of NO to go to only LA, and is a diva about playing the 5 even though its best for the team
3. Always injured, I'm sure many times he could have fought through it and played, but didn't.
4. With Dallas being blessed with the #1 pick, the timeline should change now.
5. All the things above, not worth 54 mil a year

1 - Not his fault.
2 - Never been a diva about playing the 5. Has said numerous times he'll do whatever is best for the team. Has played Center for three years now. You blame him for wanting out of NO?
3 - Tell us, Doctor, what were the injuries he could have played through? And yet, over the last 3 seasons (22-25) he has played more games than Giannis, as many as Steph, and only 12 less than Luka.
4 - Why? Just use and bring Flagg along slowly like the Spurs did Kawhi. (Not as slow)
5 - The MLE, which is largely given to average players, is $15M... AD is worth 3x that. Unless maybe you're just stuck in 2019 NBA pay structures?

1. Already said not everything was his fault
2. And yet he still whines about it. Even complained LA needed to trade for a center, when dude is a center.
3. No he didnt play more games than Giannis or Steph. I guess we have to make up stuff since AD is soft and misses games for a runny nose
4. An option, but AD will stunt his growth more than help IMO. PJ is the better running mate plus the assets Dallas get back from AD
5. Lies again, its 12.8 mil. So okay, AD is 3x of that, that would be 38.4 mil. He makes 54, so yeah, overpaid

[Kalamazoo317]

I'd have to seriously consider Tobias, Ausar, Sasser, Tech, 2030 first round pick for AD. Only adds $7 million to our cap, maintain control over most of our picks, and lets us play AD at the 4 without the spacing concerns of pairing him with Ausar.

[guldakot]

No interest in Anothony Day to Day.

[daoneandonly]

I'd have to seriously consider Tobias, Ausar, Sasser, Tech, 2030 first round pick for AD. Only adds $7 million to our cap, maintain control over most of our picks, and lets us play AD at the 4 without the spacing concerns of pairing him with Ausar.

I like it for both teams. Really thought Det would declare AUsar untouchable, so as a Mavs fan sign me up. I really think both are better off after such a deal

Detroit would roll out this lineup. Well balanced and still incredibly young outside of AD. That team can make some movement in the East

Duren/Stew
AD/
Hollins
Ivey
Cunningham

Whereas Dallas would have a menacing wing defensive duo in Flagg/Ausar. Just need to trade Klay for a PG to hold down the fort until Kyrie returns, or Gaff for said Point and Klay for a backup 5.

Lively
PJ
Flagg
Ausar
Kyrie

[Kalamazoo317]

I think we'd probably want to get some spacing at the three (bring back THJ?) and bring Holland in off the bench, but, yeah, that's the basic idea. Our wing defense would be a bit lacking, but I think we'd be improved overall.

[theBigLip]

I'd have to seriously consider Tobias, Ausar, Sasser, Tech, 2030 first round pick for AD. Only adds $7 million to our cap, maintain control over most of our picks, and lets us play AD at the 4 without the spacing concerns of pairing him with Ausar.

I like it for both teams. Really thought Det would declare Ausar untouchable, so as a Mavs fan sign me up. I really think both are better off after such a deal

Detroit would roll out this lineup. Well balanced and still incredibly young outside of AD. That team can make some movement in the East

Duren/Stew
AD/
Hollins
Ivey
Cunningham

Whereas Dallas would have a menacing wing defensive duo in Flagg/Ausar. Just need to trade Klay for a PG to hold down the fort until Kyrie returns, or Gaff for said Point and Klay for a backup 5.

Lively
PJ
Flagg
Ausar
Kyrie

Pistons fans opinions on Ausar vary, but I think he’ll be DPOY someday. I wouldn’t trade him.

[daoneandonly]

I'd have to seriously consider Tobias, Ausar, Sasser, Tech, 2030 first round pick for AD. Only adds $7 million to our cap, maintain control over most of our picks, and lets us play AD at the 4 without the spacing concerns of pairing him with Ausar.

I like it for both teams. Really thought Det would declare Ausar untouchable, so as a Mavs fan sign me up. I really think both are better off after such a deal

Detroit would roll out this lineup. Well balanced and still incredibly young outside of AD. That team can make some movement in the East

Duren/Stew
AD/
Hollins
Ivey
Cunningham

Whereas Dallas would have a menacing wing defensive duo in Flagg/Ausar. Just need to trade Klay for a PG to hold down the fort until Kyrie returns, or Gaff for said Point and Klay for a backup 5.

Lively
PJ
Flagg
Ausar
Kyrie

Pistons fans opinions on Ausar vary, but I think he’ll be DPOY someday. I wouldn’t trade him.

Not far fetched, he and his bro have the tools. Would be cool to have one in Houston, one in Dallas

[DetroitDon15]

The Mavs gave up a top 5 player for AD- that’s the value they place on him.

They won’t turn around and deal him for this.

On the flip side this doesn’t really make sense for the Pistons, AD’s availability and age don’t line up with their goals or timeline.

Spot on, Detroit doesn’t need to mortgage the future for an agin AD who has lingering health issues. I’m sure Dallas jumps at something like this to push a restart.

[tmorgan]

Too soon for DET.

If we hsve another “gain” year next season, say 50 wins, a playoff series win, and competitive in the second round, then start looking at bigger names.

Both Ivey and Duren are eligible for extensions this summer, and then Ausar the next. None will be cheap if we intend to lock them up, although only Ausar has any shot at something near the max (and that would require real signs of improving offense next year). I can’t see us keeping all three on bigger deals, so trades are possible. Right now, though, we aren’t sure who to trade, how Ivey bounces back, if Duren can play better defense, and if Ausar can get better on offense. It’s too early to know the right move.

AD is still a force… when he plays. That’s the kind of risk you take when, if the die rolls right, a healthy AD can lift you to real contender status. Don’t think that’s us yet. Awfully risky to sell a big portion of the future on an ace when you may not have the other cards you need yet.

[Slim Charless]

I'd have to seriously consider Tobias, Ausar, Sasser, Tech, 2030 first round pick for AD. Only adds $7 million to our cap, maintain control over most of our picks, and lets us play AD at the 4 without the spacing concerns of pairing him with Ausar.

I like it for both teams. Really thought Det would declare Ausar untouchable, so as a Mavs fan sign me up. I really think both are better off after such a deal

Detroit would roll out this lineup. Well balanced and still incredibly young outside of AD. That team can make some movement in the East

Duren/Stew
AD/
Hollins
Ivey
Cunningham

Whereas Dallas would have a menacing wing defensive duo in Flagg/Ausar. Just need to trade Klay for a PG to hold down the fort until Kyrie returns, or Gaff for said Point and Klay for a backup 5.

Lively
PJ
Flagg
Ausar
Kyrie

Pistons fans opinions on Ausar vary, but I think he’ll be DPOY someday. I wouldn’t trade him.

You guys might be better suited grabbing White from Boston. Holland, Ivey, Harris should get it done, especially if you can take KP off their hands and save them a small fortune.

Those 2 would add shooting and championship pedigrees to the young Pistons.

[oldncreaky]

Too soon for DET.

If we hsve another “gain” year next season, say 50 wins, a playoff series win, and competitive in the second round, then start looking at bigger names.

Both Ivey and Duren are eligible for extensions this summer, and then Ausar the next. None will be cheap if we intend to lock them up, although only Ausar has any shot at something near the max (and that would require real signs of improving offense next year). I can’t see us keeping all three on bigger deals, so trades are possible. Right now, though, we aren’t sure who to trade, how Ivey bounces back, if Duren can play better defense, and if Ausar can get better on offense. It’s too early to know the right move.

AD is still a force… when he plays. That’s the kind of risk you take when, if the die rolls right, a healthy AD can lift you to real contender status. Don’t think that’s us yet. Awfully risky to sell a big portion of the future on an ace when you may not have the other cards you need yet.

And1 * 100

[vege]

AD have been averaging 50/82 games played the past 5 seasons and he is not getting any younger.

He is constantly injured when his team needs him. Only Nico is dumb (or corrupt) enough to mortage the future for him.

This would be a much worse version of the Blake trade, we would be trading more value for a lesser player, the result would be even more catastrophic.

Luckly for us Troy Weaver is in Washington. Maybe they would trade that kind of value for AD, Trajan seems like a smart guy.