The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 2

[dremill24]

WHY?!?!

Charlotte has shown recently with their new management that they're willing to take on bad deals but they sho aint doin it for free

We can give them #29 IF we are gonna get a better pick in a trade. I wouldn't hesitate about it.

Who is their worse contract? (Other than Nurkic lol).

Somehow feels like that wouldnt be enough lol

I'd say Grant Williams and Josh Green are their most undesirable money.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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They really have nothing close to get a deal done for KD.

[BobbieL]

Charlotte has shown recently with their new management that they're willing to take on bad deals but they sho aint doin it for free

We can give them #29 IF we are gonna get a better pick in a trade. I wouldn't hesitate about it.

Who is their worse contract? (Other than Nurkic lol).

Somehow feels like that wouldnt be enough lol

I'd say Grant Williams and Josh Green are their most undesirable money.

I think the suns would need to send two picks

What about Allen for Williams and the Suns get a draft pick

the Beal trade talk needs to stop -- its not happen ing

Hopefully he takes the amount needed to be stretched or just let him stay home

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[BobbieL]

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Good names

Hopefully Ott brings in a good well-rounded staff

[Slim Charless]

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I almost do not want us to get a high pick as I'd bet just about anything that Ish will take Jace Richardson no matter what slot he's at if he's available. I might have to turn in my fan card if we pass on Ace or Harper for him.

[Slim Charless]

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I thought the Hawks were only speculated here. I haven't seen them mentioned anywhere else honestly.

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https://www.si.com/nba/kevin-durant-atlanta-hawks-trade-2025

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/atlanta-hawks-interested-creating-dynamic-063938924.html

I wasn't even aware that they had serious interest in KD and actually aggressively tried to trade for him at the deadline last year. But it makes sense as they're already desperately trying to pair a star with Young to convince him to not leave in 27 free agency! Or sooner by demanding a trade.

So with Atlanta as another legit suitor, they could actually field a really great offer for KD (maybe top 2 in value) alongside of San Antonio or Houston?? A package around Jalen Johnson or Dyson Daniels/ Terrence Mann/ Bufkin/ filler/ 13th pick/ 22nd pick/ ATL 29' 1st or ATL 31' 1st?? What about a package with Risarcher?

Not to ge a dick to KD, but if we somehow didn't get the full value were looking for from other teams, I'd absolutesly look at sending KD to Atlanta to get back a package with Johnson who'llbe an allstar SF soon or Daniels aw a 6'8 1st team all defensive PG AND lottery picks too

Jalen Johnson on the table would seriously change the calculus of which teams have the best packages (also why they probly wouldnt, but who knows?). ATL also doesnt seem like a place KD would play nice about going to.

I think they give up Risharche way before giving up Johnson. He was awesome this yr before the injury. Can they sign and trade Capela to us with him?

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https://www.si.com/nba/kevin-durant-atlanta-hawks-trade-2025

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/atlanta-hawks-interested-creating-dynamic-063938924.html

I wasn't even aware that they had serious interest in KD and actually aggressively tried to trade for him at the deadline last year. But it makes sense as they're already desperately trying to pair a star with Young to convince him to not leave in 27 free agency! Or sooner by demanding a trade.

So with Atlanta as another legit suitor, they could actually field a really great offer for KD (maybe top 2 in value) alongside of San Antonio or Houston?? A package around Jalen Johnson or Dyson Daniels/ Terrence Mann/ Bufkin/ filler/ 13th pick/ 22nd pick/ ATL 29' 1st or ATL 31' 1st?? What about a package with Risarcher?

Not to ge a dick to KD, but if we somehow didn't get the full value were looking for from other teams, I'd absolutesly look at sending KD to Atlanta to get back a package with Johnson who'llbe an allstar SF soon or Daniels aw a 6'8 1st team all defensive PG AND lottery picks too

Jalen Johnson on the table would seriously change the calculus of which teams have the best packages (also why they probly wouldnt, but who knows?). ATL also doesnt seem like a place KD would play nice about going to.

I think they give up Risharche way before giving up Johnson. He was awesome this yr before the injury. Can they sign and trade Capela to us with him?

I'd love to get Johnson. But honestly mind of want Dyson Daniels more for his elite defensive potential and size at PG/ SG. Overall though, I'd probably rank it like:

1- Jalen Johnson.
2- Dyson Daniels.
3- Zacharie Risarcher.

And I'm not sure if I'd honestly keep Risarcher or trade him for other pieces or picks? I'd also highly value the 13th and 22nd picks for their ranges in this draft. Most likely targeting Collin Murray Boyles or Cedric Coward at 13. And then Maxime Raynaud at 22. And then at 29, Adou Thiero for sure!

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2029 is aggressive

[dremill24]

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Jalen Johnson on the table would seriously change the calculus of which teams have the best packages (also why they probly wouldnt, but who knows?). ATL also doesnt seem like a place KD would play nice about going to.

I think they give up Risharche way before giving up Johnson. He was awesome this yr before the injury. Can they sign and trade Capela to us with him?

I'd love to get Johnson. But honestly mind of want Dyson Daniels more for his elite defensive potential and size at PG/ SG. Overall though, I'd probably rank it like:

1- Jalen Johnson.
2- Dyson Daniels.
3- Zacharie Risarcher.

And I'm not sure if I'd honestly keep Risarcher or trade him for other pieces or picks? I'd also highly value the 13th and 22nd picks for their ranges in this draft. Most likely targeting Collin Murray Boyles or Cedric Coward at 13. And then Maxime Raynaud at 22. And then at 29, Adou Thiero for sure!

I think this valuation of Daniels is quite rosy. He's a really good defensive playmaker but 'elite' as an overall defender might be stretching it. And his offense is still (and likely to always be) a problem.

Not that he isnt a nice piece, but having him as a better asset than Risacher is quite the take.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think they give up Risharche way before giving up Johnson. He was awesome this yr before the injury. Can they sign and trade Capela to us with him?

I'd love to get Johnson. But honestly mind of want Dyson Daniels more for his elite defensive potential and size at PG/ SG. Overall though, I'd probably rank it like:

1- Jalen Johnson.
2- Dyson Daniels.
3- Zacharie Risarcher.

And I'm not sure if I'd honestly keep Risarcher or trade him for other pieces or picks? I'd also highly value the 13th and 22nd picks for their ranges in this draft. Most likely targeting Collin Murray Boyles or Cedric Coward at 13. And then Maxime Raynaud at 22. And then at 29, Adou Thiero for sure!

I think this valuation of Daniels is quite rosy. He's a really good defensive playmaker but 'elite' as an overall defender might be stretching it. And his offense is still (and likely to always be) a problem.

Not that he isnt a nice piece, but having him as a better asset than Risacher is quite the take.

Is 1st team all defense not considered elite? Is leading the entire league in deflections and in stocks not considered elite? Is being the 2nd youngest guard in nba history to make 1st team all defense behind only kobe Bryant himself not considered elite? Even though his accolades should clearly substantiate my position with my assessment of his value, This is just a case of "to each their own" "eye of the beholder" opinion.

But for equitable perspective, Zacharie Risarcher was a #1 pick that's a 6'8 wiry forward that only averaged 12 points/ 3 rebounds/ 1.2 assists on 45% FG and 35% from three. He might become a versatile two way PF, But definitely hasn't been amazing or shown anything outlier in his rookie season yet.

At best, he's been solid, but has also had a pretty mixed season with his frequent shooting inconsistencies and defensive lapses. So what could we assess his realistic outcome to be? Maybe a skinnier Tobias Harris? Or maybe at best a slightly lesser MPJr?

Now Dyson Daniels is also 6'8 and lanky, and averaged 14 points/ 6 rebounds/ 4 assists on 49% FG/ 34% 3 PT and defensively, has been exceptionally good, earning the 2024-25 NBA Most Improved Player award and being named to the All-Defensive First Team.

Daniels in his 3rd year, has also led the league in steals and set an all-time NBA record for deflections, earning him the nickname "The Great Barrier Thief."

Daniels is also a rising star in the league, and he's known for his defensive prowess and ability to steal the ball.  He just led the entire league in stocks with 284, and in deflections with 443.

So while Risarcher might be the marginally better statistical shooter, Daniels is significantly better already defensively and could very likely have a realistic outcome of a bigger 6'8 Alex Caruso or maybe Gary Payton as a perennial 1st team all defensive player at the guard position.

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So while asset valuation between the two may be highly subjective, I'll stand firm to my position that Daniels is/ will become the better asset. And especially in this current NBA climate given how strong defensive impact has produced success in the postseason for top teams

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[Slim Charless]

I think they give up Risharche way before giving up Johnson. He was awesome this yr before the injury. Can they sign and trade Capela to us with him?

I'd love to get Johnson. But honestly mind of want Dyson Daniels more for his elite defensive potential and size at PG/ SG. Overall though, I'd probably rank it like:

1- Jalen Johnson.
2- Dyson Daniels.
3- Zacharie Risarcher.

And I'm not sure if I'd honestly keep Risarcher or trade him for other pieces or picks? I'd also highly value the 13th and 22nd picks for their ranges in this draft. Most likely targeting Collin Murray Boyles or Cedric Coward at 13. And then Maxime Raynaud at 22. And then at 29, Adou Thiero for sure!

I think this valuation of Daniels is quite rosy. He's a really good defensive playmaker but 'elite' as an overall defender might be stretching it. And his offense is still (and likely to always be) a problem.

Not that he isnt a nice piece, but having him as a better asset than Risacher is quite the take.

Idk bro. He's pretty elite, especially at getting steals. I think they'll wanna hold onto him too actually as he's the perfect SG to play next someone like Trae.

With KD there, they'll be in win now mode too and will need him there for defense.

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I'm glad that didn't go through, I'm not big on kuminga

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Definitely going to be Vassell with either one keldon or Barnes, pick 14 as the main 3 pieces.

Hopefully we can at least squeeze a few more picks out of it if there really are all these teams interested.

Although I'm not sure what we are doing with beal, book, and vassell on the same roster