Minnesota gets their next (Judy) Garland

[ReggiesKnicks]

I don’t think cleveland would do this- I think if anything they are looking for a consolidation trade or a 1:1 swap for a better fit. What they don’t need is the $1.00 for a bunch of quarters and dimes trade

Why don't they? This gives them two players who fit extremely well with Mitchell in the back-court, are cost-controlled and a 1st. It gets Cleveland breathing room to make a consolidation trade mid-season or next off-season.

Because they could just keep Garland and have a much better team next season.

That's true, though I wouldn't consider them "much better". To each their own on evaluations.

I expect Cleveland to run it back. They have an owner who has shown a willingness to pay the Tax throughout his tenure and Cleveland was the best team in the East when healthy.

This trade isn't about what my most likely outcome for a Cleveland off-season is. Instead, it is "If Cleveland moves Garland, what's a direction that makes sense?" And to me, splitting Garland into multiple pieces is far more achievable and likely than upgrading Garland.

[Mr Loggins]

Why don't they? This gives them two players who fit extremely well with Mitchell in the back-court, are cost-controlled and a 1st. It gets Cleveland breathing room to make a consolidation trade mid-season or next off-season.

Because they could just keep Garland and have a much better team next season.

That's true, though I wouldn't consider them "much better". To each their own on evaluations.

I expect Cleveland to run it back. They have an owner who has shown a willingness to pay the Tax throughout his tenure and Cleveland was the best team in the East when healthy.

This trade isn't about what my most likely outcome for a Cleveland off-season is. Instead, it is "If Cleveland moves Garland, what's a direction that makes sense?" And to me, splitting Garland into multiple pieces is far more achievable and likely than upgrading Garland.

ok, but splitting him to make the team *worse* isn’t a sensible path forward…

[ReggiesKnicks]

Because they could just keep Garland and have a much better team next season.

That's true, though I wouldn't consider them "much better". To each their own on evaluations.

I expect Cleveland to run it back. They have an owner who has shown a willingness to pay the Tax throughout his tenure and Cleveland was the best team in the East when healthy.

This trade isn't about what my most likely outcome for a Cleveland off-season is. Instead, it is "If Cleveland moves Garland, what's a direction that makes sense?" And to me, splitting Garland into multiple pieces is far more achievable and likely than upgrading Garland.

ok, but splitting him to make the team *worse* isn’t a sensible path forward…

One step back and two steps forward.

I expected Minnesota to take a step back at the time of the trade with New York AND I thought the trade was exceptional for their long-term outlook.

[jbk1234]

Why don't they? This gives them two players who fit extremely well with Mitchell in the back-court, are cost-controlled and a 1st. It gets Cleveland breathing room to make a consolidation trade mid-season or next off-season.

Because they could just keep Garland and have a much better team next season.

That's true, though I wouldn't consider them "much better". To each their own on evaluations.

I expect Cleveland to run it back. They have an owner who has shown a willingness to pay the Tax throughout his tenure and Cleveland was the best team in the East when healthy.

This trade isn't about what my most likely outcome for a Cleveland off-season is. Instead, it is "If Cleveland moves Garland, what's a direction that makes sense?" And to me, splitting Garland into multiple pieces is far more achievable and likely than upgrading Garland.

I have DDV as behind Stus and Hunter on the depth chart, but even if you don't, what's the appreciable difference between DDV and Strus or Hunter? Can anyone credibly claim Mann and Dillingham better options than Ty and Merrill? Are Dillingham and Mann even playable in the playoffs? That Cavs team is worse.

I'm sure a team like Brooklyn would be happy to swap Garland for Cam Johnson who might actually start for us, save us some money, and would even add draft capital. I wouldn't do that trade, but at least I could see the logic.

[facothomas22]

This is underwhelming for the Cavaliers. While they would gladly take Donte DiVincenzo, the 13th pick isn't quite enough to bridge the gap. The Cavaliers would simply run into the same or even worse issues with the Donovan Mitchell/Rob Dillingham backcourt compared to the Donovan Mitchell/Darius Garland backcourt and unless the pick is a high lottery pick and it's someone they like around that range, the Cavaliers going to be looking for future draft capital instead of a pick in the low teens this year because they are running low in terms of draft assets due to the Donovan Mitchel trade.

[doogie_hauser]

As a side note (not related to any Wolves side of this) i wonder if Garland becomes unsettled/disconcerted with the Cavs management (reportedly) shopping him around and will demand/ask for a trade?

Just spiralling here but The Cavs are kind of playing with fire here tbh

[jbk1234]

As a side note (not related to any Wolves side of this) i wonder if Garland becomes unsettled/disconcerted with the Cavs management (reportedly) shopping him around and will demand/ask for a trade?

Just spiralling here but The Cavs are kind of playing with fire here tbh

I know it's a distinction without a difference to many fans, but they're reportedly just listening to offers. They did last summer as well. He was still on the roster during training camp. Players rarely demand a trade off a 64-win team. Kyrie spent seven years on teams that didn't enjoy playoff success after his trade demand.

[moss_is_1]

Decent idea but not something I think Minnesota would be interested in. This destroys the defense. Not only losing an elite rim protector and anchor of our defense, but getting maybe the worst defender in all the NBA in Garland as well. Offense obviously becomes much more potent, but feel it's not worth it here.

[Astaluego]

Decent idea but not something I think Minnesota would be interested in. This destroys the defense. Not only losing an elite rim protector and anchor of our defense, but getting maybe the worst defender in all the NBA in Garland as well. Offense obviously becomes much more potent, but feel it's not worth it here.

Is Garland a much worse defender than the current Conley? I believe Conley has been the starting guard for a WOLVES team with good defense...
Side note: I wonder if this could get bigger with NOP receiving Dillingham/Mann/Okoro +13 and the CAVS Murray +7?
..on paper and assuming Murray recovers well from his injury+ (Donte and the national team) the defense/flexibility could make the Cavs a better team and extend their window.

[schaffy]

Decent idea but not something I think Minnesota would be interested in. This destroys the defense. Not only losing an elite rim protector and anchor of our defense, but getting maybe the worst defender in all the NBA in Garland as well. Offense obviously becomes much more potent, but feel it's not worth it here.

Is Garland a much worse defender than the current Conley? I believe Conley has been the starting guard for a WOLVES team with good defense...
Side note: I wonder if this could get bigger with NOP receiving Dillingham/Mann/Okoro +13 and the CAVS Murray +7?
..on paper and assuming Murray recovers well from his injury+ (Donte and the national team) the defense/flexibility could make the Cavs a better team and extend their window.

No hes not much worse. But that good defense you mention also had Gobert as the backbone of it. Here he gets shipped out. It seems a little disingenuous to imply that because they had a good defense with Conley they still could with Garland, when not taking into account the primary reason for that defense is also leaving in the deal.

And Conley saw his minutes managed down to less then 25 a game, and the guys getting those other minutes (NAW, DDV) are positive defenders. The assumption would seem to be if Garland is coming in he'd play more minutes, leaving a sub-par defender on the court for longer stretches.

[moss_is_1]

Decent idea but not something I think Minnesota would be interested in. This destroys the defense. Not only losing an elite rim protector and anchor of our defense, but getting maybe the worst defender in all the NBA in Garland as well. Offense obviously becomes much more potent, but feel it's not worth it here.

Is Garland a much worse defender than the current Conley? I believe Conley has been the starting guard for a WOLVES team with good defense...
Side note: I wonder if this could get bigger with NOP receiving Dillingham/Mann/Okoro +13 and the CAVS Murray +7?
..on paper and assuming Murray recovers well from his injury+ (Donte and the national team) the defense/flexibility could make the Cavs a better team and extend their window.

Conley is still pretty high level defender, he struggles on ball against bigger guys of course but his length and smarts make him a positive defender.

[BigGargamel]

I do think that the Cavs may need to break up their undersized back court, but to not even get a starter in return for Garland seems like a loss to me. Cleveland is going for it. They need win now guys, not projects and middling draft picks. Dillingham is a long ways away, if ever.

[doogie_hauser]

Apparently Orlando have made enquires about Garland but The Cavs don't want to trade him to a likely contender in the East.

Maybe Houston could be an option ?

[ReggiesKnicks]

Apparently Orlando have made enquires about Garland but The Cavs don't want to trade him to a likely contender in the East.

Maybe Houston could be an option ?

Does Cleveland know of an additional move Orlando makes to vault them to contender status?

[DowJones]

Decent idea but not something I think Minnesota would be interested in. This destroys the defense. Not only losing an elite rim protector and anchor of our defense, but getting maybe the worst defender in all the NBA in Garland as well. Offense obviously becomes much more potent, but feel it's not worth it here.

Whoa, “worst defender in the entire NBA” is complete nonsense. Garland’s defensive metrics are average. He is physically limited, but he gives good effort.

[doogie_hauser]

Apparently Orlando have made enquires about Garland but The Cavs don't want to trade him to a likely contender in the East.

Maybe Houston could be an option ?

Does Cleveland know of an additional move Orlando makes to vault them to contender status?

The Magic are really not far away from being a legit top 4 team in the East. Definitely could use another high scoring 2 way wing type.

If Paolo can have a Cade Cunningham break out season in 25-26 (and stays healthy obviously) making the East Finals is not beyond Orlando.

They did wobble into the playoffs injury decimated.