Trade Talk (Part 17): Early Offseason Planning

[BlacJacMac]

Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.

I would put Derrick White in your group to help the Boston youngsters get to the Finals. He is by far my #1 target for our Timberwolves to get this off season. And fortuitously for us, Boston just might unload him with the Tatum injury. What would be the price for White?

A lot.

Dude is a fantastic 2-way player than can legit start at either guard position for a contender. Is still just 30 years old (for another month) and is on a very reasonable contract for the next 3-4 years.

Boston is going to do everything they can to keep him, but if he goes on the block, I don't think we have the right pieces to get him.

[BlacJacMac]

Is Reid (s&t) + 17th pick for Harrison Barnes and Castle realistic?

It sounds like the Spurs are much higher on Castle.

Fox maybe? Even though the Spurs have given him guarantees, I just don’t know if he’s still in their future. Harper is clearly the second best player in this draft, and has a star ceiling. He, Castle and Fox are all guards who need starter minutes, and if I’m building around Wemby, I’d stick with the two with the young upside. I could see them using Fox in a KD trade, or even something with us.

I wish I liked Fox more. But I feel like if they trade him, he's going to cost more than he's worth and he's going to get a stupid large contract.

[shrink]

I could see them using Fox in a KD trade, or even something with us.

I wish I liked Fox more. But I feel like if they trade him, he's going to cost more than he's worth and he's going to get a stupid large contract.

I’m with you. And there is the added risk that he simply walks, and we traded assets for a one year rental.

[shrink]

I wonder how much Jabari Smith would really cost in trade? Whoever has him needs to negotiate a number for his next contract. I still like his upside, but the Rockets have so many other players with upside.

Rockets often play the 6-6 Dillon Brooks at PF, and they are ripe for a consolidation trade. Maybe they’d be interested in Texas boy Julius Randle in a S&T for Jabari, Londale (a back up center could help us), plus …?

EDIT: If Durant gets snapped up by the Spurs, I think HOU’s interest in Randle would increase.

[cmoss84]

Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.

I would put Derrick White in your group to help the Boston youngsters get to the Finals. He is by far my #1 target for our Timberwolves to get this off season. And fortuitously for us, Boston just might unload him with the Tatum injury. What would be the price for White?

A lot.

Dude is a fantastic 2-way player than can legit start at either guard position for a contender. Is still just 30 years old (for another month) and is on a very reasonable contract for the next 3-4 years.

Boston is going to do everything they can to keep him, but if he goes on the block, I don't think we have the right pieces to get him.

Would you trade Naz and DD for White?

[Norseman79]

I wonder how much Jabari Smith would really cost in trade? Whoever has him needs to negotiate a number for his next contract. I still like his upside, but the Rockets have so many other players with upside.

Rockets often play the 6-6 Dillon Brooks at PF, and they are ripe for a consolidation trade. Maybe they’d be interested in Texas boy Julius Randle in a S&T for Jabari, Londale (a back up center could help us), plus …?

And get him locked in to his next deal right away so if he does blow up, he is affordable. Big JSJr fan.

[BlacJacMac]

I would put Derrick White in your group to help the Boston youngsters get to the Finals. He is by far my #1 target for our Timberwolves to get this off season. And fortuitously for us, Boston just might unload him with the Tatum injury. What would be the price for White?

A lot.

Dude is a fantastic 2-way player than can legit start at either guard position for a contender. Is still just 30 years old (for another month) and is on a very reasonable contract for the next 3-4 years.

Boston is going to do everything they can to keep him, but if he goes on the block, I don't think we have the right pieces to get him.

Would you trade Naz and DD for White?

In a heartbeat.

[Norseman79]

I would put Derrick White in your group to help the Boston youngsters get to the Finals. He is by far my #1 target for our Timberwolves to get this off season. And fortuitously for us, Boston just might unload him with the Tatum injury. What would be the price for White?

A lot.

Dude is a fantastic 2-way player than can legit start at either guard position for a contender. Is still just 30 years old (for another month) and is on a very reasonable contract for the next 3-4 years.

Boston is going to do everything they can to keep him, but if he goes on the block, I don't think we have the right pieces to get him.

Would you trade Naz and DD for White?

I wouldn't, some probably would.

[Note30]

A lot.

Dude is a fantastic 2-way player than can legit start at either guard position for a contender. Is still just 30 years old (for another month) and is on a very reasonable contract for the next 3-4 years.

Boston is going to do everything they can to keep him, but if he goes on the block, I don't think we have the right pieces to get him.

Would you trade Naz and DD for White?

I wouldn't, some probably would.

In a heartbeat. If he was our sixth man we'd be so much better instantly.

[BlacJacMac]

Would you trade Naz and DD for White?

I wouldn't, some probably would.

In a heartbeat. If he was our sixth man we'd be so much better instantly.

I'd start him next to Ant.

[lewdog]

Denver traded for Aaron Gordon to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Indiana traded for Pascal Siakam to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.
Oklahoma City traded for Alex Caruso to help a young core take a next step into the Finals.

This is the type of move that I think we need to figure out. I highly doubt it's Kevin Durant. But maybe his trade value has fallen to a point to where it could be? But then, can we win that bidding war?!

I hate to say it, but one of the few guys who I keep coming back to who could fit this category is Dillon Brooks. I think Bobby Portis could be an interesting target. Josh Hart is another. I think these three all represent something that this team seems to lack. A little bit of that Patrick Beverley/Jarred Vanderbilt edge, if you will.

I would put Derrick White in your group to help the Boston youngsters get to the Finals. He is by far my #1 target for our Timberwolves to get this off season. And fortuitously for us, Boston just might unload him with the Tatum injury. What would be the price for White?

A lot.

Dude is a fantastic 2-way player than can legit start at either guard position for a contender. Is still just 30 years old (for another month) and is on a very reasonable contract for the next 3-4 years.

Boston is going to do everything they can to keep him, but if he goes on the block, I don't think we have the right pieces to get him.

I think we actually do have several enticing pieces to get White if Boston would be willing to part with him.
S & T Naz
Dillingham
Shannon
17th Pick
31st Pick
I'm leaving Donte off that list. I know it sounds crazy, but he, Ant and McDaniels are on my untouchable list.

[shrink]

It dawns on me that this offseason could be highly different for free agency, and it will benefit the Wolves.

People have already discussed that BRK is the only team with cap space, so most players need to get paid by their current teams. Good time to have three key pieces (Randle, Naz and NAW), looking for new deals.

The other important part is that nearly all teams are trying to improve. 13-14 teams in the West have playoff ambitions, and in the East, the decline of BOS, and success of IND, probably has many Eastern teams thinking, “why not us?”

With free agency limited, teams can only improve through trades. In most years, sign-and-trades had little trade value, because players and opposing teams could offer cap space. Sometimes the trading team would even ADD value, to get a TPE, when they traded a decent player. This year though, we may see sign-and-trades have some real trade value, as players must work with their original teams, and opposing teams need compete against other trade offers to add talent.

[minimus]

I'd advice against buying high on BOS players. They overperformed last season, but I'd rather wait until price is low and BOS trade urgency is high. My perfect scenario would be buying low those players who has low current value because of injuries (see Randle example) or dont fit in rebuilding teams.

P.S. I wish MIN traded for Deni Avdija when he was in WAS.

[Battletrigger]

I would put Derrick White in your group to help the Boston youngsters get to the Finals. He is by far my #1 target for our Timberwolves to get this off season. And fortuitously for us, Boston just might unload him with the Tatum injury. What would be the price for White?

A lot.

Dude is a fantastic 2-way player than can legit start at either guard position for a contender. Is still just 30 years old (for another month) and is on a very reasonable contract for the next 3-4 years.

Boston is going to do everything they can to keep him, but if he goes on the block, I don't think we have the right pieces to get him.

Would you trade Naz and DD for White?

No doubt and then resign Randle.

[cmoss84]

Here's my "IF" trade of the day (works on spotrac):
IF Miami likes Randle. IF Miami likes Naz. IF Miami buys into RD as their PG of the future. IF Miami is willing to move forward with Ware instead of Bam.
IF San Antonio does not want to pay a hefty price for KD.
IF Phoenix does not get a better deal from someone else.
IF we want to blow it up.

Miami IN: Randle, NAZ, RD, Garza, pick #31
Miami OUT: Bam, JJJ, Keshad Johnson, #20
Depth:
Herro/Wiggins/Jovic/Randle/Ware
Rozier/Robinson/Highsmith/Kyle/NAZ
(would be under 1st apron)

Phoenix IN: Rudy, JJJ, TSJ, #17, #20
Phoenix OUT: KD and Oso Ighodaro
Depth:
Beal/Booker/JJJ/O'Neal/Rudy
Micic/Allen/Martin/Dunn/TSJ/Richards/#17/#20
(would be 2nd apron-this franchise is in a BAD position)

Minnesota IN: KD, Bam, Keshad Johnson, Oso Ighodaro
Minnesota OUT: Randle, Naz, RD, Garza, TSJ, #17, #31
Depth:
Mike/Ant/Jaden/KD/Bam
DD/Clark/Minott/Miller
(would be 1st apron-enough cap to sign FA point guard and C)

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[moss_is_1]

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No doubt the player is a great fit for everything we want, but I feel like hes just damaged goods. If the price is cheap, then sure. He makes $10m, so Mike or Ddv territory. Unless we expand, they have guys like Coby White, Jalen Smith, Vucevic who they may want to move as well as picks 12 and 45.

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No doubt the player is a great fit for everything we want, but I feel like hes just damaged goods. If the price is cheap, then sure. He makes $10m, so Mike or Ddv territory. Unless we expand, they have guys like Coby White, Jalen Smith, Vucevic who they may want to move as well as picks 12 and 45.

My perspective is that Conley will be back for likely his last season and I believe the team still has high expectations for Dillingham. So if those two are back, any addition at PG can't be someone who needs 35-40 mpg.

[shrink]

Ok, this might be an incredibly embarrassing idea, but I’ve been wondering how aggressive HOU gets at consolidating if SAS steps in and gets Kevin Durant. On draft night ..

HOU GETS: Julius Randle
MIN GETS: Jabari Smith + Reed Sheppard + Jock Londale + $2 mil in payroll relief

WHY HOU MIGHT: The Rockets were a good defensive team last year, but only 12th in OFF RTG. They start 6-6 Dillon Brooks at PF. They drafted Jabari Smith and Sheppard very highly, but neither start - Sheppard is deeply buried. These players have upside, but are very expensive from their high picks, and Jabari needs a new contract, Are they ready to abandon their lottery picks in exchange for cleaner books, and a starter? This also steals from a western contender.

WHY MIN MIGHT: They gamble that one of these two lottery picks is going to pay off. Sheppard might become the PG we need, Jabari continues as a back up PF behind Naz, and Londale is useful as a back up center. Maybe allows us to keep NAW.

Conley, Sheppard, Dillingham. (And Conley gradually fades out after this year)
Ant, DiVincenzo, Clark
McDaniels, NAW, TSJ
Naz, Jabari, LMiller
Gobert, Londale, Garza

On the downside, these guys are expensive Sheppard ($10.6, Jabari $12.3) , and it gives us 13 guys that need minutes. However, it could lead to a good young group around Ant in two years. Maybe we ship off TSJ and Clark for future late picks.