2025 NBA Draft (2)

[Iverson Armband]

Everything is shaping up for Morey to play the Hornets like a fiddle and I’m here for it.

[Jailblazers7]

Ok the “sees himself as a PG” quote is giving me PTSD flashbacks. I need to re-evaluate my list now.

[stormi]

The only thing holding me back from VJ is his wingspan or his height. If he was 6'7 in shoes or had a 6'10 wingspan, I'd be all in with both feet on this pick.

Otherwise, the stats are there even if they aren't perfect.

Height w/out shoes / Wingspan / Weight / Standing Reach

Jrue Holiday: 6' 3 ¼'' / 6' 7'' / 199.0 / 8' 4 ½

Derrick White: 6' 3 ¼'' / 6' 7 ½'' / 189.8 / 8'5 ½"

VJ Edgecombe: 6'4 / 6'7 ½" / 193.2 lbs and 8'5 ½"

He's still super raw on offense for his age, but he’s a special athlete, the defense will be a plus from day 1 & I buy into the shooting indicators long term.

[the_process]

The only thing holding me back from VJ is his wingspan or his height. If he was 6'7 in shoes or had a 6'10 wingspan, I'd be all in with both feet on this pick.

Otherwise, the stats are there even if they aren't perfect.

If VJ was 6'8", he'd be the unanimous pick around here.

He'd probably be challenging Harper for #2.

[the_process]

Everything is shaping up for Morey to play the Hornets like a fiddle and I’m here for it.

This would be a welcomed turn of events.

[Iverson Armband]

People should watch some recent videos on VJ’s defense or listen to Nate Duncan. Hint: not good.

[WuTang_CMB]

Everything is shaping up for Morey to play the Hornets like a fiddle and I’m here for it.

this.

[Negrodamus]

People should watch some recent videos on VJ’s defense or listen to Nate Duncan. Hint: not good.

I think off ball he was ball watching a bit too much. I don't think that's a tough one to break the habit. He was one of the best at the top of the draft in ISO plays and PnR plays.

[Arsenal]

The only thing holding me back from VJ is his wingspan or his height. If he was 6'7 in shoes or had a 6'10 wingspan, I'd be all in with both feet on this pick.

Otherwise, the stats are there even if they aren't perfect.

Height w/out shoes / Wingspan / Weight / Standing Reach

Jrue Holiday: 6' 3 ¼'' / 6' 7'' / 199.0 / 8' 4 ½

Derrick White: 6' 3 ¼'' / 6' 7 ½'' / 189.8 / 8'5 ½"

VJ Edgecombe: 6'4 / 6'7 ½" / 193.2 lbs and 8'5 ½"

He's still super raw on offense for his age, but he’s a special athlete, the defense will be a plus from day 1 & I buy into the shooting indicators long term.

Jrue Holiday was picked #17 overall. Derrick White was picked #29 overall. And rightly so since while they're both good players, they are both no more than 3rd or 4th options on a contender.

Accordingly, VJ has no business being picked #3 overall. Trade down to the late lotto and that's a good place to take him.

[Negrodamus]

Everything is shaping up for Morey to play the Hornets like a fiddle and I’m here for it.

So we're thinking the Hornets expending assets to swap spots with us so they can get Edgecombe? I don't know, feels unlikely.

[Arsenal]

The only thing holding me back from VJ is his wingspan or his height. If he was 6'7 in shoes or had a 6'10 wingspan, I'd be all in with both feet on this pick.

Otherwise, the stats are there even if they aren't perfect.

If VJ was 6'8", he'd be the unanimous pick around here.

He'd probably be challenging Harper for #2.

Exactly. Unfortunately he is not 6'8" nor does he have a plus wingspan for his mediocre height, which is why he has no business being picked at #3.

[stormi]

People should watch some recent videos on VJ’s defense or listen to Nate Duncan. Hint: not good.

He has some of the best dFG guarding the P&R & dFG defending iso's this millenia.

High level defense, shooting and connectivity/feel (A:TO) display him as a malleable and winning player from day 1, which is worth a top four selection in this draft class. I'm not sure Tre or Ace ever reach the impact of stage 1 VJ.

[stormi]

The only thing holding me back from VJ is his wingspan or his height. If he was 6'7 in shoes or had a 6'10 wingspan, I'd be all in with both feet on this pick.

Otherwise, the stats are there even if they aren't perfect.

Height w/out shoes / Wingspan / Weight / Standing Reach

Jrue Holiday: 6' 3 ¼'' / 6' 7'' / 199.0 / 8' 4 ½

Derrick White: 6' 3 ¼'' / 6' 7 ½'' / 189.8 / 8'5 ½"

VJ Edgecombe: 6'4 / 6'7 ½" / 193.2 lbs and 8'5 ½"

He's still super raw on offense for his age, but he’s a special athlete, the defense will be a plus from day 1 & I buy into the shooting indicators long term.

Jrue Holiday was picked #17 overall. Derrick White was picked #29 overall. And rightly so since while they're both good players, they are both no more than 3rd or 4th options on a contender.

Accordingly, VJ has no business being picked #3 overall. Trade down to the late lotto and that's a good place to take him.

In a redrafts those are clear top five picks.

You learn and adjust from historical mishaps, you don't repeat errors.

[zaz102]

Everything is shaping up for Morey to play the Hornets like a fiddle and I’m here for it.

So we're thinking the Hornets expending assets to swap spots with us so they can get Edgecombe? I don't know, feels unlikely.

The report says Charlotte will most likely select Edgecombe at #4 if he's there and that Washington might want to move up for Edgecombe. Obviously depends on how bad both of these teams would want VJ, but certainly possible.

[Iverson Armband]

Everything is shaping up for Morey to play the Hornets like a fiddle and I’m here for it.

So we're thinking the Hornets expending assets to swap spots with us so they can get Edgecombe? I don't know, feels unlikely.

Why not? Seems like the next Jrue Holiday on steroids would fit in wonderfully next to LaMelo Ball..

[Stanford]

Damn, VJ really would be a sick fit next to Melo (La).

[Negrodamus]

Everything is shaping up for Morey to play the Hornets like a fiddle and I’m here for it.

So we're thinking the Hornets expending assets to swap spots with us so they can get Edgecombe? I don't know, feels unlikely.

The report says Charlotte will most likely select Edgecombe at #4 if he's there and that Washington might want to move up for Edgecombe. Obviously depends on how bad both of these teams would want VJ, but certainly possible.

Why would anyone want to trade up for Edgecombe when there's a perfectly good 6'9 superstar right there?

Morey is going to overthink it and let someone trade up to possibly steal Ace from right under our noses?

[CPops57]

Kon is a complementary player, not a primary playmaker. I'd be fine drafting him after a trade down, but absolutely not at #3 overall. That high you need to swing for a primary playmaker.

For Kneuppel's position, I agree that better shot creation is sort of his swing attribute that would vault him past being some kind of connective sniper high-end role player into Chris-Mullin-ish territory. Right now, it's fair to say that he's not an elite full-time NBA creator, though for context, absolutely nobody else at #3 is that right now either.

But the question is, can he realistically get there? He doesn't have the high-end athleticism of course. But he does have a great shooting ability, and decent handle/vision for his position.

So IMO, he really needs refinement in 2 things:

His handle needs to get __% better. He doesn't need to be like Kyrie or AI, but a little tighter ball control will be very useful for his driving, creating shots in tight space, and relocating for shots.

He needs to master a pull-up jumper and floater to give himself a few extra offensive options.

Aren't both of those completely realistic modest refinements of existing skills that he already possesses that are within a realistic development curve for a self-aware, disciplined guy who is by all accounts a very hard worker?



PS: I think we're all in agreement that regardless of who the pick is, we'd all ideally prefer the Sixers trade down and get more value if we love a guy and know he'll be there later. The ideal is to figure out who wants to draft somebody you don't want, and trade down with them.

[OleSchool]

Simmons went to LSU and he didn't make the tourney

And the rest of the LSU COMBINED didn't have the talent that Harper has

That's a good point. I could see his assist numbers being higher since he's a point, but I would think he would have problems getting to rim or generating free throws. He had really strong assist, rim, and free throw numbers.

Maybe I'm overthinking how much the crap team impacted Ace.

No, Rutgers was much worse than Ben's LSU team. FIVE players from that Tigers squad played in the NBA.

For this Rutgers team it will be Ace and Harper and that's it.

Of those 5 players how many of them are slated to go 2 and 3 in the draft?

[zaz102]

So we're thinking the Hornets expending assets to swap spots with us so they can get Edgecombe? I don't know, feels unlikely.

The report says Charlotte will most likely select Edgecombe at #4 if he's there and that Washington might want to move up for Edgecombe. Obviously depends on how bad both of these teams would want VJ, but certainly possible.

Why would anyone want to trade up for Edgecombe when there's a perfectly good 6'9 superstar right there?

Morey is going to overthink it and let someone trade up to possibly steal Ace from right under our noses?

That might be the case. I'm sure different teams have different rankings / tiers. I wouldn't say that either scenario (teams trading up or staying pat) are hard to believe.

I'm pretty sure I'm a Tre guy at this point, so I would probably be most thrilled if they were able to trade back and pick him, but I'm trusting Morey at this point.