Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

michaelm · Post #321 » by **michaelm** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:02 am

DimesandKnicks wrote:
SportsGuru08 wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
What year?

Specifically '95-96

Why does the last 30 games of the season disregard the first 50? He averaged 19, 6 and 6 for the season and finished second in DPOY. Who on the Sixers was an amalgamation of that?

The contention was that he could be the leader of a championship caliber team.

Black Jack · Post #322 » by **Black Jack** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:14 am

NZB2323 wrote:
Black Jack wrote:Toni Kukoc is now crazy underrated, did nobody else see Phil using him as #1 option in the playoffs for a ecf run the year MJ was retired???

Klay is better but Kukoc isnt like way worse than Klay either. And Bulls in prime Kukoc > old Heatles Ray Allen.

Honestly if Kukoc pkayed today a lot of you would be his stans.

The Bulls didn’t make the ECF when Jordan retired, and Kukoc averaged 9.3 ppg in those playoffs.

you got me but he hit that shot and it was his rookie year right?

I still maintain Kukoc was super skilled especially for being that tall!

thamadkant · Post #323 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 7:21 am

Bulls were home grown super team. Until Harper, Rodman came over.
Phil, MJ, Pippen, Kukoc, Harper, Rodman and good fitting role players definitely a Super Team by definition. But again, not like the Heat super team where they colluded and left their teams to join up in Miami.

DimesandKnicks · Post #324 » by **DimesandKnicks** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:59 pm

michaelm wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
SportsGuru08 wrote:
Specifically '95-96

Why does the last 30 games of the season disregard the first 50? He averaged 19, 6 and 6 for the season and finished second in DPOY. Who on the Sixers was an amalgamation of that?

The contention was that he could be the leader of a championship caliber team.

SportsGuru08 wrote:My only point is that the '01 Sixers met his personal criteria for a super team and he didn't even realize it. All I did was call him out on it.

You think it’s a silly take too huh?

NZB2323 · Post #325 » by **NZB2323** » Sat Jun 14, 2025 5:14 pm

Black Jack wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
Black Jack wrote:Toni Kukoc is now crazy underrated, did nobody else see Phil using him as #1 option in the playoffs for a ecf run the year MJ was retired???

Klay is better but Kukoc isnt like way worse than Klay either. And Bulls in prime Kukoc > old Heatles Ray Allen.

Honestly if Kukoc pkayed today a lot of you would be his stans.

The Bulls didn’t make the ECF when Jordan retired, and Kukoc averaged 9.3 ppg in those playoffs.

you got me but he hit that shot and it was his rookie year right?

I still maintain Kukoc was super skilled especially for being that tall!

He hit that shot, it was his rookie year, and Kukoc did have talent.

SportsGuru08 · Post #326 » by **SportsGuru08** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:21 pm

DimesandKnicks wrote:
SportsGuru08 wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
What year?

Specifically '95-96

Why does the last 30 games of the season disregard the first 50? He averaged 19, 6 and 6 for the season and finished second in DPOY. Who on the Sixers was an amalgamation of that?

That's nearly 40% of a NBA regular season. That's not chump change.

Rubios · Post #327 » by **Rubios** » Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:58 pm

The two three-peat ones?
Yes, obviously,

DimesandKnicks · Post #328 » by **DimesandKnicks** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:16 am

SportsGuru08 wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
SportsGuru08 wrote:
Specifically '95-96

Why does the last 30 games of the season disregard the first 50? He averaged 19, 6 and 6 for the season and finished second in DPOY. Who on the Sixers was an amalgamation of that?

That's nearly 40% of a NBA regular season. That's not chump change.

For the entirety of the season he averaged 19, 6 and 6 was all nba 1st all 1TAD and finished second in DPOY voting. Why are you guys going overtime to diminish his impact? Again, who is the Iverson’s Sixers version of him?

SportsGuru08 · Post #329 » by **SportsGuru08** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:43 am

DimesandKnicks wrote:
SportsGuru08 wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
Why does the last 30 games of the season disregard the first 50? He averaged 19, 6 and 6 for the season and finished second in DPOY. Who on the Sixers was an amalgamation of that?

That's nearly 40% of a NBA regular season. That's not chump change.

For the entirety of the season he averaged 19, 6 and 6 was all nba 1st all 1TAD and finished second in DPOY voting. Why are you guys going overtime to diminish his impact? Again, who is the Iverson’s Sixers version of him?

For 40% of the season he was only a little better than Aaron McKie.

Besides it's a joke that he was even in consideration. Malone, Robinson and even Penny has better cases.

DimesandKnicks · Post #330 » by **DimesandKnicks** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:07 am

SportsGuru08 wrote:
DimesandKnicks wrote:
SportsGuru08 wrote:
That's nearly 40% of a NBA regular season. That's not chump change.

For the entirety of the season he averaged 19, 6 and 6 was all nba 1st all 1TAD and finished second in DPOY voting. Why are you guys going overtime to diminish his impact? Again, who is the Iverson’s Sixers version of him?

For 40% of the season he was only a little better than Aaron McKie.

Besides it's a joke that he was even in consideration. Malone, Robinson and even Penny has better cases.

Got it

dhsilv2 · Post #331 » by **dhsilv2** » Tue Jun 17, 2025 2:14 am

NZB2323 wrote:
KazuoOda wrote:
vxmike wrote:No. Jordan and Pippen were drafted and Rodman obtained via trade as a distressed asset that nobody wanted.

“super teams” are when stars collude to play with each other via FA or force trade to certain teams.

That's not what a superteam is........

There’s been some debate about that in this thread.

Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor each got their own movie, and then teamed up for the “Avengers” superteam. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman each got their own movie, and then teamed up for the “Justice League” super team. The Fantastic 4 never each had individual movies, so they don’t really count as a super team.

I’ve never heard Cousy/Havlicek/Russell, or Bird/McHale/Parish, or Magic/Worthy/Kareem, or Duncan/Parker/Ginobili called a superteam. It’s when stars team up after they were each the star of their own team to form a super team, like KG, Pierce, and Ray Allen.

I think given the term super team is newish, we should look back and think about it. Picking your own team wasn't an option historically, but some teams did seemingly have comical advantages. I'll leave it to others to decide what is or isn't but...

Mirotic12 · Post #332 » by **Mirotic12** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:58 pm

I would say no for the first 3 peat team. But definitely yes, without any question, for the second 3 peat team.

That second 3 peat Bulls team was ridiculously stacked.

Post #333 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:53 pm

Do people consider the Steph, Draymond, and Klay Dubs a superteam? Because I don't. Similarly, I don't consider any of the Bulls teams superteams.

Superteams require already established superstar players deciding to team up. When KD decided to join the Warriors, that's when it became a superteam.

Rust_Cohle · Post #334 » by **Rust_Cohle** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:40 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Do people consider the Steph, Draymond, and Klay Dubs a superteam? Because I don't. Similarly, I don't consider any of the Bulls teams superteams.

Superteams require already established superstar players deciding to team up. When KD decided to join the Warriors, that's when it became a superteam.

Lebron in Miami was the first super team

Post #335 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:44 pm

Rust_Cohle wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Do people consider the Steph, Draymond, and Klay Dubs a superteam? Because I don't. Similarly, I don't consider any of the Bulls teams superteams.

Superteams require already established superstar players deciding to team up. When KD decided to join the Warriors, that's when it became a superteam.

Lebron in Miami was the first super team

Boston's Allen, KG, and PP team came before Miami.

Wingy · Post #336 » by **Wingy** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:02 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:Do people consider the Steph, Draymond, and Klay Dubs a superteam? Because I don't. Similarly, I don't consider any of the Bulls teams superteams.

Superteams require already established superstar players deciding to team up. When KD decided to join the Warriors, that's when it became a superteam.

Lebron in Miami was the first super team

Boston's Allen, KG, and PP team came before Miami.

No, that wasn’t player driven. Lebron/Wade/Bosh made the first “super team.”

The name became a part of regular basketball fan vocabulary and usage for that Heat team.

Did other great teams exist before that team formed? Well, duh, yes. But “super team” is a construct of the super friends choosing to band together in their primes, walking away as #1 options from their previous squads.

Side note: I still wanna see what people really honestly think of a Rodman-lead squad where he is their best player, and what team success they would find.

Post #337 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:05 pm

Wingy wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:
Lebron in Miami was the first super team

Boston's Allen, KG, and PP team came before Miami.

No, that wasn’t player driven. Lebron/Wade/Bosh made the first “super team.”

Go read up on the control that KG had in dictating how that team was put together. It was 100% player driven.

STAT_88 · Post #338 » by **STAT_88** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:10 pm

Yes it was a super team. It’s all relative to the era.

Jordan was the only other superstar in the league who had a top 10 player as a teammate. None of the other stars had that.

Hakeem had Clyde for one ring but he wasn’t top 10.

David Robinson has Sean Elliot as his second banana LOL.

Patrick Ewing had no one close to top 10.

Barkley had Kevin Johnson not close to top 10.

Malone had Stockton who was borderline top 10 but wasn’t close to the player Pippen was.

Kemp and Payton had each other but neither was close to a top 10 guy.

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Quattro · Post #339 » by **Quattro** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:38 pm

STAT_88 wrote:Yes it was a super team. It’s all relative to the era.

Jordan was the only other superstar in the league who had a top 10 player as a teammate. None of the other stars had that.

Hakeem had Clyde for one ring but he wasn’t top 10.

David Robinson has Sean Elliot as his second banana LOL.

Patrick Ewing had no one close to top 10.

Barkley had Kevin Johnson not close to top 10.

Malone had Stockton who was borderline top 10 but wasn’t close to the player Pippen was.

Kemp and Payton had each other but neither was close to a top 10 guy.

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Youre wildly underrating Stockton and Drexler and your "top 10" measure is pretty arbitrary.

STAT_88 · Post #340 » by **STAT_88** » Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:58 pm

Quattro wrote:
STAT_88 wrote:Yes it was a super team. It’s all relative to the era.

Jordan was the only other superstar in the league who had a top 10 player as a teammate. None of the other stars had that.

Hakeem had Clyde for one ring but he wasn’t top 10.

David Robinson has Sean Elliot as his second banana LOL.

Patrick Ewing had no one close to top 10.

Barkley had Kevin Johnson not close to top 10.

Malone had Stockton who was borderline top 10 but wasn’t close to the player Pippen was.

Kemp and Payton had each other but neither was close to a top 10 guy.

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Youre wildly underrating Stockton and Drexler and your "top 10" measure is pretty arbitrary.

Scottie Pippen was arguably the 5th best player in the league for most of the 90s.

1. Jordan
2. Hakeem
3. Robinson
4. Malone
5. Barkley

To me these are the only guys who were better than Pippen, and even 4 and 5 are arguable because of Pjppens defense.

No other star other than MJ had anything like that.

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