[Charania] Desmond Bane To Orlando For KCP, Cole Anthony, 4 Unprotected 1st Round Picks And 1 Pick Swap

[LoveMyRaps]

It's our turn



get er done

[Merit]

We can look at it two ways:

Overpay for bane. Boooo we can’t make trades.

Overpay for bane. Scottie, IQ, RJ’s trade value all went up. Significantly.

[Merit]

It's our turn



get er done

No.

Edit: I could’ve been kinder. No thank you and it’s because we can probably get Melo for far less.

[TGM]

Raps fans being typically Raps fans. Calling this an overpay, yet complaining why we never good the good players for a bag of chips.

Bane despite not having made an all-star team is an allstar calibre player. There have been stretches where Ja was suspended or injured and he filled in both as the teams facilitator and scorer.

Let’s break down why it isn’t an overpay:

Bane is 26 and is just about to enter into his prime. You are getting the best of this guy.

Like Bridges he is a two way player, which is quite rare to find. I actually rank Bane higher than Bridges.

Bane is not on a max contract and has 4 years left. Under the new CBA this is the type of contract that lets you compete. A guy who gives you all-star production, but not at an allstar price

Bane’s game fits for almost any team. He is like a D White at SG.

Magic did not want to keep Cole and KCP if anything got overpaid last year. They get out of two deals that they didn’t want.

This is a fully calculated bet especially the picks. Wagner, Bane and once Banchero extends are all under contract till at least 2029, which pretty much covers all the picks except for the 2030 one. So pretty much every pick is going to be outside of the lottery. The Suns pick next year is probably the most valuable one and might be late lotto.

[Merit]

Quickley --- Suggs
Barrett --- Bane
Ingram --- Wagner
Barnes --- Banchero
Poeltl --- Carter

Which starting 5 is better?

Quickley > Suggs
Barrett < Bane
Ingram < Wagner
Barnes = Banchero
Poeltl > Carter

I think you have to look at the depth....I think Magic have better depth and Banchero/Wagner duo already pushed that team to playoffs for a couple seasons now....Barnes has yet to push this team to even a playoff birth....A trio of Banchero/Wagner/Bane has a higher ceiling than a Barnes/Ingram/Barrett trio imo...

Magic depth also might be on another tier as they have a pretty complete bench Black/Isaac/Goga/Mortiz/Da Silva/Joseph/Howard is a solid rotation for them....Compared to us anyways.

Magic have no depth, we crush them there. And I personally think Banchero/Wagner are overrated by NBA fans. Ingram is better than Wagner and Banchero is better at being a number 1 option than Scottie is, but he is not a good number 1 option. The projections are doing a lot of work when people talk about that duo.

We have more talent and depth. Only thing Orlando has going for it is that their team fits together whereas ours doesn't.

Agreed with everything except your last line.

Our current starting 5 fits together seamlessly.

IQ/RJ/BI/Scottie/Jak
Shead/Ochai/Gradey/Mogbo/Chomche
Jakobe

Solid rotational depth at the wings and limited depth at centre, but otherwise a solid team.

[Merit]

Who knew the Malachi Flynn draft slot was worth 4 future unprotected FRP’s.

What if Nurse handled Bane and not Darko?

Not talked about enough. We didn't hit on any of our firsts/seconds/undrafted guys with Nurse. Under Darko, most players we bring in look like they have a chance of being an NBA player, just as they did under Casey.

I was a big fan of Nurse and defended him while he was here, when he went to Philly, and will forever be grateful for the championship. But it didn't take long for me to realize how wrong I was on him. Great basketball mind but he was terrible at everything else you want from a HC.

Agreed in that Nick is a win-now coach. Darko is a developmental coach and his win now acumen is yet to be determined

[Merit]

What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.

It hasn’t. If Bane is worth 4 firsts, RJ is worth at least two now.

[Merit]

What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.

It would have been Barnes/Dick/Ochai 9th pick and like 3 unprotected FRPs and a pick swap in between.....So 4FRP 1 Swap Barnes/Dick/Ochai

The people that thought we could get Giannis for Barnes/Dick and 2 FRps were always delusional Raptor homers....Raptor fans can say its an overpay but this is a top 3 MVP type player here...Not Bane or 37 year old KD...

Hold on a sec. If Bane gets 4x firsts… what’s Scottie’s value?

If Bane gets 4x firsts, what’s IQ’s value on a sub-max deal for 3 years?

If Bane gets 4x firsts, what’s RJ’s value on a sub max deal for 2 years?

Stop calling people delusional and start speaking to their trade suggestions.

[Merit]

Lmao. People on here though we could get Giannis for Dick + RJ + 2x FRPs.

Them people should never be taken seriously....Its the same crowd that thought we could get KD back in the day for OG/GTJr.....They are delusional when it comes to the trade market for elite level players and always bias to how much value our players have league wide.....I blame the one off Kawhi deal we pulled off for the delusion....

And if you disagree with the hive of delusional posters they all gang up to attack you as if you are the crazy one saying they will ask for more (Obviously)

Why don’t we wait until we see what Giannis/KD are traded for?

[Merit]

why?

Why not? Hes had his problems lately, but few guards can score like Morant.

He's a perfect buy low candidate. Ja Morant would instantly become the best player on this roster.

considering what they just traded Bane for, what do you think the buy low price for Ja looks like? Salary-wise you're probably looking at doing something like IQ+Dick, but then they'll probably want another 4-5 picks on top of that.

Not sure that’s the case. Let’s say the contracts are a wash.

IQ is worth 2-3 firsts if Bane is worth 4. Gradey is worth a first and he’s on a rookie scale contract.

So if we’re looking at an overpay, adding 1 first to that would qualify - especially if it was in this year’s draft.

[Merit]

What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.

Giannis is going to get real useful players with upside pontential, but this was always the case. People are too blinded by the pick count here. We've been talking Scottie, 2-3 picks and some swaps. Houston can beat it if the include 1 of Amen/Sengun. OKC can beat it if they include 1 of Chet/JDub. SAS can beat it with the 2nd this year and Castle. And Jazz can probably beat it with Markkanen. Otherwise, no one else has the combination of a real player + picks that we have.

I don’t think Scottie moves, but IMO it’s only Houston that can beat our offer and that too only if they move Sengun. If Houston tries for KD - which makes a world of sense for them - then they probably don’t go after Giannis too.

I don’t see OKC moving Chet or Jdub. I don’t see San Antonio wanting to move all its youth for Giannis. IMO they’re more likely to try for a consolidation trade or a KD trade.

Scottie > Markannen imo, but ymmv. Does Giannis want to go to Utah with nobody else on that team? Utah has the assets to beat our offer, but would decimate their team to get Giannis.

I feel we’re the happy middle ground.

[WuTang_CMB]

Who knew the Malachi Flynn draft slot was worth 4 future unprotected FRP’s.

What if Nurse handled Bane and not Darko?

Not talked about enough. We didn't hit on any of our firsts/seconds/undrafted guys with Nurse. Under Darko, most players we bring in look like they have a chance of being an NBA player, just as they did under Casey.

I was a big fan of Nurse and defended him while he was here, when he went to Philly, and will forever be grateful for the championship. But it didn't take long for me to realize how wrong I was on him. Great basketball mind but he was terrible at everything else you want from a HC.

Yah i said this before but i thought nick was bullet proof cuz the chip but a lot of why we failed with the siakam/og/fred/scottie was the lack of development throughout the organization. Yes the fit was not ideal but we never replenished talent. Our development sucked and thats a no no cuz thats the core of our organization.

[S.W.A.N]

It's our turn



get er done

No.

Edit: I could’ve been kinder. No thank you and it’s because we can probably get Melo for far less.

It is a god-awful trade. Melo is getting so overrated. His defense reduces his value.
This isn't on him alone but since the team drafted him their record is 143-257. They don't know how to win and he's the head of the snake.

That trade package is fine for a Giannis. But a hell no for a Lamelo tier star.

[RoteSchroder]

What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.

It would have been Barnes/Dick/Ochai 9th pick and like 3 unprotected FRPs and a pick swap in between.....So 4FRP 1 Swap Barnes/Dick/Ochai

The people that thought we could get Giannis for Barnes/Dick and 2 FRps were always delusional Raptor homers....Raptor fans can say its an overpay but this is a top 3 MVP type player here...Not Bane or 37 year old KD...

Hold on a sec. If Bane gets 4x firsts… what’s Scottie’s value?

If Bane gets 4x firsts, what’s IQ’s value on a sub-max deal for 3 years?

If Bane gets 4x firsts, what’s RJ’s value on a sub max deal for 2 years?

Stop calling people delusional and start speaking to their trade suggestions.

Giannis = 10 picks
Scottie = 5 picks
RJ = 3 picks
Ja’Kobe = 2 picks
Gradey = 1 pick

Giannis + 1st for Scottie, RJ, Ja’Kobe, Gradey

[ForeverTFC]

It's our turn



get er done

No.

Edit: I could’ve been kinder. No thank you and it’s because we can probably get Melo for far less.

It is a god-awful trade. Melo is getting so overrated. His defense reduces his value.
This isn't on him alone but since the team drafted him their record is 143-257. They don't know how to win and he's the head of the snake.

That trade package is fine for a Giannis. But a hell no for a Lamelo tier star.

You can definitely get Lamelo for cheaper.

I love his offensive game and I think he'd fit great on this team. And I do think a change of scenery where wins are expected will help him mature. But I'm not sure he'd be able to resist the nightlife in Toronto.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.

It hasn’t. If Bane is worth 4 firsts, RJ is worth at least two now.

The tank is long dead we are not trading for picks.

[T-d0t]

Edit- wrong quote

I don't think this is correct. It's a much more complex protection, and wizards pick is protected.

[Shakril]

Sometimes you have to overpay. Problem is Magic still need a Center.

Goga was actually really good for that last season. Pretty much equal to Poeltl level production.

But he had also better teammates around him. Role players thrieve in a good environment, thats why i am always reluctant to take stats as a measurment for talent.

[Merit]

What is the Raptors equivalent of trading for Giannis when comparing this? I don’t even think the Raptors have the assets to make the trade.

I’m curious how much this has messed up all the trade chatter for the draft lol.

It hasn’t. If Bane is worth 4 firsts, RJ is worth at least two now.

The tank is long dead we are not trading for picks.

I’m not suggesting we tank nor am I suggesting we trade for picks. I’m saying that the value of our players in trade has increased since Bane was traded.

[Shakril]

I’m still getting over the fact that we gave away Siakam for free.

We did?

Yeah those 3 1st rd picks (one of them becoming Ja'kobe) and brown who was traded for Ingram were nothing /s

Some people man delusional is one hell of a mindset

They also ignore that the whole league knew that we have to trade siakam with his contract ending. That drove the price down. Og was an outlier as NYK wanted him so badly they were willing to give more than others.