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batterybro42 wrote:Beenie wrote:batterybro42 wrote:
Russ right now is better and cheaper than Davion Mitchell
Was terrible in the playoffs against OKC.
Too many boneheads mistakes for me to stomach
You’re not taking him for the minimum? Would you rather have Dru Smith coming off an Achilles than Russle Westbrook?
batterybro42 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:batterybro42 wrote:
Maybe your sights should be set on how we are going to handle division foe Desmond Bane? Now that he’s in the East this conference is locked down. Magic supremacy is finally established
They have a much better outlook than us right now for sure lol we’ll see if the FO can change that
Magic Supremacy
Crazy-Canuck wrote:People calling herro a defender is wild to me.
Bane isn't a great defender, might not even be a good one. But, he can at least guard his position.That is definitely something herro cant do.
Bane got what he got because he spaces the floor and can hold his own on defense. Magic badly needed that amd went out and over paid for it. Herro gives you more creativity and shot making, but just too many defensive leaks to cover up for.
The magic saw an opportunity and took their shots. He slides in perfectly with Suggs, Pablo, and Wagner.
SA37 wrote:greg4012 wrote:SA37 wrote:
I just don't get what makes you think he's going to make that jump so soon. Outside of a handful of games, Ware was fairly pedestrian and his impact was marginal. It's like all the hype with Jovic who continues to struggle to establish himself as a start or as someone with a major role on the team.
His last 2 months, he averaged ~11 and 10 on ~55fg% and ~25 3pt% with wild swings in his minutes. And he went from ~25-30mpg to 18-20 in the play-in and playoffs v Cavs.
Nothing here makes me think Ware is going to suddenly break out.
Edit: I'll also point out this coincided with Miami's big losing streak. Over these last 2 months, Miami went 8-13.
Are you of the impression that rookie development needs to coincide with winning for it to prove valuable?
I contend it’s something you progress to. If you didn’t see Ware’s progress this season and his ability to adjust to attention he got and digest what was happening on the court, then I’m sorry you missed it. If you don’t see how his physical tools and presence create a game tilting dynamic when well utilized and the potential that provides, then idk what to tell you.
Perhaps you just have no faith in his 3ball. To me, the obvious natural touch he possesses and his top percentile shooting profile among center prospects his age has me pretty certain Ware will develop to being one of the better 3pt shooting centers in the NBA. Maybe the question is just one of time. How long until he gets there.
My point is he may take time to develop. Do you know how many people on here promised Oladipo/Jovic/Winslow/KZ Okpala...etc were ready to destroy the league the following season?
And if you want a rags-to-riches-to rags story, look no further than Hassan Whiteside.
As I've said previously, I think Ware's ceiling is Brook Lopez/Porzingis. Even if he makes it to that level, I am ok with Miami getting 2-3 years of Durant even at 37 in exchange. I just don't see Ware being a central, cornerstone player.
I could be wrong, of course.
Crazy-Canuck wrote:People calling herro a defender is wild to me.
Bane isn't a great defender, might not even be a good one. But, he can at least guard his position.That is definitely something herro cant do.
Bane got what he got because he spaces the floor and can hold his own on defense. Magic badly needed that amd went out and over paid for it. Herro gives you more creativity and shot making, but just too many defensive leaks to cover up for.
The magic saw an opportunity and took their shots. He slides in perfectly with Suggs, Pablo, and Wagner.
VaDe255 wrote:Crazy-Canuck wrote:People calling herro a defender is wild to me.
Bane isn't a great defender, might not even be a good one. But, he can at least guard his position.That is definitely something herro cant do.
Bane got what he got because he spaces the floor and can hold his own on defense. Magic badly needed that amd went out and over paid for it. Herro gives you more creativity and shot making, but just too many defensive leaks to cover up for.
The magic saw an opportunity and took their shots. He slides in perfectly with Suggs, Pablo, and Wagner.
Bane came into the league later and is 1.5y older than Tyler.
Sure, you can make a case for Bane being better on defense, but at the same time he's not as talented on offense.
Just depends on what you want from a guy, I think Heat would turn that offer down (and maybe did). We'll never know but Herro would have been a better fit with how much defense there already is on Orlando and how badly they lack shot creation.
Daffy wrote:Thinking on it that trade deadline deal getting back Jimmy was probably the best return suns would get for KD
Daffy wrote:Crazy that we have to do this every trade deadline or off-season. What makes you guys think if there was a better player than Herro that we could grab by trading him and assets we wouldn't have done it already?
I remember seeing people say trade Herro and picks for Dinwidie and Dorian Smith or Royce O Neal. Where are those guys now. Barely getting any run on the teams they moved to as well.
I really believe some of you guys don't understand how building a team works. We have Bam and Herro who aren't number ones. KD is an elite scorer who allows our guys to slide into natural roles. We want to get KD then flip Herro for what upgrade. Realistically name the upgrades to be had. If he's as bad as some of you are saying then why would the other team trade a better player/star for him? Some of these same people said Duncan Robinson was better than Herro. Robinson was always just a role player. You get KD you need another perimeter scorer like Herro or it doesn't work. The plan should be adding more players to the KD/Herro/Bam build.
I shouldn't be surprised by what I'm reading these days anyway.
VaDe255 wrote:Crazy-Canuck wrote:People calling herro a defender is wild to me.
Bane isn't a great defender, might not even be a good one. But, he can at least guard his position.That is definitely something herro cant do.
Bane got what he got because he spaces the floor and can hold his own on defense. Magic badly needed that amd went out and over paid for it. Herro gives you more creativity and shot making, but just too many defensive leaks to cover up for.
The magic saw an opportunity and took their shots. He slides in perfectly with Suggs, Pablo, and Wagner.
Bane came into the league later and is 1.5y older than Tyler.
Sure, you can make a case for Bane being better on defense, but at the same time he's not as talented on offense.
Just depends on what you want from a guy, I think Heat would turn that offer down (and maybe did). We'll never know but Herro would have been a better fit with how much defense there already is on Orlando and how badly they lack shot creation.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Daffy wrote:Thinking on it that trade deadline deal getting back Jimmy was probably the best return suns would get for KD
It absolutely was, they fuxked up. Idk what they were thinking.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
He’s fighting for air but he’s getting this one!! We’re getting an 2005 type offseason
MettaWorldPanda wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
He’s fighting for air but he’s getting this one!! We’re getting an 2005 type offseason
With all the tea leaves and smoke I just don’t know how the league allows Riley a legend to go out like a sucker. Think it’s horrible business. Especially after how Butler left we need this one go through. Dame i never felt like was ever going through especially with not having the right offer at the time, his contract, and just the heavy media blitz against us after only Miami request. This time it feels things should actually work out in our favor. NBA itself really should want this to happen for our market. Just like how they orchestrated Luka to LA.
lastb1ckman wrote:Bane is much lower on the scouting report than Herro and is doesnt have the ball handling Herro does. If Bane was in Herro's position this season, we'd likely not have even been a play in team. Its the same situation as with Reeves on the Lakers. Bane is going to a great situation with Franz and Paolo drawing all the attention. Thats his ideal role. (Even thought the Magic wayyyyy over paid)
