sodmoraes wrote:Question for who wants to draft VJ. I know already why do you guys dont want Ace, but why do you prefer him than Tre? I know his athletic abilities are higher, he has more burst and can be a pretty good defensive player, but his offensive game is way more limited than Tre, and i dont know if he can improve it a lot.
In the other hand, we dont know if Tre can improve his driving game, so he can be limited to a shooter, while VJ drive game is way stronger. His defensive sucks too, but i just dont value defensive in guards that much. Anyways, since Tre scored well in the Combine, i think he can improve his driving game so it can be decent, and even if his defense doesnt improve he has a great skill already ( shooting), while i think the path to be an allstar seems harder for VJ, because he needs to improve alot his handle, dribble and shooting off the dribble.
I don't rate Tre's ancillary skills (passing, defense) and his slashing was rather unspectacular for someone who's utility rapidly falls off without the ball in his hands.
If you're looking at a guard to replicate Shai, outside of the mid-range jumper spam you need to be getting to the rim at will.
Fox at UK got to rim 203 times, finished &64%
Morant at Murray State got to the rim 264 times, finished &61%
John Wall at UK got to the rim 182 times, finished &64%
SGA at UK got to the rim 182 times, finished &59%
Tre got to the rim
97 times, finished &59%
VJ got to the rim 126 times, finished &60%
Harper got to the rim 170 times, finished &70%(!)
Basketball is simple, as an initiators there are three main components: shooting, passing, dribbling. Unless you're providing high utility in at least two of three, you're projecting out a low impact archetype.
Shai brings all three, Haliburton at Iowa showcased elite levels of passing and shooting.
The wingspan is nice, but Tre, to me looks another in the Cam Thomas / Alec Burks / Tre Mann / Jordan Clarkson / Tyler Herro family tree.
For the sake of VJ, I'm banking on the shooting indicators, the outlier athleticism, the defense, the FTr and the connective passing. Looks a more impactful basketball player.