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2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#221 » by return2glory » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:15 am

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I think that is a fair concern. But one thing some need to realize is that when you play for a team like North Carolina or a Duke. Everyone wants to be the star, so sometimes it's hard to stand out.

Using one example was Patrick Williams didn't even start for Florida state before he went top five.

So certainly one has to consider what you said. But since we are not likely contending next year, one good developmental year could improve him and help and reach his ceiling. And of course, it always matters. Who else is available


I get what you are saying about a team like Duke, but NC hasn't been a really good team for a while.

Also Patrick Williams is a bust so far for a top 5 pick.

Boston went with one of done players recently that were not very productive in their one year of college ball. I'm talking about Walsh and JD. Neither one has done anything in the NBA yet. I don't think Boston is in a position to pick another unproven college player and wait and see what they might turn out in 3-4 years.


Again, you are not wrong with your assertion. Technically, they are all unproven college players however. And again, i'm not even saying he would be my top choice. Most of my evaluations come from the film. And a much smaller part statistics. But somewhere between J Brown and Jordan Walsh I think his ability lies. This Is getting fun, but I do Hope Stevens gets this right.


I do too. I would love to keep 28th and 32 and get two quality bigs. There is a chance two of our top three bigs are not on this team next season. Al was a big part of our championship year. Or a good center, along with some like Fleming or Clayton.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#222 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:45 am

Draft twitter analysti Ben Pfeifer posts a first round mock w/ some unconventional selections:
https://www.basketballinsiders.org/news/nba-draft-2025-ideal-selections-for-each-first-round-pick/

Celts at 28 take Nolan Traore
"Traore’s scoring efficiency causes some concern, though we shouldn’t discount his huge offensive load as a teenage pro point guard. His elite speed, great passing and versatile defensive chops are bankable traits with his outside shooting as a major swing skill. Boston will bet on his talent here, hoping he can eventually find a home in their backcourt rotation."
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#223 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 1:12 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Draft twitter analysti Ben Pfeifer posts a first round mock w/ some unconventional selections:
https://www.basketballinsiders.org/news/nba-draft-2025-ideal-selections-for-each-first-round-pick/

Celts at 28 take Nolan Traore
"Traore’s scoring efficiency causes some concern, though we shouldn’t discount his huge offensive load as a teenage pro point guard. His elite speed, great passing and versatile defensive chops are bankable traits with his outside shooting as a major swing skill. Boston will bet on his talent here, hoping he can eventually find a home in their backcourt rotation."


During the last 10 years I haven't seen any Euro's taken outside of the top 10 who made any impact in the league.

Maybe the NIL will allow international players to play in the NCAA where the competition and spotlight will be brighter.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#224 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 2:50 pm

phincsfan wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Draft twitter analysti Ben Pfeifer posts a first round mock w/ some unconventional selections:
https://www.basketballinsiders.org/news/nba-draft-2025-ideal-selections-for-each-first-round-pick/

Celts at 28 take Nolan Traore
"Traore’s scoring efficiency causes some concern, though we shouldn’t discount his huge offensive load as a teenage pro point guard. His elite speed, great passing and versatile defensive chops are bankable traits with his outside shooting as a major swing skill. Boston will bet on his talent here, hoping he can eventually find a home in their backcourt rotation."


During the last 10 years I haven't seen any Euro's taken outside of the top 10 who made any impact in the league.

Maybe the NIL will allow international players to play in the NCAA where the competition and spotlight will be brighter.

Sengun?

Vit Krejci was a good player for the Hawks this season.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#225 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 16, 2025 3:25 pm

Sabonis, taken 11th in 2016.
Zubac, taken #32 in 2016
Hartenstein, taken #43 in 2017
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#226 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 4:59 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Sabonis, taken 11th in 2016.
Zubac, taken #32 in 2016
Hartenstein, taken #43 in 2017


Sabonis played at Gonzaga, no?

I’m talking about international players playing euro ball.

2nd rounders whether college or international will always be a chance a team takes.

19 or so international players taken after the 10th pick (and if I brought that down to taken after the 5th pick it’d be more). Sengun and the kid Jokic from Miami look good. I have close to zero trust from an international being taken in the 1st round at #28. As a 2nd rounder, ok. Stash or gleague potential.
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Post#227 » by Dogen » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:01 pm

phincsfan wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Draft twitter analysti Ben Pfeifer posts a first round mock w/ some unconventional selections:
https://www.basketballinsiders.org/news/nba-draft-2025-ideal-selections-for-each-first-round-pick/

Celts at 28 take Nolan Traore
"Traore’s scoring efficiency causes some concern, though we shouldn’t discount his huge offensive load as a teenage pro point guard. His elite speed, great passing and versatile defensive chops are bankable traits with his outside shooting as a major swing skill. Boston will bet on his talent here, hoping he can eventually find a home in their backcourt rotation."


During the last 10 years I haven't seen any Euro's taken outside of the top 10 who made any impact in the league.

Maybe the NIL will allow international players to play in the NCAA where the competition and spotlight will be brighter.


If you can allow 10 years and 10 days, Jokic is on the list too.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#228 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:08 pm

Dogen wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Draft twitter analysti Ben Pfeifer posts a first round mock w/ some unconventional selections:
https://www.basketballinsiders.org/news/nba-draft-2025-ideal-selections-for-each-first-round-pick/

Celts at 28 take Nolan Traore
"Traore’s scoring efficiency causes some concern, though we shouldn’t discount his huge offensive load as a teenage pro point guard. His elite speed, great passing and versatile defensive chops are bankable traits with his outside shooting as a major swing skill. Boston will bet on his talent here, hoping he can eventually find a home in their backcourt rotation."


During the last 10 years I haven't seen any Euro's taken outside of the top 10 who made any impact in the league.

Maybe the NIL will allow international players to play in the NCAA where the competition and spotlight will be brighter.


If you can allow 10 years and 10 days, Jokic is on the list too.


I don’t mind 2nd round picks because there’s salary and contract options. 1st rounders are locked in to that teams payroll for a few years. I would like somewhat of a return on investment for a 1st rounder.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#229 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:10 pm

Actually I think there's a good chance that the Celtics will take a draft and stash Euro with #32 to save money.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#230 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:11 pm

I have more faith in a kid like Proctor as an international pick because he’s played in the states for a legit program. Nothing against the international programs, but I trust college play a lot more.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#231 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:21 pm

phincsfan wrote:I have more faith in a kid like Proctor as an international pick because he’s played in the states for a legit program. Nothing against the international programs, but I trust college play a lot more.

Would've been perfect for 1991 and 1992, when the Cs had Kevin Gamble.

It would've been a Proctor and Gamble duo. :lol:
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Post#232 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:14 pm

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Post#233 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:18 pm

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Post#234 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:28 pm

Still a bunch of time left, but outside of Newell, the Wolves haven’t worked out any other prospects who are mocked around 17.

Could be a team and slot to watch for if the C’s want to move up.

They have 187mil in payroll next year so maybe they’d rather take a splash on a FA rather than pony up 4mil for the 17th slot. They’re in a win now mode also.

Maybe Sam and #28 for the 17th slot?
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Post#235 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:38 pm

phincsfan wrote:I have more faith in a kid like Proctor as an international pick because he’s played in the states for a legit program. Nothing against the international programs, but I trust college play a lot more.

Nothing against international programs, but you just think they are trash compared to american colleges. Ok, sure. Kinda sounds like you are dissing them.

2011: Donatas Motiejunas (#20), Nikola Mirotic (#23)
2012: Evan Fournier (#20)
2013: Giannis Antetokounmpo (#15), Lucas Nogueira (#16), Dennis Schröder (#17), Sergey Karasaev (#19), Rudy Gobert (#27), Livio Jean-Charles (#28), Nemanja Nedovic (#30)
2014: Dario Saric (#12), Jusuf Nurkic (#16), Bruno Caboclo (#20), Clint Capela (#25), Bogdan Bogdanovic (#27)
2015: Nikola Milutinov (#26)
2016: Georgios Papagiannis (#13), Juancho Hernangomez (#15), Guerschon Yabusele (#16), Ante Zizic (#23), Timothée Luwawu-Cabarrot (#24),Furkan Korkmaz (#26)
2017: Terrance Ferguson (#21), Anzejs Pasecniks (#25)
2018: Dzanan Musa (#29)
2019: Sekou Doumbouya (#15), Goga Bitadze (#18), Luka Samanic (#19)
2020: Aleksej Pokusevski (#17), Leandro Bolmaro (#21)
2021: Alperen Sengun (#16), Usman Garuba (#23)
For more recent draft classes it's too early to tell.

Three all stars (Antetokounmpo, Gobert, Sengun). Five long time starters (Fournier, Schröder, Nurkic, Capela, Bogdanovic). Three good rotation players (Mirotic, Saric, Bitadze). Three replacement level guys (Hernangomez, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). 18 busts. So 32 guys in all. About 10% are all stars and more than a third become at least useful rotation players. That's much better than the average return for picks in that range. That doesn't even include a bunch of good picks at the very start of the second round like Bojan Bogdanovic, Cedi Osman, Willy Hernangomez, Tomas Satoransky, Ivica Zubac... Doesn't seem like the world has too many problems cranking out late first talent. Besides with the way US citizens keep voting you might not have colleges for much longer. But that's another conversation entirely.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#236 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:48 pm

Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:
phincsfan wrote:I have more faith in a kid like Proctor as an international pick because he’s played in the states for a legit program. Nothing against the international programs, but I trust college play a lot more.

Nothing against international programs, but you just think they are trash compared to american colleges. Ok, sure. Kinda sounds like you are dissing them.

2011: Donatas Motiejunas (#20), Nikola Mirotic (#23)
2012: Evan Fournier (#20)
2013: Giannis Antetokounmpo (#15), Lucas Nogueira (#16), Dennis Schröder (#17), Sergey Karasaev (#19), Rudy Gobert (#27), Livio Jean-Charles (#28), Nemanja Nedovic (#30)
2014: Dario Saric (#12), Jusuf Nurkic (#16), Bruno Caboclo (#20), Clint Capela (#25), Bogdan Bogdanovic (#27)
2015: Nikola Milutinov (#26)
2016: Georgios Papagiannis (#13), Juancho Hernangomez (#15), Guerschon Yabusele (#16), Ante Zizic (#23), Timothée Luwawu-Cabarrot (#24),Furkan Korkmaz (#26)
2017: Terrance Ferguson (#21), Anzejs Pasecniks (#25)
2018: Dzanan Musa (#29)
2019: Sekou Doumbouya (#15), Goga Bitadze (#18), Luka Samanic (#19)
2020: Aleksej Pokusevski (#17), Leandro Bolmaro (#21)
2021: Alperen Sengun (#16), Usman Garuba (#23)
For more recent draft classes it's too early to tell.

Three all stars (Antetokounmpo, Gobert, Sengun). Five long time starters (Fournier, Schröder, Nurkic, Capela, Bogdanovic). Three good rotation players (Mirotic, Saric, Bitadze). Three replacement level guys (Hernangomez, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Korkmaz). 18 busts. So 32 guys in all. About 10% are all stars and more than a third become at least useful rotation players. That's much better than the average return for picks in that range. That doesn't even include a bunch of good picks at the very start of the second round like Bojan Bogdanovic, Cedi Osman, Willy Hernangomez, Tomas Satoransky, Ivica Zubac... Doesn't seem like the world has too many problems cranking out late first talent. Besides with the way US citizens keep voting you might not have colleges for much longer. But that's another conversation entirely.


“Dissing” is making fun of someone’s sneakers or haircut. I would say I’m critical of international basketball.

I also think that there should be an extra draft round for draft and stash international players.

If the NIL starts to open up to international players coming to American colleges I’d be very interested to see the development of those players.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#237 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:51 pm

phincsfan wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Draft twitter analysti Ben Pfeifer posts a first round mock w/ some unconventional selections:
https://www.basketballinsiders.org/news/nba-draft-2025-ideal-selections-for-each-first-round-pick/

Celts at 28 take Nolan Traore
"Traore’s scoring efficiency causes some concern, though we shouldn’t discount his huge offensive load as a teenage pro point guard. His elite speed, great passing and versatile defensive chops are bankable traits with his outside shooting as a major swing skill. Boston will bet on his talent here, hoping he can eventually find a home in their backcourt rotation."


During the last 10 years I haven't seen any Euro's taken outside of the top 10 who made any impact in the league.

Maybe the NIL will allow international players to play in the NCAA where the competition and spotlight will be brighter.

This would be a disaster in my opinion. Traore needs 3 years to be 2 years away.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#238 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 16, 2025 6:56 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Draft twitter analysti Ben Pfeifer posts a first round mock w/ some unconventional selections:
https://www.basketballinsiders.org/news/nba-draft-2025-ideal-selections-for-each-first-round-pick/

Celts at 28 take Nolan Traore
"Traore’s scoring efficiency causes some concern, though we shouldn’t discount his huge offensive load as a teenage pro point guard. His elite speed, great passing and versatile defensive chops are bankable traits with his outside shooting as a major swing skill. Boston will bet on his talent here, hoping he can eventually find a home in their backcourt rotation."


During the last 10 years I haven't seen any Euro's taken outside of the top 10 who made any impact in the league.

Maybe the NIL will allow international players to play in the NCAA where the competition and spotlight will be brighter.

This would be a disaster in my opinion.


Which comment?

Khaman, Egor and Kasparus all international players who played in big college programs. Let’s see how their development goes in thw pros.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#239 » by celticgreenie » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:01 pm

Kasparas is the guy I could see Brad trading up for. Won't get punished defensively as a guard, rebounds well, and gets to the line.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 – Capture the Flagg 

Post#240 » by Celts17Pride » Mon Jun 16, 2025 7:04 pm

phincsfan wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
phincsfan wrote:
During the last 10 years I haven't seen any Euro's taken outside of the top 10 who made any impact in the league.

Maybe the NIL will allow international players to play in the NCAA where the competition and spotlight will be brighter.

This would be a disaster in my opinion.


Which comment?

Khaman, Egor and Kasparus all international players who played in big college programs. Let’s see how their development goes in thw pros.

Traore

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