NBA Trade Thread #12

[Infinity2152]

You're using Desmond Band and Mikal Bridges value as a gauge for what Vucevic might get in a trade?

He's a 34 year old center (he turns 35 in October) who isn't good defensively (at a position where most teams value defense).

If AK was willing to take on additional salary for him, then maybe I'd agree, but it seems like AK doesn't want to do that.

If you call comparing getting 4-5 picks to getting one pick the same thing, I guess. Point is future firsts don't mean nearly as much to some teams as others. Are you saying you would have given up 5 picks for Bridges or 4 picks plus players for Bane because they're such better players? Or do those teams not value picks much, compared to getting a boost now?

He's a 34 year old center who's good at shooting, which most centers are not and is elite at rebounding (at a position most teams value rebounding). There are guys who will be 40+ playing this year. And we don't need 10 teams to be willing to give up a first. We just need to find one. Anything is impossible until you try. He's expiring, very low risk for a team that wants to add some offensive punch.

On one hand AK is always accused of giving up too much in trades, at the same time being criticized for asking for too much in trades.

Moved Derozan in S&T: We had no rights to him, unrestricted free agent, got Duarte and a couple of seconds for basically nothing. Not enough, we could have got more if we traded him sooner.

Moved Zach Lavine and got Huerter and Collins, who have played well for us, and a first round pick. Consensus was we would get nothing for Zach. Not enough. We could have gotten more if we traded him sooner.

Know what Caruso was worth when we signed him? A $10 mill/yr contract. Flips that contract three years later, 29 yr old oft injured role player who averages about 22 mins for a 20pt triple double machine still on rookie contract. Not enough, we should have got a first too. We could have gotten more if we traded him sooner.

If he does trade Vucevic and doesn't get a first, it'll be not enough again. Heck, even if he does get the first, there will be some reason to say it's not enough. But somehow he keeps getting more for players than predicted.

We all have different opinions. I think if he looks long enough, and the right opportunity arises, we get that first. or he could rush and take whatever's immediately available.

I'm sorry,but what?? He keeps getting more than predicted? AKME are just bad in trades.. he SHOULD get more for Zach and Caruso, period! AKME put themselves in bad position with stupid decisions before actual trades, always waiting to long!!

Vucevic trade - he declined 2x 2nd rounders,which he shouldnt.. like those dumbasses declined 3x 2nd rounders for Drummond etc

He should have gotten more for Caruso? Do you possibly think Caruso is more valuable than Giddey? Caruso just re-signed for $20 mill, you think that's what Giddey is getting? In what world did we not win that deal? Long term young starter on a rookie contract for an EXPIRING bench role player that's always injured. The fact that we signed Caruso for $10 mill in FA should say something about his perceived value. Only reason people keep saying we should have gotten more is because the Thunder have so many picks, for some reason people think they don't treasure first round picks. Weird, since they worked so hard to stack them. Thunder would have laughed their asses off if we offered them Caruso for Giddey a year or two before. Giddey for Caruso was an overpay by a contender ready to win now. We won that trade easily based on talent, age, likely longevity, player impact (30+ minute starter), like come on.

Far as he should have gotten more for Zach, may I refer you to the 5000+ posts, some of which you probably posted, saying Zach is overpaid, bad defense, doesn't contribute to winning, blah, blah? How do you turn that into we should have gotten more than 3 productive players, because Jones, Huerter and Collins were productive and a lottery pick? Wonder what you would expect him to get for Zach if he wasn't overpriced, returning from injury, bad defense, low BBall IQ. Maybe we get three players and 6 first round picks? That's what people were expecting in a Zach trade?
We only got $40+ mill worth of players that fit well and played major minutes with shorter contracts, gone in 2026 and a lottery pick. When was there a big trade market for max Lavine?


Your opinion he shouldn't have turned down those two seconds. You just want to get rid of him for anything, what year were those seconds? What pick? Be hard to imagine an asset worth less than a late second years from now. Wow, we trade Vucevic and ended up with the 58th pick in 2027 and the 56th pick in 2031. Were we taking on long-term money, since you somehow have details on this trade that no one else has. Exactly what was offered with those two second round picks? What indication do you have that equal or better offers for Vucevic aren't out there right now? Because you think most trades happen at the deadline or before free agency even starts? Did Vucevic's value drop since the deadline, even though he had a great season and is now an expiring contract?

It's cool. If you think we should have gotten multiple firsts plus players back for Zach, multiple firsts for Caruso, and Vuc's value has dropped from a couple of seconds to not getting the same deal or better now, that's your opinion. We differ there. Saw a sports show today that 3 teams, GS, Lakers and Pistons have interest in Vucevic right now, but I guess you know best. NBA reporter Evan Sidery tweeted they're open to get a late first round pick in this draft for Vucevic. Probably won't happen, but why not take the shot? You miss every shot you don't take.

[Infinity2152]

New topic. You're the Bulls GM. Time has run out to make your decision on Coby White. Either we're going to pay him or we're going to trade him. Anybody getting deja vu? Isn't this pretty much the situation with Zach Lavine that got us here? Paying a pretty high-end one-way player a ton of money because we couldn't afford to lose him in FA? Regretting it for years?

When people talk about AK making moves too late, this one is critical. If they are 100% committed to re-signing Coby and are prepared to pay him a Zach Lavine contract, so be it. But time's up for making the Coby trade decision. We know more than enough about Coby at this point to be able to make the decision. The sooner we make it, the sooner we can plan the next steps.

Gun to your head, owner says make up your mind right now, keep or trade. What's your decision? I bring it up because we were rumored to be in talks with the Magic for Coby and they ended up giving up a lot for Bane instead. Bane's better, but I wonder what happened there and if Coby is actually on the block seriously.

[MrSparkle]

New topic. You're the Bulls GM. Time has run out to make your decision on Coby White. Either we're going to pay him or we're going to trade him. Anybody getting deja vu? Isn't this pretty much the situation with Zach Lavine that got us here? Paying a pretty high-end one-way player a ton of money because we couldn't afford to lose him in FA? Regretting it for years?

When people talk about AK making moves too late, this one is critical. If they are 100% committed to re-signing Coby and are prepared to pay him a Zach Lavine contract, so be it. But time's up for making the Coby trade decision. We know more than enough about Coby at this point to be able to make the decision. The sooner we make it, the sooner we can plan the next steps.

Gun to your head, owner says make up your mind right now, keep or trade. What's your decision? I bring it up because we were rumored to be in talks with the Magic for Coby and they ended up giving up a lot for Bane instead. Bane's better, but I wonder what happened there and if Coby is actually on the block seriously.

All signs point to AK resigning Coby to above market value, like Patrick and Billy Donovan. AK doesn't pivot from his 1A decisions until it's much too late.

Coby finished the season as team leader in MPG, PPG, FTAs, 3Ps, and games started/played. I don't see a scenario where they dump him, unless Kasparas drops to #12 and completely outplays him while not co-existing too well.

[Infinity2152]

New topic. You're the Bulls GM. Time has run out to make your decision on Coby White. Either we're going to pay him or we're going to trade him. Anybody getting deja vu? Isn't this pretty much the situation with Zach Lavine that got us here? Paying a pretty high-end one-way player a ton of money because we couldn't afford to lose him in FA? Regretting it for years?

When people talk about AK making moves too late, this one is critical. If they are 100% committed to re-signing Coby and are prepared to pay him a Zach Lavine contract, so be it. But time's up for making the Coby trade decision. We know more than enough about Coby at this point to be able to make the decision. The sooner we make it, the sooner we can plan the next steps.

Gun to your head, owner says make up your mind right now, keep or trade. What's your decision? I bring it up because we were rumored to be in talks with the Magic for Coby and they ended up giving up a lot for Bane instead. Bane's better, but I wonder what happened there and if Coby is actually on the block seriously.

All signs point to AK resigning Coby to above market value, like Patrick and Billy Donovan. AK doesn't pivot from his 1A decisions until it's much too late.

Coby finished the season as team leader in MPG, PPG, FTAs, 3Ps, and games started/played. I don't see a scenario where they dump him, unless Kasparas drops to #12 and completely outplays him while not co-existing too well.

Unfortunately, you're probably right. This is too similar to Zach situation. Team leader in all that, and he was coming off a contract he was considered underpaid/value deal we forced him to go find. We got no deal on the next contract, max money.

Y'all are depressing me. I'm trying hard to believe he's not going to do the same thing over again.

[WesPeace]

If you call comparing getting 4-5 picks to getting one pick the same thing, I guess. Point is future firsts don't mean nearly as much to some teams as others. Are you saying you would have given up 5 picks for Bridges or 4 picks plus players for Bane because they're such better players? Or do those teams not value picks much, compared to getting a boost now?

He's a 34 year old center who's good at shooting, which most centers are not and is elite at rebounding (at a position most teams value rebounding). There are guys who will be 40+ playing this year. And we don't need 10 teams to be willing to give up a first. We just need to find one. Anything is impossible until you try. He's expiring, very low risk for a team that wants to add some offensive punch.

On one hand AK is always accused of giving up too much in trades, at the same time being criticized for asking for too much in trades.

Moved Derozan in S&T: We had no rights to him, unrestricted free agent, got Duarte and a couple of seconds for basically nothing. Not enough, we could have got more if we traded him sooner.

Moved Zach Lavine and got Huerter and Collins, who have played well for us, and a first round pick. Consensus was we would get nothing for Zach. Not enough. We could have gotten more if we traded him sooner.

Know what Caruso was worth when we signed him? A $10 mill/yr contract. Flips that contract three years later, 29 yr old oft injured role player who averages about 22 mins for a 20pt triple double machine still on rookie contract. Not enough, we should have got a first too. We could have gotten more if we traded him sooner.

If he does trade Vucevic and doesn't get a first, it'll be not enough again. Heck, even if he does get the first, there will be some reason to say it's not enough. But somehow he keeps getting more for players than predicted.

We all have different opinions. I think if he looks long enough, and the right opportunity arises, we get that first. or he could rush and take whatever's immediately available.

I'm sorry,but what?? He keeps getting more than predicted? AKME are just bad in trades.. he SHOULD get more for Zach and Caruso, period! AKME put themselves in bad position with stupid decisions before actual trades, always waiting to long!!

Vucevic trade - he declined 2x 2nd rounders,which he shouldnt.. like those dumbasses declined 3x 2nd rounders for Drummond etc

He should have gotten more for Caruso? Do you possibly think Caruso is more valuable than Giddey? Caruso just re-signed for $20 mill, you think that's what Giddey is getting? In what world did we not win that deal? Long term young starter on a rookie contract for an EXPIRING bench role player that's always injured. The fact that we signed Caruso for $10 mill in FA should say something about his perceived value. Only reason people keep saying we should have gotten more is because the Thunder have so many picks, for some reason people think they don't treasure first round picks. Weird, since they worked so hard to stack them. Thunder would have laughed their asses off if we offered them Caruso for Giddey a year or two before. Giddey for Caruso was an overpay by a contender ready to win now. We won that trade easily based on talent, age, likely longevity, player impact (30+ minute starter), like come on.

Far as he should have gotten more for Zach, may I refer you to the 5000+ posts, some of which you probably posted, saying Zach is overpaid, bad defense, doesn't contribute to winning, blah, blah? How do you turn that into we should have gotten more than 3 productive players, because Jones, Huerter and Collins were productive and a lottery pick? Wonder what you would expect him to get for Zach if he wasn't overpriced, returning from injury, bad defense, low BBall IQ. Maybe we get three players and 6 first round picks? That's what people were expecting in a Zach trade?
We only got $40+ mill worth of players that fit well and played major minutes with shorter contracts, gone in 2026 and a lottery pick. When was there a big trade market for max Lavine?


Your opinion he shouldn't have turned down those two seconds. You just want to get rid of him for anything, what year were those seconds? What pick? Be hard to imagine an asset worth less than a late second years from now. Wow, we trade Vucevic and ended up with the 58th pick in 2027 and the 56th pick in 2031. Were we taking on long-term money, since you somehow have details on this trade that no one else has. Exactly what was offered with those two second round picks? What indication do you have that equal or better offers for Vucevic aren't out there right now? Because you think most trades happen at the deadline or before free agency even starts? Did Vucevic's value drop since the deadline, even though he had a great season and is now an expiring contract?

It's cool. If you think we should have gotten multiple firsts plus players back for Zach, multiple firsts for Caruso, and Vuc's value has dropped from a couple of seconds to not getting the same deal or better now, that's your opinion. We differ there. Saw a sports show today that 3 teams, GS, Lakers and Pistons have interest in Vucevic right now, but I guess you know best. NBA reporter Evan Sidery tweeted they're open to get a late first round pick in this draft for Vucevic. Probably won't happen, but why not take the shot? You miss every shot you don't take.

Caruso value was different at the time of trade and Giddey value was lower at the time of the trade, did you forget that? I still think we should get 1 pick at least back then.. Caruso was proven vet, Giddey was struggling youngster, who was moved to bench in playoff.

Lavine - I actually liked him, he was good teammate and always pro, I didnt bash him like some sheep mentality people had, I was actually pissed off many time for all the group bashing he was getting, just because.. For all star player and national team player he wasnt overpaid much,if at all, his contract in modern age of contracts was fine, nothing crazy imho.

His value was diminshed by his own management by some comments they made and by letting teams know Zach was on trade block, that they want to go different route. Teams took advantage of desperate AKME dumbasses and we got lowball offers all along.

Vucevic - even if one 2nd rounder was early and other was late, you make the deal! To get rid of expiring contract and you make a fresh start and you can always combine those draft picks in trade for something better..

[sco]

New topic. You're the Bulls GM. Time has run out to make your decision on Coby White. Either we're going to pay him or we're going to trade him. Anybody getting deja vu? Isn't this pretty much the situation with Zach Lavine that got us here? Paying a pretty high-end one-way player a ton of money because we couldn't afford to lose him in FA? Regretting it for years?

When people talk about AK making moves too late, this one is critical. If they are 100% committed to re-signing Coby and are prepared to pay him a Zach Lavine contract, so be it. But time's up for making the Coby trade decision. We know more than enough about Coby at this point to be able to make the decision. The sooner we make it, the sooner we can plan the next steps.

Gun to your head, owner says make up your mind right now, keep or trade. What's your decision? I bring it up because we were rumored to be in talks with the Magic for Coby and they ended up giving up a lot for Bane instead. Bane's better, but I wonder what happened there and if Coby is actually on the block seriously.

All signs point to AK resigning Coby to above market value, like Patrick and Billy Donovan. AK doesn't pivot from his 1A decisions until it's much too late.

Coby finished the season as team leader in MPG, PPG, FTAs, 3Ps, and games started/played. I don't see a scenario where they dump him, unless Kasparas drops to #12 and completely outplays him while not co-existing too well.

Unfortunately, you're probably right. This is too similar to Zach situation. Team leader in all that, and he was coming off a contract he was considered underpaid/value deal we forced him to go find. We got no deal on the next contract, max money.

Y'all are depressing me. I'm trying hard to believe he's not going to do the same thing over again.

I agree that AK is likely keeping Coby. That said, AK has shown of late that he's learned from the Zach and PWill blind overpays. Also, I don't hate having Coby "earn" his paycheck. There is a decent chance he regresses this season, which should protect us from overpaying him.

[Infinity2152]

I'm sorry,but what?? He keeps getting more than predicted? AKME are just bad in trades.. he SHOULD get more for Zach and Caruso, period! AKME put themselves in bad position with stupid decisions before actual trades, always waiting to long!!

Vucevic trade - he declined 2x 2nd rounders,which he shouldnt.. like those dumbasses declined 3x 2nd rounders for Drummond etc

He should have gotten more for Caruso? Do you possibly think Caruso is more valuable than Giddey? Caruso just re-signed for $20 mill, you think that's what Giddey is getting? In what world did we not win that deal? Long term young starter on a rookie contract for an EXPIRING bench role player that's always injured. The fact that we signed Caruso for $10 mill in FA should say something about his perceived value. Only reason people keep saying we should have gotten more is because the Thunder have so many picks, for some reason people think they don't treasure first round picks. Weird, since they worked so hard to stack them. Thunder would have laughed their asses off if we offered them Caruso for Giddey a year or two before. Giddey for Caruso was an overpay by a contender ready to win now. We won that trade easily based on talent, age, likely longevity, player impact (30+ minute starter), like come on.

Far as he should have gotten more for Zach, may I refer you to the 5000+ posts, some of which you probably posted, saying Zach is overpaid, bad defense, doesn't contribute to winning, blah, blah? How do you turn that into we should have gotten more than 3 productive players, because Jones, Huerter and Collins were productive and a lottery pick? Wonder what you would expect him to get for Zach if he wasn't overpriced, returning from injury, bad defense, low BBall IQ. Maybe we get three players and 6 first round picks? That's what people were expecting in a Zach trade?
We only got $40+ mill worth of players that fit well and played major minutes with shorter contracts, gone in 2026 and a lottery pick. When was there a big trade market for max Lavine?


Your opinion he shouldn't have turned down those two seconds. You just want to get rid of him for anything, what year were those seconds? What pick? Be hard to imagine an asset worth less than a late second years from now. Wow, we trade Vucevic and ended up with the 58th pick in 2027 and the 56th pick in 2031. Were we taking on long-term money, since you somehow have details on this trade that no one else has. Exactly what was offered with those two second round picks? What indication do you have that equal or better offers for Vucevic aren't out there right now? Because you think most trades happen at the deadline or before free agency even starts? Did Vucevic's value drop since the deadline, even though he had a great season and is now an expiring contract?

It's cool. If you think we should have gotten multiple firsts plus players back for Zach, multiple firsts for Caruso, and Vuc's value has dropped from a couple of seconds to not getting the same deal or better now, that's your opinion. We differ there. Saw a sports show today that 3 teams, GS, Lakers and Pistons have interest in Vucevic right now, but I guess you know best. NBA reporter Evan Sidery tweeted they're open to get a late first round pick in this draft for Vucevic. Probably won't happen, but why not take the shot? You miss every shot you don't take.

Caruso value was different at the time of trade and Giddey value was lower at the time of the trade, did you forget that? I still think we should get 1 pick at least back then.. Caruso was proven vet, Giddey was struggling youngster, who was moved to bench in playoff.

Lavine - I actually liked him, he was good teammate and always pro, I didnt bash him like some sheep mentality people had, I was actually pissed off many time for all the group bashing he was getting, just because.. For all star player and national team player he wasnt overpaid much,if at all, his contract in modern age of contracts was fine, nothing crazy imho.

His value was diminshed by his own management by some comments they made and by letting teams know Zach was on trade block, that they want to go different route. Teams took advantage of desperate AKME dumbasses and we got lowball offers all along.

Vucevic - even if one 2nd rounder was early and other was late, you make the deal! To get rid of expiring contract and you make a fresh start and you can always combine those draft picks in trade for something better..

I think in most of those cases, we're quibbling over marginal differences. Caruso was averaging a career high 10 pts, 3.8rbs, 3.5 assists at 29 and needed a new contract. Don't forget that. He played 71 games that year, but played 67 and 41 the year before. Giddey was coming off 12pts, 6.4 rbs, 4.8 assists in less minutes at 21. Great defender, important to us and now to the Thunder, but not a high value trade asset as an expiring, at least not worth Giddey plus a first.

With Vucevic, is whatever we get likely to be greatly different from the two draft picks we supposedly passed up? We get one second round pick back instead of two? With Zach, maybe we get a little more, maybe a little less. Don't think there's any great difference in the returns trading those guys sooner, I'm happy with the Zach return and I like Zach. If this #12 pick is great, I'm even happier with the return.

There's a rush to push Vucevic out the door, I get it. We have a whole off-season. Let's not write off a decent Vucevic trade before we really try in an off season, rather than mid season. There's at least a small chance we get a late first, right? If it happens, wasn't it worth the wait? Off season hasn't even begun.

[BullsSD]

When people talk about AK making moves too late, this one is critical. If they are 100% committed to re-signing Coby and are prepared to pay him a Zach Lavine contract, so be it. But time's up for making the Coby trade decision. We know more than enough about Coby at this point to be able to make the decision. The sooner we make it, the sooner we can plan the next steps.

Respectfully disagree. AKME has definitely been late to move off the DeBallZach era, however Coby has had a new role every single year. This is the first year he is in control and is coming off half a season of real success. I think the true timeline to know what Coby is is another half year, this year. At that point, we have a full season of him as the #1 option on the team.

Both Vuc and Coby CANNOT go past trade deadline this year. Vuc's time is done and he's a prime trade asset giving expiring contract. But Coby still has half a season for me.

[Infinity2152]

We have to make a decision by trade deadline anyway. Of every player in the NBA, the Bulls should know what they have in Coby. I'm not arguing for or against re-signing him. But I think waiting half a season isn't going to change your mind from whatever your decision is in the first place. The only thing Coby's play is likely to change is how much he's paid. Bad play, he gets less. Great play he gets. Either way, he's going to be a highly paid starting SG, presumably next to Giddey. The Bulls should be able to decide RIGHT NOW if that's what they want, and move accordingly.

Just want them to be decisive. We have enough info. Pick a lane, he's an upcoming unrestricted free agent. Everybody does know he could easily just go somewhere else next summer, regardless of what we want, unless we pay him the best offer? Even if we do? Make the decision now if you're prepared to commit, that's going to affect all our other player movements, maybe even the draft. We all know, whether or not Coby has a great season, if we'd be willing to pay him a Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal like contract, which is possible.

[Infinity2152]

AK could have a genius plan we don't know about. Hear me out. My personal philosophy, never let a contract expire. Hate shopping in free agency, prefer accumulating assets. We have 7 expiring contracts. The only two who would expire are Jevon Carter, unless I could get an expiring and a second back in a lateral trade, and Ayo, who I'd probably extend cheaply. So Huerter, Collins, Vucevic, White, Terry ALL have to go before the deadline. I'd take back contracts of decent to good players with money in 2026 (players like KCP, Keldon Johnson, Kuzma) to get first round picks. Don't care about any of those players except White anyway. Re-sign Tre Jones and trade Ball for a pick too. Forgo free agency 2026 to add multiple first and second round picks. Draft 2025 rookie. Play the season. Shop hard, try to add 4-5 first round picks to the pile, taking back a lot of cash expiring in 2027 off season. Hopefully Vucevic and Carter go in the trade for Kuminga.

Go into 2026 offseason with a bunch of expiring role player contracts again, 2025 rookie, 2026 rookie, Giddey, Matas, Kuminga, Ayo, Tre Jones, Smith and all the picks we picked up, instead of the cap space. Nobody's paid except Giddey and Kuminga, now we have expirings AND extra picks to send in a star trade if we want.

I know, never happen, but a guy can dream!

[BullsSD]

We have to make a decision by trade deadline anyway. Of every player in the NBA, the Bulls should know what they have in Coby. I'm not arguing for or against re-signing him. But I think waiting half a season isn't going to change your mind from whatever your decision is in the first place. The only thing Coby's play is likely to change is how much he's paid. Bad play, he gets less. Great play he gets. Either way, he's going to be a highly paid starting SG, presumably next to Giddey. The Bulls should be able to decide RIGHT NOW if that's what they want, and move accordingly.

Just want them to be decisive. We have enough info. Pick a lane, he's an upcoming unrestricted free agent. Everybody does know he could easily just go somewhere else next summer, regardless of what we want, unless we pay him the best offer? Even if we do? Make the decision now if you're prepared to commit, that's going to affect all our other player movements, maybe even the draft. We all know, whether or not Coby has a great season, if we'd be willing to pay him a Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal like contract, which is possible.

I look at it slightly different. For me, if Coby starts next season like he finished last season, I'm committed to him. If he comes out like old Coby, I'm good with trading him.

His knock has always been inconsistency. If giving him this shot removes that knock, I want him. If that's just who Coby is, he isn't a championship type #1 or #2 option.

[Chi town]

We have to make a decision by trade deadline anyway. Of every player in the NBA, the Bulls should know what they have in Coby. I'm not arguing for or against re-signing him. But I think waiting half a season isn't going to change your mind from whatever your decision is in the first place. The only thing Coby's play is likely to change is how much he's paid. Bad play, he gets less. Great play he gets. Either way, he's going to be a highly paid starting SG, presumably next to Giddey. The Bulls should be able to decide RIGHT NOW if that's what they want, and move accordingly.

Just want them to be decisive. We have enough info. Pick a lane, he's an upcoming unrestricted free agent. Everybody does know he could easily just go somewhere else next summer, regardless of what we want, unless we pay him the best offer? Even if we do? Make the decision now if you're prepared to commit, that's going to affect all our other player movements, maybe even the draft. We all know, whether or not Coby has a great season, if we'd be willing to pay him a Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal like contract, which is possible.

I look at it slightly different. For me, if Coby starts next season like he finished last season, I'm committed to him. If he comes out like old Coby, I'm good with trading him.

His knock has always been inconsistency. If giving him this shot removes that knock, I want him. If that's just who Coby is, he isn't a championship type #1 or #2 option.

Exactly where I am.

I’m betting Coby post Zach is the real Coby.

[Infinity2152]

We have to make a decision by trade deadline anyway. Of every player in the NBA, the Bulls should know what they have in Coby. I'm not arguing for or against re-signing him. But I think waiting half a season isn't going to change your mind from whatever your decision is in the first place. The only thing Coby's play is likely to change is how much he's paid. Bad play, he gets less. Great play he gets. Either way, he's going to be a highly paid starting SG, presumably next to Giddey. The Bulls should be able to decide RIGHT NOW if that's what they want, and move accordingly.

Just want them to be decisive. We have enough info. Pick a lane, he's an upcoming unrestricted free agent. Everybody does know he could easily just go somewhere else next summer, regardless of what we want, unless we pay him the best offer? Even if we do? Make the decision now if you're prepared to commit, that's going to affect all our other player movements, maybe even the draft. We all know, whether or not Coby has a great season, if we'd be willing to pay him a Zach Lavine, Bradley Beal like contract, which is possible.

I look at it slightly different. For me, if Coby starts next season like he finished last season, I'm committed to him. If he comes out like old Coby, I'm good with trading him.

His knock has always been inconsistency. If giving him this shot removes that knock, I want him. If that's just who Coby is, he isn't a championship type #1 or #2 option.

Let's say he is consistent the first half of the season. Let's say the rest of the entire season. Aren't you still basically re-signing Zach Lavine at his highest amount in free agency to play next to Giddey for the next few years? If he becomes a more consistent scorer, he's not likely to become better at defense and playmaking.

We re-sign Coby, we're likely looking at Giddey/Coby backcourt the next four years. Scoring should be fine, but who's stopping the ball? Who's guarding the All-Star offensive guards they'll be running into? If it's between Giddey and Coby, I pick Giddey to keep.

[Dez]

Coby should've been dealt at the deadline this season, his value is limited by needing a new contract.

I'd happily take a mid first round pick but nobody will offer that.

[Peelboy]

What will AK do? Easy:
1. Pre-empt Giddey’s RFA with a 4/$120 deal.
2. Extend Coby on a max.
3. Use #12 on a tools guy with questionable basketball skills and instincts.
4. Reject trades of Vuc for picks+salary.

Basically if you have a sense of what might be a smart move, pick the opposite.

[Dan Z]

Coby should've been dealt at the deadline this season, his value is limited by needing a new contract.

I'd happily take a mid first round pick but nobody will offer that.

Orlando was the only team I could see doing that, but they're out now.

Are there any teams that might offer future picks for him?

My guess is he's not traded and AK just re-signs him.

[Infinity2152]

Coby should've been dealt at the deadline this season, his value is limited by needing a new contract.

I'd happily take a mid first round pick but nobody will offer that.

Orlando was the only team I could see doing that, but they're out now.

Are there any teams that might offer future picks for him?

My guess is he's not traded and AK just re-signs him.

Teams that would offer future picks to me would be win now teams with older vets right now. A team trades for Coby, presuming he's a long term piece and starter. Teams with a set core or star(s) don't care about future rookies much. So, Clippers, Warriors, Bucks, Lakers, TWolves, Mavericks are the teams I'd target. Too good to tank, old stars, could use a consistent 20pt scorer right now. I know, some of those teams would have to acquire picks to make it work, but I'd approach those teams and wait. Teams are going to get desperate after the KD trade, cheap available scorers are hard to get.

Let's say the TWolves had White instead of Conley. Playoffs round 1: Conley averaged 6pts, 3rbs, 2assts. Round 2: 8pts, 3rbs, 5 assts. Round 3: 4 pts, 2 rbs, 2 assts. Swap White for Coby, they might be in the Finals about to win a championship.

Common thought is he's being re-signed. I'm sorry, to me he's not as good as prime Lavine. Would not expect that to go over well with the fanbase, does anyone see any way that Giddey/White works defensively? Letting a player of Coby's caliber get to unrestricted FA and re-signing him then should be a fireable offense. We're basically forced to pay top dollar, or lose him and get a measly $12 mill in cap space. Opposite of good cap management. Try to get equivalent assets now, instead of probably overpaying a bad fit.

Whether or not we're able to move Vucevic probably plays a huge role. Think the most probable deal for Coby would be with Dallas for Lively or Gafford plus picks, and that's not happening unless we move a center or two. Deal just makes too much sense. After Flagg, they'll have too many quality bigs and no good guards with Kyrie out for the year.

[Red8911]

New topic. You're the Bulls GM. Time has run out to make your decision on Coby White. Either we're going to pay him or we're going to trade him. Anybody getting deja vu? Isn't this pretty much the situation with Zach Lavine that got us here? Paying a pretty high-end one-way player a ton of money because we couldn't afford to lose him in FA? Regretting it for years?

When people talk about AK making moves too late, this one is critical. If they are 100% committed to re-signing Coby and are prepared to pay him a Zach Lavine contract, so be it. But time's up for making the Coby trade decision. We know more than enough about Coby at this point to be able to make the decision. The sooner we make it, the sooner we can plan the next steps.

Gun to your head, owner says make up your mind right now, keep or trade. What's your decision? I bring it up because we were rumored to be in talks with the Magic for Coby and they ended up giving up a lot for Bane instead. Bane's better, but I wonder what happened there and if Coby is actually on the block seriously.

Bane was most likely Orlando’s top target and they got him. They apparently liked him for a while and got him pretty quickly this offseason .If they didn’t get Bane then maybe they would have moved on to Coby or someone else.

I don’t think Coby is on the block but the Bulls will certainly listen to offers. If I had to guess there will be interest in him around the league.

What AK and the Bulls will do with Coby is what any of us would do. If there’s a good deal out there that makes sense then trade him. If not keep him and figure out his contract next year.

Let’s not forget that the Bulls can work out a sign and trade next year as a FA as well. There’s still options.

[Infinity2152]

New topic. You're the Bulls GM. Time has run out to make your decision on Coby White. Either we're going to pay him or we're going to trade him. Anybody getting deja vu? Isn't this pretty much the situation with Zach Lavine that got us here? Paying a pretty high-end one-way player a ton of money because we couldn't afford to lose him in FA? Regretting it for years?

When people talk about AK making moves too late, this one is critical. If they are 100% committed to re-signing Coby and are prepared to pay him a Zach Lavine contract, so be it. But time's up for making the Coby trade decision. We know more than enough about Coby at this point to be able to make the decision. The sooner we make it, the sooner we can plan the next steps.

Gun to your head, owner says make up your mind right now, keep or trade. What's your decision? I bring it up because we were rumored to be in talks with the Magic for Coby and they ended up giving up a lot for Bane instead. Bane's better, but I wonder what happened there and if Coby is actually on the block seriously.

Bane was most likely Orlando’s top target and they got him. They apparently liked him for a while and got him pretty quickly this offseason .If they didn’t get Bane then maybe they would have moved on to Coby or someone else.

I don’t think Coby is on the block but the Bulls will certainly listen to offers. If I had to guess there will be interest in him around the league.

What AK and the Bulls will do with Coby is what any of us would do. If there’s a good deal out there that makes sense then trade him. If not keep him and figure out his contract next year.

Let’s not forget that the Bulls can work out a sign and trade next year as a FA as well. There’s still options.

It's pretty axiomatic with a player like Coby, the less time on the contract the more his trade value decreases. By the time you get to S&T, there will be a ton of teams that can make straight offers to Coby without giving up any resources. We might get something back if the buying team wants to egt some money off the books and sends us a contract and assets for absorbing the contract. That's basically all you get in a S&T, unless teams can't outright sign the player. Let's not forget Coby could have a falling out with the Bulls, fall in love with a girl in Dallas, or for any number of reasons say "Screw you guys! You underpaid me for 4 years and you don't want to give me max??? I'm going to the Lakers!". We have NO control.

Coby's trade value was higher at the last deadline, he had one and a half cheap years left. It's higher now than it will be at the deadline, more teams have needs, making off season moves, full cheap year still. It'll be higher at the deadline than when he's an unrestricted free agent. With him, every day you wait and see, the trade value decreases.

We're re-signing Giddey. Take that as fact. All this wait and see is cap. Coby's been here 6 years. We know how athletic he is. We know how good a shooter. We know how short his arms are. We know he doesn't focus on defense and spends most of his energy on the other end. He's started like 500 games here. We know that with a Giddey/White backcourt, who the hell is going to guard Curry? Who's guarding Ja Morant? Who's fouling out in the second quarter guarding SGA or Brunson? If Coby becomes more consistent, he's a less athletic Zach Lavine with better ballhandling. Which is a fine player, but not next to Giddey. We can't keep ignoring the fact that Giddey is pretty much entrenched at PG, our SG needs to be a good defender. Look at the Finals.

[ChettheJet]

Just to look outside the box. We all assume that resigning Giddey is the Plan A and then we look for B and C.

What if there's a team that comes out of left field, they let it to be known to Giddey's people that they want to make him an offer, let's not be naive and think everybody that gets linked to a team 30 seconds after free agency opens and got it done that quick. Josh's people cal the Bulls and say they're looking at (any team here) and they'll offer this in a S&T for Giddey.

What teams offer what. There's Garland in CLE, Fox in SAS, Murray in DEN, LaMelo in CHA, Murray, NOP, Suggs in ORL, depending on their contracts do the Bulls look and think that guy for 1, 2, 3 years makes more sense because they can draft a PG at #12 or get a different guard back in a Vucevic trade. Plenty of teams with new GMs or that flopped in the payoffs are looking at what their future could be right now. Are there some $40M players who other teams think are worth less than Giddey at $35M and are some are really worth more than Giddey to the Bulls.