WesPeace wrote:Infinity2152 wrote:Dan Z wrote:
You're using Desmond Band and Mikal Bridges value as a gauge for what Vucevic might get in a trade?
He's a 34 year old center (he turns 35 in October) who isn't good defensively (at a position where most teams value defense).
If AK was willing to take on additional salary for him, then maybe I'd agree, but it seems like AK doesn't want to do that.
If you call comparing getting 4-5 picks to getting one pick the same thing, I guess. Point is future firsts don't mean nearly as much to some teams as others. Are you saying you would have given up 5 picks for Bridges or 4 picks plus players for Bane because they're such better players? Or do those teams not value picks much, compared to getting a boost now?
He's a 34 year old center who's good at shooting, which most centers are not and is elite at rebounding (at a position most teams value rebounding). There are guys who will be 40+ playing this year. And we don't need 10 teams to be willing to give up a first. We just need to find one. Anything is impossible until you try. He's expiring, very low risk for a team that wants to add some offensive punch.
On one hand AK is always accused of giving up too much in trades, at the same time being criticized for asking for too much in trades.
Moved Derozan in S&T: We had no rights to him, unrestricted free agent, got Duarte and a couple of seconds for basically nothing. Not enough, we could have got more if we traded him sooner.
Moved Zach Lavine and got Huerter and Collins, who have played well for us, and a first round pick. Consensus was we would get nothing for Zach. Not enough. We could have gotten more if we traded him sooner.
Know what Caruso was worth when we signed him? A $10 mill/yr contract. Flips that contract three years later, 29 yr old oft injured role player who averages about 22 mins for a 20pt triple double machine still on rookie contract. Not enough, we should have got a first too. We could have gotten more if we traded him sooner.
If he does trade Vucevic and doesn't get a first, it'll be not enough again. Heck, even if he does get the first, there will be some reason to say it's not enough. But somehow he keeps getting more for players than predicted.
We all have different opinions. I think if he looks long enough, and the right opportunity arises, we get that first. or he could rush and take whatever's immediately available.
I'm sorry,but what?? He keeps getting more than predicted? AKME are just bad in trades.. he SHOULD get more for Zach and Caruso, period! AKME put themselves in bad position with stupid decisions before actual trades, always waiting to long!!
Vucevic trade - he declined 2x 2nd rounders,which he shouldnt.. like those dumbasses declined 3x 2nd rounders for Drummond etc
He should have gotten more for Caruso? Do you possibly think Caruso is more valuable than Giddey? Caruso just re-signed for $20 mill, you think that's what Giddey is getting? In what world did we not win that deal? Long term young starter on a rookie contract for an EXPIRING bench role player that's always injured. The fact that we signed Caruso for $10 mill in FA should say something about his perceived value. Only reason people keep saying we should have gotten more is because the Thunder have so many picks, for some reason people think they don't treasure first round picks. Weird, since they worked so hard to stack them. Thunder would have laughed their asses off if we offered them Caruso for Giddey a year or two before. Giddey for Caruso was an overpay by a contender ready to win now. We won that trade easily based on talent, age, likely longevity, player impact (30+ minute starter), like come on.
Far as he should have gotten more for Zach, may I refer you to the 5000+ posts, some of which you probably posted, saying Zach is overpaid, bad defense, doesn't contribute to winning, blah, blah? How do you turn that into we should have gotten more than 3 productive players, because Jones, Huerter and Collins were productive and a lottery pick? Wonder what you would expect him to get for Zach if he wasn't overpriced, returning from injury, bad defense, low BBall IQ. Maybe we get three players and 6 first round picks? That's what people were expecting in a Zach trade?
We only got $40+ mill worth of players that fit well and played major minutes with shorter contracts, gone in 2026 and a lottery pick. When was there a big trade market for max Lavine?
Your opinion he shouldn't have turned down those two seconds. You just want to get rid of him for anything, what year were those seconds? What pick? Be hard to imagine an asset worth less than a late second years from now. Wow, we trade Vucevic and ended up with the 58th pick in 2027 and the 56th pick in 2031. Were we taking on long-term money, since you somehow have details on this trade that no one else has. Exactly what was offered with those two second round picks? What indication do you have that equal or better offers for Vucevic aren't out there right now? Because you think most trades happen at the deadline or before free agency even starts? Did Vucevic's value drop since the deadline, even though he had a great season and is now an expiring contract?
It's cool. If you think we should have gotten multiple firsts plus players back for Zach, multiple firsts for Caruso, and Vuc's value has dropped from a couple of seconds to not getting the same deal or better now, that's your opinion. We differ there. Saw a sports show today that 3 teams, GS, Lakers and Pistons have interest in Vucevic right now, but I guess you know best. NBA reporter Evan Sidery tweeted they're open to get a late first round pick in this draft for Vucevic. Probably won't happen, but why not take the shot? You miss every shot you don't take.