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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#881 » by GLF » Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:11 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:According to Blake Murphy, Ingram passed the ball on 40% of his drives, which is near the top of the league apparently, RJ Barrett was also in similar territory. So we have two players who can drive & dish, drive and attack.
Ingrams one pass away #s were good apparently as well


Where did Blake say this? Also I’ve been saying Ingram’s playmaking is what’s going to impress or surprise people about him that most. People love to do the Ingram and Pascal comparison, well playmaking is the one area he’s definitely better than Pascal. And it’s not like Pascal was a bad playmaker or selfish at all so it’s saying something.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#882 » by DreamTeam09 » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:01 pm

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DreamTeam09 wrote:According to Blake Murphy, Ingram passed the ball on 40% of his drives, which is near the top of the league apparently, RJ Barrett was also in similar territory. So we have two players who can drive & dish, drive and attack.
Ingrams one pass away #s were good apparently as well


Where did Blake say this? Also I’ve been saying Ingram’s playmaking is what’s going to impress or surprise people about him that most. People love to do the Ingram and Pascal comparison, well playmaking is the one area he’s definitely better than Pascal. And it’s not like Pascal was a bad playmaker or selfish at all so it’s saying something.


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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#883 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:04 pm

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MEDIC wrote:After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.

Ingram signed for 2 years, and Bane only has 3 years left on his deal. At least pretend to be objective.

But I would love to hear you justify why Bane was a good trade and Ingram was bad.

They're essentially making the same amount, Ingram is 9 months older, and neither is an epitome of good health. I'd say we got Ingram at a crazy discount considering everything.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#884 » by douggood » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:06 pm

Scase wrote:
MEDIC wrote:After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.

by that logic the pascal trade was a massive haul.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#885 » by MEDIC » Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:47 pm

Scase wrote:
MEDIC wrote:After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.


Well......the Raptors have him under contract for 2 more years. There was a pre-arranged agreement.

I take the BI deal.10/10 times.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#886 » by Scase » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:02 pm

MEDIC wrote:
Scase wrote:
MEDIC wrote:After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.


Well......the Raptors have him under contract for 2 more years. There was a pre-arranged agreement.

I take the BI deal.10/10 times.

Yes, because they effectively traded for his bird rights, not the player. How is this such a difficult thing for people to grasp. We paid for the rights to re-sign a guy.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#887 » by Scase » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:07 pm

GLF wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:According to Blake Murphy, Ingram passed the ball on 40% of his drives, which is near the top of the league apparently, RJ Barrett was also in similar territory. So we have two players who can drive & dish, drive and attack.
Ingrams one pass away #s were good apparently as well


Where did Blake say this? Also I’ve been saying Ingram’s playmaking is what’s going to impress or surprise people about him that most. People love to do the Ingram and Pascal comparison, well playmaking is the one area he’s definitely better than Pascal. And it’s not like Pascal was a bad playmaker or selfish at all so it’s saying something.

I think this is a good thing to look forward to, the one down side is that there is only one ball. Both of them can't do it, and if anything stuff like this is why RJ (unless he comes off the bench) is redundant with BI.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#888 » by YogurtProducer » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:21 pm

douggood wrote:
Scase wrote:
MEDIC wrote:After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.

by that logic the pascal trade was a massive haul.

Oh of course not! The goalposts shift drastically there! Who are you kidding?
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#889 » by tsherkin » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:37 pm

YogurtProducer wrote:
douggood wrote:
Scase wrote:One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.

by that logic the pascal trade was a massive haul.

Oh of course not! The goalposts shift drastically there! Who are you kidding?


I mean, unless the plan was to tank forever, I think we have to generally be happy with the Ingram trade. He's expensive, but if he's even remotely healthy, we got a pretty good player for fairly little.

And we got what, Bruce Brown and Ja'Kobe Walter, basically, out of the deal? There was a second first-rounder in there that went somewhere else, I just don't remember where.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#890 » by GLF » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:42 pm

Scase wrote:
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DreamTeam09 wrote:According to Blake Murphy, Ingram passed the ball on 40% of his drives, which is near the top of the league apparently, RJ Barrett was also in similar territory. So we have two players who can drive & dish, drive and attack.
Ingrams one pass away #s were good apparently as well


Where did Blake say this? Also I’ve been saying Ingram’s playmaking is what’s going to impress or surprise people about him that most. People love to do the Ingram and Pascal comparison, well playmaking is the one area he’s definitely better than Pascal. And it’s not like Pascal was a bad playmaker or selfish at all so it’s saying something.

I think this is a good thing to look forward to, the one down side is that there is only one ball. Both of them can't do it, and if anything stuff like this is why RJ (unless he comes off the bench) is redundant with BI.


Well it’s clear RJ is going to get traded eventually. He doesn’t seem to be in their plans for the future. It might not happen this offseason but it will happen, so we won’t have to worry about that forever. BUT I don’t think it hurts to have multiple guys who can handle the ball, play-make a bit and get into the paint. It’s actually one of the things that makes Pacers so hard to guard and so good even if they don’t have the stereotypical “number 1” option. And this is not me saying we are as good or close to as good as the Pacers bc we are not.

It’s just that against really good defensive teams only having 1 or 2 guys who can get into the paint and play make, or continue advantages by attacking and either scoring or playmaking is tough. Just as you can never have too many shooters, I also think in todays’ NBA you can never have too many ball handlers/playmakers. One guy can’t do it all because then teams will just focus on that one guy and get the ball out of their hands.

And as good as Pacers are at shooting, the paint touches are what gets them those good looks from 3. It all starts with their ability to get into the paint. RJ is good-great at that one skill and he’s actually a better off ball player than on ball. BI creating an advantage for RJ is perfect for his game, bc RJ needs someone to create that advantage for him to get easy driving lanes in the paint (which should hopefully improve his efficiency in there next season).

RJ is not someone who can get into the paint off a standstill consistently. It’s probably why his pick and roll with Jakob was one of the only good above average offensive plays we had last season. Jakob sets great screens that get RJ that head start he needs bc once RJ gets into the paint his last step is really good and he has the strength to muscle through guys. Then he improved his playmaking so he was hitting guys for a lot of good looks off that pick and roll. It’s also why Darko’s offensive system was so good for him because he always had him moving off curls or getting a running start to the paint. And a guys like BI can create those advantages for him along with the system itself.

But hey I know you hate RJ’s game so me saying all this to you is probably a waste of time haha. I know you don’t see it this way and that’s fine. Agree to disagree.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#891 » by MEDIC » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:46 pm

Scase wrote:
MEDIC wrote:
Scase wrote:One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.


Well......the Raptors have him under contract for 2 more years. There was a pre-arranged agreement.

I take the BI deal.10/10 times.

Yes, because they effectively traded for his bird rights, not the player. How is this such a difficult thing for people to grasp. We paid for the rights to re-sign a guy.


Sure. It was a great move by Masai. I am super happy that he traded for BI's bird rights & not Bane.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#892 » by Duffman100 » Tue Jun 17, 2025 10:59 pm

If you have a pre arranged agreement to sign someone to an extra two years, shouldn't that be a plus and taken as a solid GM route to get value from
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#893 » by tsherkin » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:23 pm

GLF wrote:RJ is not someone who can get into the paint off a standstill consistently.


He did look good running PnR with Jak last year, for sure.

But he's been getting into the paint very well consistently his whole career, even with Randall and Mitchell Robinson clogging up the paint. But also, it almost doesn't even matter, because you can get a basic screen on essentially any possession which would otherwise be an isolation, so it's somewhat moot.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#894 » by ArthurVandelay » Tue Jun 17, 2025 11:26 pm

BI for the 23rd pick….crazy

The Siakam deal was a win for both teams imo

I’ve said numerous times the offers just weren’t there for Siakam. Look back at the rumours from 2021-2023 and then remember his injuries plus COVID funk on a max. The fact Masai turned him into BI, Ja’Kobe, and Ochai is pretty impressive imo. I’ve sent flowers to Masai at OVO
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#895 » by YogurtProducer » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:14 am

tsherkin wrote:
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douggood wrote:by that logic the pascal trade was a massive haul.

Oh of course not! The goalposts shift drastically there! Who are you kidding?


I mean, unless the plan was to tank forever, I think we have to generally be happy with the Ingram trade. He's expensive, but if he's even remotely healthy, we got a pretty good player for fairly little.

And we got what, Bruce Brown and Ja'Kobe Walter, basically, out of the deal? There was a second first-rounder in there that went somewhere else, I just don't remember where.

Ended up Ingram Walter Agbaji Shead #39 this year
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#896 » by tsherkin » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:19 am

YogurtProducer wrote:
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YogurtProducer wrote:Oh of course not! The goalposts shift drastically there! Who are you kidding?


I mean, unless the plan was to tank forever, I think we have to generally be happy with the Ingram trade. He's expensive, but if he's even remotely healthy, we got a pretty good player for fairly little.

And we got what, Bruce Brown and Ja'Kobe Walter, basically, out of the deal? There was a second first-rounder in there that went somewhere else, I just don't remember where.

Ended up Ingram Walter Agbaji Shead #39 this year


Well, that's reasonable, if Ingram ends up healthy-ish. Kids are too young to really get a feel for the value, but there's any hope that it was worthwhile.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#897 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:21 am

Yeah New Orleans is a joke.

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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#898 » by GLF » Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:22 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Yeah New Orleans is a joke.

Read on Twitter


Ingram is in good hands here. We'll maximize his potential.



I’m glad someone posted this. For a player to say this about the organization they’re currently with publicly means you know it was bad.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#899 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:05 am

GLF wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:Yeah New Orleans is a joke.

Read on Twitter


Ingram is in good hands here. We'll maximize his potential.



I’m glad someone posted this. For a player to say this about the organization they’re currently with publicly means you know it was bad.


Dyson Daniels also voiced his displeasure with the Pels organization after he left.

Just a poorly ran franchise top to bottom. Damn shame because they got a pretty passionate fanbase.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#900 » by whitehops » Sat Jun 28, 2025 2:20 pm

it's gonna be really nice to have this shot-making next year:

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