Stein/Fischer: Toronto willing to deal RJ Barrett, IQ, Poeltl for Significant Upgrades // #9 Available

MiamiSPX · Post #1321 » by **MiamiSPX** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:15 pm

TorontoBarneys · Post #1322 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:21 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:

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There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

LoveMyRaps · Post #1323 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:21 pm

MiamiSPX wrote:

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He's coming home y'all.

ArthurVandelay · Post #1324 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:28 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:

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There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

I get it but I disagree. They have a contract to play, not play where they prefer. If they want a say in where they play, negotiate a no trade clause like Beal did.

Post #1325 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:29 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

100%. Use your leverage. Your team doesn't have your back, so why should you have theirs?

PushDaRock · Post #1326 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:30 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:

Get er done

Gross, taking on more salary and term for a worse player

PushDaRock · Post #1327 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:35 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:

Read on Twitter

There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

I get it but I disagree. They have a contract to play, not play where they prefer. If they want a say in where they play, negotiate a no trade clause like Beal did.

Who's saying he won't show up to play out his contract if he gets traded to a team he doesn't want to go to?

PushDaRock · Post #1328 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:36 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:

Get er done

I rather have Sheppard and Jabari than Green. Green is pretty bad right now.

lmao who wouldn't?

WuTang_OG · Post #1329 » by **WuTang_OG** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:41 pm

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James_Raptors · Post #1330 » by **James_Raptors** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:48 pm

tsherkin wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

100%. Use your leverage. Your team doesn't have your back, so why should you have theirs?

Because they signed a contract to play for said team, not one of the 29 "others" in the league..
And because they're not the General Manager, President or Owner of said team.

Post #1331 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:49 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

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PW and Jevon Carter are crap, though. So "salary flexibility and the 12th pick for RJ despite us almost 100% not getting Giannis" becomes that trade.

Post #1332 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:50 pm

James_Raptors wrote:Because they signed a contract to play for said team, not one of the 29 "others" in the league..
And because they're not the General Manager, President or Owner of said team.

I don't care about their role, tbh. The team has indicated that they want to trade him though, so this isn't a "just man up and finish your contract" situation, it's one where everyone appears on the same page.

James_Raptors · Post #1333 » by **James_Raptors** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:52 pm

tsherkin wrote:
James_Raptors wrote:Because they signed a contract to play for said team, not one of the 29 "others" in the league..
And because they're not the General Manager, President or Owner of said team.

I don't care about their role, tbh. The team has indicated that they want to trade him though, so this isn't a "just man up and finish your contract" situation, it's one where everyone appears on the same page.

Then there's nothing to discuss.

Post #1334 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:53 pm

James_Raptors wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
James_Raptors wrote:Because they signed a contract to play for said team, not one of the 29 "others" in the league..
And because they're not the General Manager, President or Owner of said team.

I don't care about their role, tbh. The team has indicated that they want to trade him though, so this isn't a "just man up and finish your contract" situation, it's one where everyone appears on the same page.

Then there's nothing to discuss.

I hear you, though. There are definitely times where players are like "omg, I'm a year into my contract and things aren't going to plan and I wanna leave because it's HARD."

I'm less down with that, but obviously there's a balance between "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS FREE AGENCY" and "players can do whatever they want" which isn't the easiest to find, you know?

ArthurVandelay · Post #1335 » by **ArthurVandelay** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:53 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
TorontoBarneys wrote:
There's no reason for players not to do this. Teams have shown time and again they have next to no loyalty to their players - players should respond in kind.

I get it but I disagree. They have a contract to play, not play where they prefer. If they want a say in where they play, negotiate a no trade clause like Beal did.

Who's saying he won't show up to play out his contract if he gets traded to a team he doesn't want to go to?

I don’t think that was said by anyone.

Shakril · Post #1336 » by **Shakril** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:54 pm

sidsid wrote:The issue has got to be finding a way to trade RJ. The Suns likely want IQ and Jak, and that creates some role problems on our end.

Finding a way to turn RJ into other pieces, when I assume he's only upped his value to neutral is the difficult piece. And the 9th pick and how you can leverage that in these tandem trades is another one (potential trade down scenarios).

Jak+IQ is there, but Masai wants 9+RJ to bring something to balance things out (the Blazers rumour for example).

Jak was never on the table. Its RJ + IQ + #9, these are the assetts that Masai is willing to give up.

James_Raptors · Post #1337 » by **James_Raptors** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:55 pm

tsherkin wrote:
James_Raptors wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
I don't care about their role, tbh. The team has indicated that they want to trade him though, so this isn't a "just man up and finish your contract" situation, it's one where everyone appears on the same page.

Then there's nothing to discuss.

I hear you, though. There are definitely times where players are like "omg, I'm a year into my contract and things aren't going to plan and I wanna leave because it's HARD."

I'm less down with that, but obviously there's a balance between "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS FREE AGENCY" and "players can do whatever they want" which isn't the easiest to find, you know?

Oh, I wasn't agreeing with anything you said my friend.
It just sounded like your stance was a box, without leaving much room for discussion
(and that's perfectly fine)

Cheers.

Shakril · Post #1338 » by **Shakril** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:56 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:

Get er done

Its already reported that Houston wont give up that much. They haven Jalen green + #10 pick, thats the offer.

PushDaRock · Post #1339 » by **PushDaRock** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:56 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:
ArthurVandelay wrote:
I get it but I disagree. They have a contract to play, not play where they prefer. If they want a say in where they play, negotiate a no trade clause like Beal did.

Who's saying he won't show up to play out his contract if he gets traded to a team he doesn't want to go to?

I don’t think that was said by anyone.

Ok, so if he fulfills his contract, then what's the problem really?

He's essentially telling certain teams don't waste your resources on me, I am a FA next season and want to pick a destination where I see a long term fit.

Post #1340 » by **tsherkin** » Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:57 pm

James_Raptors wrote:Oh, I wasn't agreeing with anything you said my friend.
It just sounded like your stance was a box, without leaving much room for discussion

I understand that you weren't agreeing with me; that's why I put the second part out there, because I can at least appreciate part of why you disagree with me.