2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 2

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Heat are under no pressure. For the Heat this is like Butler in Minnesota. Couldn't agree on a trade with Minnesota, Butler traded to 76ers for trash and got Butler as a sign and trade free agent. Heat can wait a yr or until Suns bend.

You want to trade for 38 year old Durant?

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Jimmy Butler is gone. This is not the 2019-2024 build anymore. Let it go. The Heat are 5 months in a rebuild around Herro and Bam.

You can't build around Herro and Bam. There's a reason why we were in search of a #1 or at least a #2 when we still had Butler. That reason is that neither Herro nor Bam fit either of those roles. You don't "build around" 3s & 4s.

Let it go.

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Spoiler:

I somewhat disagree.
With Herro making 30M next two years, there's a window to add a player like durant and then derozan and give this team that window to compete with bam davion ware etc.

If they dont get Durant than adding derozan or anyone else is just a dumb asset losing lateral move. And should just let the young dudes play, trade for assets if possible, get a good draft pick next draft and have cap for 2026-2027. Doing that, you lose one of those Herro years making relatively small amount. I wouldn't understand the appeal of getting Durant next year if PHX for whatever reason trades him to a team he doesnt want to play for, unless we intend on trading Herro away, cuz a core of max herro bam durant isn't winning anything.

We competed with Jimmy multiple times did we not? I think Durant is better than Jimmy and fits alongside Bam better. Davion has been a great find. Herro had his best year yet and is improving YoY. The East is weaker than ever, granted Magic and Pistons are on the upswing while Bucks and Celtics are injured. I didnt say we'd be favorites or win it all, but the disbelief is weird.

Jimmy sabotaged the team last year. We should've tanked. But thinking adding Durant and Derozan and sending out JJJ Wiggins Rozier Duncan whoever else doesnt make us a solid playoff team is weird.

So instead of trading for one old race horse you want to trade for two? Hell lets get Brook Lopez and Mike Conley while we're at it. We can keep a team of nurses on the sideline to help these guys off the bench when Spo sends them in.

Before: The Heatles

Now: The Glue Factory

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Conley pairs nicely next to Derozan

Get KD and then figure out how to add Brook Lopez.

I should have read the whole thread before posting. I just made the same joke.

[greg4012]

Heat are under no pressure. For the Heat this is like Butler in Minnesota. Couldn't agree on a trade with Minnesota, Butler traded to 76ers for trash and got Butler as a sign and trade free agent. Heat can wait a yr or until Suns bend.

You want to trade for 38 year old Durant?

I thought he was 48?

[SA37]

Spoiler:

We competed with Jimmy multiple times did we not? I think Durant is better than Jimmy and fits alongside Bam better. Davion has been a great find. Herro had his best year yet and is improving YoY. The East is weaker than ever, granted Magic and Pistons are on the upswing while Bucks and Celtics are injured. I didnt say we'd be favorites or win it all, but the disbelief is weird.

Jimmy sabotaged the team last year. We should've tanked. But thinking adding Durant and Derozan and sending out JJJ Wiggins Rozier Duncan whoever else doesnt make us a solid playoff team is weird.

So instead of trading for one old race horse you want to trade for two? Hell lets get Brook Lopez and Mike Conley while we're at it. We can keep a team of nurses on the sideline to help these guys off the bench when Spo sends them in.

Before: The Heatles

Now: The Glue Factory

So from your last few posts in this thread:

1) No to Durant, DeRozan, Lopez, or Conley.

2) you can't build around Herro and Bam.


Then Miami should do what? Trade Herro and Bam for expirings and picks? And then roll out a G-League team with a starting 5 of Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson, and Dru and see if Miami can out-tank Brooklyn?

Some of y'all need to forget about the Heat and become Sioux Falls Skyforce fans.

[contract]

Heat are under no pressure. For the Heat this is like Butler in Minnesota. Couldn't agree on a trade with Minnesota, Butler traded to 76ers for trash and got Butler as a sign and trade free agent. Heat can wait a yr or until Suns bend.

You want to trade for 38 year old Durant?

I thought he was 48?

He will be 37 this coming season. If we wait a year to acquire him like twix proposed, he will be 38.

[contract]

Spoiler:

We competed with Jimmy multiple times did we not? I think Durant is better than Jimmy and fits alongside Bam better. Davion has been a great find. Herro had his best year yet and is improving YoY. The East is weaker than ever, granted Magic and Pistons are on the upswing while Bucks and Celtics are injured. I didnt say we'd be favorites or win it all, but the disbelief is weird.

Jimmy sabotaged the team last year. We should've tanked. But thinking adding Durant and Derozan and sending out JJJ Wiggins Rozier Duncan whoever else doesnt make us a solid playoff team is weird.

So instead of trading for one old race horse you want to trade for two? Hell lets get Brook Lopez and Mike Conley while we're at it. We can keep a team of nurses on the sideline to help these guys off the bench when Spo sends them in.

Before: The Heatles

Now: The Glue Factory

So from your last few posts in this thread:

1) No to Durant, DeRozan, Lopez, or Conley.

2) you can't build around Herro and Bam.


Then Miami should do what? Trade Herro and Bam for expirings and picks? And then roll out a G-League team with a starting 5 of Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson, and Dru and see if Miami can out-tank Brooklyn?

Some of y'all need to forget about the Heat and become Sioux Falls Skyforce fans.

Or we can just be rational instead. On the plus side for some fans, a Seniors League should kick off around the time Lebron finally retires.

[SA37]

So instead of trading for one old race horse you want to trade for two? Hell lets get Brook Lopez and Mike Conley while we're at it. We can keep a team of nurses on the sideline to help these guys off the bench when Spo sends them in.

Before: The Heatles

Now: The Glue Factory

So from your last few posts in this thread:

1) No to Durant, DeRozan, Lopez, or Conley.

2) you can't build around Herro and Bam.


Then Miami should do what? Trade Herro and Bam for expirings and picks? And then roll out a G-League team with a starting 5 of Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson, and Dru and see if Miami can out-tank Brooklyn?

Some of y'all need to forget about the Heat and become Sioux Falls Skyforce fans.

Or we can just be rational instead. On the plus side for some fans, a Seniors League should kick off around the time Lebron finally retires.

What is "rational" about keeping (or extending) Herro/Bam if you can't build around them? You're not proposing a viable alternative or any semblance of a plan Miami should consider; you're really just saying Miami is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

This obsession with railing against players because of their age is irrational:

Lopez / Horford
LeBron / Batum
Durant / DeRozan
Klay / J Holiday
Paul / Conley

That team cooks most teams in the league and not 1 is under 35.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Curious how this works out cause the Suns actually need his money off the roster but either through trade or minimum free agency pickup after they release him he is a solid addition and has more handles than Caleb. Sun can’t aggregate but it’s possible they can do separate deal as a workaround. Jovic and JJJ just so happen to equal his salary and could be the workaround from the Durant deal.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Was shocked to see how ass of a shooter Cody is, I’ll pass. If we’re getting someone else from the suns it needs to be Royce. If we’re planning to sign Cody after he’s released there’s several players I’d rather go after

[twix2500]

Jimmy Butler is gone. This is not the 2019-2024 build anymore. Let it go. The Heat are 5 months in a rebuild around Herro and Bam.

You can't build around Herro and Bam. There's a reason why we were in search of a #1 or at least a #2 when we still had Butler. That reason is that neither Herro nor Bam fit either of those roles. You don't "build around" 3s & 4s.

Let it go.

Rather you think the Heat can or cant win a chip with Herro and Bam as your center piece, they have earned the right to be given a year to see how far they can go. The same was said about Butler and Dragic when the Heat were trying to trade for them. That turned out to be true but it was worth the watch as Butler and Dragic flourished when the team was structured to complement their talents. Herro made his 1st all-star and Bam is starting his prime years. A summer to fully focus on building around those two with an offensive scheme of players that complement their skill set may be worth the watch to see how they flourish. The tear it down and wait for a massiah to fall from heaven and choose Miami strategy is too far in-between and a death burn for viewers. I get it you want to have a massiah you believe in regardless if he is successful or not. You want someone who gives you faith. But like Butler and Dragic they didn't have your faith prior to playing for the Heat but at least they earned it when given a chance.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Was shocked to see how ass of a shooter Cody is, I’ll pass. If we’re getting someone else from the suns it needs to be Royce. If we’re planning to sign Cody after he’s released there’s several players I’d rather go after

Cody has a non guaranteed deal. Full 8.6 off the books if released by June 30th. From looking at the books I don’t see how the Suns don’t release him instead of taking money back in trade. Even if they get the Duncan contract. He’s a minimum pickup in my view. I would be fine with him as a reclamation project. He’s sort of a big combo guard who can play defense that maybe just needs some Caleb style fixing.

[Lennyzinho]

Was shocked to see how ass of a shooter Cody is, I’ll pass. If we’re getting someone else from the suns it needs to be Royce. If we’re planning to sign Cody after he’s released there’s several players I’d rather go after

Yeah fr. Who the heck cares about Cody Martin. Suns cant aggregate salaries. Cody Martin is barely an NBA player. This is just grasping at straws and trying to put something out there thats new and be click bait.

Hope this Durant trade is finalized by tomorrow.

[Kobewade11]

So from your last few posts in this thread:

1) No to Durant, DeRozan, Lopez, or Conley.

2) you can't build around Herro and Bam.


Then Miami should do what? Trade Herro and Bam for expirings and picks? And then roll out a G-League team with a starting 5 of Ware, Jovic, Jaquez, Larsson, and Dru and see if Miami can out-tank Brooklyn?

Some of y'all need to forget about the Heat and become Sioux Falls Skyforce fans.

Contract doesnt have a plan, I thought everyone here knew?

[twix2500]

Was shocked to see how ass of a shooter Cody is, I’ll pass. If we’re getting someone else from the suns it needs to be Royce. If we’re planning to sign Cody after he’s released there’s several players I’d rather go after

Cody has a non guaranteed deal. Full 8.6 off the books if released by June 30th. From looking at the books I don’t see how the Suns don’t release him instead of taking money back in trade. Even if they get the Duncan contract. He’s a minimum pickup in my view. I would be fine with him as a reclamation project. He’s sort of a big combo guard who can play defense that maybe just needs some Caleb style fixing.

Cody initially was the better version Martin

[twix2500]

Was shocked to see how ass of a shooter Cody is, I’ll pass. If we’re getting someone else from the suns it needs to be Royce. If we’re planning to sign Cody after he’s released there’s several players I’d rather go after

Cody has a non guaranteed deal. Full 8.6 off the books if released by June 30th. From looking at the books I don’t see how the Suns don’t release him instead of taking money back in trade. Even if they get the Duncan contract. He’s a minimum pickup in my view. I would be fine with him as a reclamation project. He’s sort of a big combo guard who can play defense that maybe just needs some Caleb style fixing.

Yeah I'm not sure how they would facilitate a deal for Cody. I'm not sure if Stien was speaking a hypothetical or he was told Cody name was put into trade negotiations. Maybe it was just a backdoor invite for Cody if he gets released and may ask for a release like when Kendrick Nunn asked to be released so he could sign with Lakers

[MettaWorldPanda]

Was shocked to see how ass of a shooter Cody is, I’ll pass. If we’re getting someone else from the suns it needs to be Royce. If we’re planning to sign Cody after he’s released there’s several players I’d rather go after

Cody has a non guaranteed deal. Full 8.6 off the books if released by June 30th. From looking at the books I don’t see how the Suns don’t release him instead of taking money back in trade. Even if they get the Duncan contract. He’s a minimum pickup in my view. I would be fine with him as a reclamation project. He’s sort of a big combo guard who can play defense that maybe just needs some Caleb style fixing.

Cody initially was the better version Martin

I clearly remember he was. He’s been put in some bad spots recently trying to get playing time throughout the years. Stats could be deceiving

[MettaWorldPanda]

Was shocked to see how ass of a shooter Cody is, I’ll pass. If we’re getting someone else from the suns it needs to be Royce. If we’re planning to sign Cody after he’s released there’s several players I’d rather go after

Cody has a non guaranteed deal. Full 8.6 off the books if released by June 30th. From looking at the books I don’t see how the Suns don’t release him instead of taking money back in trade. Even if they get the Duncan contract. He’s a minimum pickup in my view. I would be fine with him as a reclamation project. He’s sort of a big combo guard who can play defense that maybe just needs some Caleb style fixing.

Yeah I'm not sure how they would facilitate a deal for Cody. I'm not sure if Stien was speaking a hypothetical or he was told Cody name was put into trade negotiations. Maybe it was just a backdoor invite for Cody if he gets released and may ask for a release like when Kendrick Nunn asked to be released so he could sign with Lakers

There’s a backdoor loophole that he can be aggregated with Durant. I know your anti trade checker lol but punch in Durant and Martin for Duncan, Wiggins, and Jaquez Jr on fanspo and it oddly works. Maybe it’s because the Suns end up in the 1st apron after deal but it works.

* Rozier, Duncan, JJJ, and Keshad Johnson for Martin and Durant aggregated also works

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yeah I remember Cody was clearly better coming up but Caleb easily passed him up in the NBA, I can go on the free agent tracker and find 50 guys I’d rather have for the minimum than Cody tbh. Hell, I’ll be pissed if he’s getting minutes over Pelle. Bring the real Martin twin back if we want one of them. hell, we were hesitant to trade Caleb for Dame and then lost him for nothing