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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#801 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 1:56 pm

thamadkant wrote:Even if KD is let go for nothing, Suns cannot sign impact players... they have Booker and Beal taking 110M of the salary. KD walking out just means Suns lose their best player for nothing.


Correct. And even if they stretch Beal - he is still taking up $19m on the roster and combined with inevitable MLE player that Ishbia "will just HAVE to sign" - combined with Allen and O'Neale

This needs to be a two year timeline and not sure Ishbia can think that long ahead

I truly don't care where Durant wants to go - -just get the best deal with the understanding it will be better than anything they can get at the deadline and next summer.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#802 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:03 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:If u guys land IQ thats a score. Down year last season only cuz of injuries and we sat him a bunch cuz we wanted to tank. But the guy got good upside and can light it up from 3. High character too. It would suck losing him


It would take a lot to get IQ and Barrett though if Poeltl is not included since a player like O'Neale cannot be added with the Suns apron levels
unless its a post 7/1 trade

I just don't think the Suns should do the deal without Poeltl
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#803 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:13 pm

Hold em. These proposed deals are jokes. Some contender will need a KD some time this year
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#804 » by KLEON » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:46 pm

RaisingArizona wrote:Hold em. These proposed deals are jokes. Some contender will need a KD some time this year

What were the Spurs offering?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#805 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:47 pm

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The Phoenix Suns believe that they will be able to trade Kevin Durant before Wednesday's NBA Draft, sources told Marc Stein of the Stein Line and Jake Fischer of The People's Insider.

It was reported earlier this week that trade talk for Durant aren't progressing as quickly as the team hoped.

IMO it's Raptors or Heat.

Key pieces:

Quickly, Barrett and #9.

Wiggins, Jovic and #20.

The Heat needs to add at least one unprotected FRP.


IMO without Ware and by simple value comparison, you take the Raptors offer and run with it because the 9th pick is an exponentially better / more valuable asset than the 20th pick being a fringe late 1st.

And also, even in comparing Wiggins and Barrett, the clear answer should be Barrett as he's younger with more remaining upside and a better producer than Wiggins currently who appears emotionally and competitively checked out.

And finally you have Jovic. Jovic is somewhat intriguing, but I'd not a centerpiece option, was inconsistent in his role last season and missed significant time with injuries.


He might have significant upside, or he might be just a mediocre injury prone facsimile of Mike Muscala or Ryan Andersen. Overall, the value isn't terrible, but it's not good either! And between the two offers, it's really not close!

Ultimately, I could care less what KD wants after he deliberately nixed two great deals for our team in a power play to control his destination while we get very poor garbage offers. This isn't about accommodating KD, is about our franchise's future!
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#806 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:52 pm

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RaisingArizona wrote:Hold em. These proposed deals are jokes. Some contender will need a KD some time this year

What were the Spurs offering?


Something around Vassell/ Barnes/ 14th pick I believe. They weren't willing to include Sochan or any additional draft assets ( ATL 27' 1st etc).
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Post#807 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:56 pm

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RaisingArizona wrote:Hold em. These proposed deals are jokes. Some contender will need a KD some time this year

What were the Spurs offering?


Something around Vassell/ Barnes/ 14th pick I believe. They weren't willing to include Sochan or any additional draft assets ( ATL 27' 1st etc).



Sochan or a couple seconds

Flip Vassell for Claxton or Gaffords
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#808 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:04 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:If u guys land IQ thats a score. Down year last season only cuz of injuries and we sat him a bunch cuz we wanted to tank. But the guy got good upside and can light it up from 3. High character too. It would suck losing him


It would take a lot to get IQ and Barrett though if Poeltl is not included since a player like O'Neale cannot be added with the Suns apron levels
unless its a post 7/1 trade

I just don't think the Suns should do the deal without Poeltl


Not actually man! The deal would be a three team trade with this being the basic framework:

Toronto-
KD.

Brooklyn-
Barrett/ O'neale or Allen (for Johnson)/ Richards/ 9th pick/TOR future 1st (protected) (for Claxton)/ 19th, 26th, 36th pick.


Phoenix-
Quickly/ Johnson/ Claxton/ filler/ 19th, 26th, 36th picks.

Toronto gets KD while also keeping Poetl. Brooklyn gets the additional top 10 lottery pick that they've been coveting, they also get solid tradable assets in Barrett, Allen, and Richards ( cheaper stopgap or backup center alternative for Claxton). And they're also getting salary fillers to help them reach the salary floor threshold.

Phoenix addresses their point guard needs, their starting caliber defensive center needs and add draft assets to get multiple swings at young athletic cost controlled talent. This is easily the best KD trade outcome we could successfully complete.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#809 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:08 pm

BobbieL wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
KLEON wrote:What were the Spurs offering?


Something around Vassell/ Barnes/ 14th pick I believe. They weren't willing to include Sochan or any additional draft assets ( ATL 27' 1st etc).



Sochan or a couple seconds

Flip Vassell for Claxton or Gaffords


They were intentionally withholding Sochan because they have no respect for our front office. And are expecting to fleece us.

The lack of experience and reputation around the league is what's causing these lowball offers because the legitimate GM's just aren't taking our front office seriously given what they've shown so far.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#810 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:20 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
The Phoenix Suns believe that they will be able to trade Kevin Durant before Wednesday's NBA Draft, sources told Marc Stein of the Stein Line and Jake Fischer of The People's Insider.

It was reported earlier this week that trade talk for Durant aren't progressing as quickly as the team hoped.

IMO it's Raptors or Heat.

Key pieces:

Quickly, Barrett and #9.

Wiggins, Jovic and #20.

The Heat needs to add at least one unprotected FRP.


IMO without Ware and by simple value comparison, you take the Raptors offer and run with it because the 9th pick is an exponentially better / more valuable asset than the 20th pick being a fringe late 1st.

And also, even in comparing Wiggins and Barrett, the clear answer should be Barrett as he's younger with more remaining upside and a better producer than Wiggins currently who appears emotionally and competitively checked out.

And finally you have Jovic. Jovic is somewhat intriguing, but I'd not a centerpiece option, was inconsistent in his role last season and missed significant time with injuries.


He might have significant upside, or he might be just a mediocre injury prone facsimile of Mike Muscala or Ryan Andersen. Overall, the value isn't terrible, but it's not good either! And between the two offers, it's really not close!

Ultimately, I could care less what KD wants after he deliberately nixed two great deals for our team in a power play to control his destination while we get very poor garbage offers. This isn't about accommodating KD, is about our franchise's future!


I truly could care less what KD wants. Suns need to be smart
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Post#811 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:21 pm

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Again! KD trying to power play his way to his preferred destination instead of equitably working with us just to get what he wants while we get a terrible outcome isn't and shouldn't even be a consideration from this point!

KD is NOT in control here! He doesn't have a NTC. KD already screwed us out if a 3 team trade that would gave had us get back Claxton and other good assets, he also screwed us out if a very solid Minnesota offer.

So unless the Houston offer gets significantly better including young players and the 10th pick, etc. Our front office needs to send a power play message back to all of the teams that lowballed us intentionally and take the Toronto offer with Barrett/ Quickly and the 9th pick!!!

This is easily the highest value of players being offered and the highest pick ( lotto being offered for KD) even without KD being willing to commit long term.

Ishbia and Gregory should take this Toronto offer, and tell KD to pack his bags for Toronto for not being willing to work WITH US!! And then give all of these other teams the finger on the way out. :wink:
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Post#813 » by Bogyo » Sat Jun 21, 2025 3:56 pm

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Again! KD trying to power play his way to his preferred destination instead of equitably working with us just to get what he wants while we get a terrible outcome isn't and shouldn't even be a consideration from this point!

KD is NOT in control here! He doesn't have a NTC. KD already screwed us out if a 3 team trade that would gave had us get back Claxton and other good assets, he also screwed us out if a very solid Minnesota offer.

So unless the Houston offer gets significantly better including young players and the 10th pick, etc. Our front office needs to send a power play message back to all of the teams that lowballed us intentionally and take the Toronto offer with Barrett/ Quickly and the 9th pick!!!

This is easily the highest value of players being offered and the highest pick ( lotto being offered for KD) even without KD being willing to commit long term.

Ishbia and Gregory should take this Toronto offer, and tell KD to pack his bags for Toronto for not being willing to work WITH US!! And then give all of these other teams the finger on the way out. :wink:


EXACT SAME situation 2 years ago, but the reasoning was the total opposite. WE HAVE TO GIVE UP THE FARM!!! F this bs - send him home, I don't care about the losses at this point. I"ve reached a point where I would have more joy out of doing that than getting even an OKish package for him (that we are not about to get, due to him being a world class b1tchassclownsnake.) Plus our front offices incompetence who have absolutely no idea whatsoever how to negotiate.
(Oh and just for **** go look up what happened in the CP3 trades, you will want to slit your wrist... OKC got picks given to them by Houston to take CP off their hands, due to his age, his contract situation, etc... He plays an OK year there, wants to leave, he ONLY wants to come to the Suns due to our young core, and WE have to give up picks. I mean its just mindfngboggling to me how this franchise can be such a putrid, below basement level, no iq, (Please Use More Appropriate Word) collection of dingleberries. / rant over)
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#814 » by starbosa10 » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:18 pm

Unless it's a 3 team trade, we literally can't do a IQ/Barret for KD trade financially
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#815 » by RaisingArizona » Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:30 pm

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Again! KD trying to power play his way to his preferred destination instead of equitably working with us just to get what he wants while we get a terrible outcome isn't and shouldn't even be a consideration from this point!

KD is NOT in control here! He doesn't have a NTC. KD already screwed us out if a 3 team trade that would gave had us get back Claxton and other good assets, he also screwed us out if a very solid Minnesota offer.

So unless the Houston offer gets significantly better including young players and the 10th pick, etc. Our front office needs to send a power play message back to all of the teams that lowballed us intentionally and take the Toronto offer with Barrett/ Quickly and the 9th pick!!!

This is easily the highest value of players being offered and the highest pick ( lotto being offered for KD) even without KD being willing to commit long term.

Ishbia and Gregory should take this Toronto offer, and tell KD to pack his bags for Toronto for not being willing to work WITH US!! And then give all of these other teams the finger on the way out. :wink:


EXACT SAME situation 2 years ago, but the reasoning was the total opposite. WE HAVE TO GIVE UP THE FARM!!! F this bs - send him home, I don't care about the losses at this point. I"ve reached a point where I would have more joy out of doing that than getting even an OKish package for him (that we are not about to get, due to him being a world class b1tchassclownsnake.) Plus our front offices incompetence who have absolutely no idea whatsoever how to negotiate.
(Oh and just for **** go look up what happened in the CP3 trades, you will want to slit your wrist... OKC got picks given to them by Houston to take CP off their hands, due to his age, his contract situation, etc... He plays an OK year there, wants to leave, he ONLY wants to come to the Suns due to our young core, and WE have to give up picks. I mean its just mindfngboggling to me how this franchise can be such a putrid, below basement level, no iq, (Please Use More Appropriate Word) collection of dingleberries. / rant over)


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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#816 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:03 pm

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Again! KD trying to power play his way to his preferred destination instead of equitably working with us just to get what he wants while we get a terrible outcome isn't and shouldn't even be a consideration from this point!

KD is NOT in control here! He doesn't have a NTC. KD already screwed us out if a 3 team trade that would gave had us get back Claxton and other good assets, he also screwed us out if a very solid Minnesota offer.

So unless the Houston offer gets significantly better including young players and the 10th pick, etc. Our front office needs to send a power play message back to all of the teams that lowballed us intentionally and take the Toronto offer with Barrett/ Quickly and the 9th pick!!!

This is easily the highest value of players being offered and the highest pick ( lotto being offered for KD) even without KD being willing to commit long term.

Ishbia and Gregory should take this Toronto offer, and tell KD to pack his bags for Toronto for not being willing to work WITH US!! And then give all of these other teams the finger on the way out. :wink:


I think its Houston . It has been Houston for 12 months and the deal will be
Green, Smith -- if not Smith - -substitute Londale and Cam Whitmore plus a pick for Durant

And Green will be flipped for a player that better fits - it all just makes too much sense
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#817 » by BobbieL » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:08 pm

starbosa10 wrote:Unless it's a 3 team trade, we literally can't do a IQ/Barret for KD trade financially


Unless its a post July 1 trade where
1) Martin is released or his option not picked up or whatever
2) Micic option not picked up - we know this one is happening
3) Beal is stretched to the point they get cap space to allow mult-player trades

4) Durant and Royce for IQ and Barrett
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Post#818 » by RaptorLakerJay » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:16 pm

starbosa10 wrote:Unless it's a 3 team trade, we literally can't do a IQ/Barret for KD trade financially


This 100%! That Brooklyn trade y'all suggested works but 3-team deals are kind of unlikely to happen which is why I doubt it.
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Post#819 » by WeekapaugGroove » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:31 pm

I don't like his fit with Booker but I would think Green could have some apeal around the league. Only 23 and physically gifted and his advanced stats have generally improved each year. You'd think some team would want to take a shot on him.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#820 » by sunsbg » Sat Jun 21, 2025 5:56 pm

Just take TOR deal and tell **** you everybody - KD and those other teams. #9 is a Suns lucky draft number, maybe they find a gem there.

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