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[Mavrelous]

With the buzz about Lakers working out both Laravia/Day'Ron sharp? what can they offer both in FA?

Sharpe TPMLE, Laravia minimum

[dcstanley]

MIA in: Bogdan Bogdanovic, Derrick Jones Jr
LAC in: Andrew Wiggins

What do the Clippers owe here? #30 overall in this years draft doesn't seem like enough but a FRP or even a swap in a future draft seems a bit much.

[zimpy27]

With the buzz about Lakers working out both Laravia/Day'Ron sharp? what can they offer both in FA?

Sharpe TPMLE, Laravia minimum

Yeah something like that. Lakers are going to use FA this season.

I actually wonder if they'd consider Kleber+Dalton to Nets for 27 and opening the space for NT-MLE and BAE.

[SlimShady83]

With the buzz about Lakers working out both Laravia/Day'Ron sharp? what can they offer both in FA?

Sharpe TPMLE, Laravia minimum

Yeah something like that. Lakers are going to use FA this season.

I actually wonder if they'd consider Kleber+Dalton to Nets for 27 and opening the space for NT-MLE and BAE.

I want both solid back ups then they just have to work out the right trade

[jayu70]

“Sources say Atlanta, meanwhile, is actively exploring ways to capitalize on a $25 million trade exception it still possesses as a vestige from last summer's Dejounte Murray trade to New Orleans. Hawks in play for some potential sign-and-trade scenarios once the offseason begins”

Who should the Hawks target in free agency as a possible SnT? It doesn't need to be one player for the full $25, it could be 2 players for $18 and $7 or something like that.

[Godaddycurse]

“Sources say Atlanta, meanwhile, is actively exploring ways to capitalize on a $25 million trade exception it still possesses as a vestige from last summer's Dejounte Murray trade to New Orleans. Hawks in play for some potential sign-and-trade scenarios once the offseason begins”

Who should the Hawks target in free agency as a possible SnT?

Kuminga?

[jayu70]

“Sources say Atlanta, meanwhile, is actively exploring ways to capitalize on a $25 million trade exception it still possesses as a vestige from last summer's Dejounte Murray trade to New Orleans. Hawks in play for some potential sign-and-trade scenarios once the offseason begins”

Who should the Hawks target in free agency as a possible SnT?

Kuminga?

Is he willing to take a bench role?
What is his salary ask?

[jayjaysee]

See a lot of Atl trading cap space and seconds for Gafford which is probably the best one, but here we are with some random bad ones trying to find a better asset for Dallas while keeping Atlanta happy?

Gafford and distant seconds for 22 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 22 - Dallas says no?

Gafford and a top 4 protected 2026 swap for 22 and a couple seconds? Maybe both sides look at it?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 13 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford, Naji and a top 3 protected 2026 swap for 13 and Niang? Maybe both sides look at it? With Dallas using Prosper and a future second or two to dump Niang on a third team to open up most/some/all of the MLE.

Atlanta gets to bet against AD being able to carry a team, especially with KD wanting to play with Wemby from the looks of it, while also getting two affordable pieces you’re happy playing 25~ minutes per game..

Or if Dallas actually wanted to try to win something and not just do the two time line thing.. being able to make a trade package of Klay+13th+2029 LAL first for a guy making 36-40~ million. With the ability to add more youth value (Lively:2031 first) or more neutral/positive salary (PJ, Martin, Christie) depending on the player in mind..

[Godaddycurse]

See a lot of Atl trading cap space and seconds for Gafford which is probably the best one, but here we are with some random bad ones trying to find a better asset for Dallas while keeping Atlanta happy?

Gafford and distant seconds for 22 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 22 - Dallas says no?

Gafford and a top 4 protected 2026 swap for 22 and a couple seconds? Maybe both sides look at it?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 13 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford, Naji and a top 3 protected 2026 swap for 13 and Niang? Maybe both sides look at it? With Dallas using Prosper and a future second or two to dump Niang on a third team to open up most/some/all of the MLE.

Atlanta gets to bet against AD being able to carry a team, especially with KD wanting to play with Wemby from the looks of it, while also getting two affordable pieces you’re happy playing 25~ minutes per game..

Or if Dallas actually wanted to try to win something and not just do the two time line thing.. being able to make a trade package of Klay+13th+2029 LAL first for a guy making 36-40~ million. With the ability to add more youth value (Lively:2031 first) or more neutral/positive salary (PJ, Martin, Christie) depending on the player in mind..

I say no to all of these swaps offer because their 2026 1st is already incredibly complicated lol. I dont even know whose pick they are projected to have right now.

[jayu70]

See a lot of Atl trading cap space and seconds for Gafford which is probably the best one, but here we are with some random bad ones trying to find a better asset for Dallas while keeping Atlanta happy?

Gafford and distant seconds for 22 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 22 - Dallas says no?

Gafford and a top 4 protected 2026 swap for 22 and a couple seconds? Maybe both sides look at it?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 13 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford, Naji and a top 3 protected 2026 swap for 13 and Niang? Maybe both sides look at it? With Dallas using Prosper and a future second or two to dump Niang on a third team to open up most/some/all of the MLE.

Atlanta gets to bet against AD being able to carry a team, especially with KD wanting to play with Wemby from the looks of it, while also getting two affordable pieces you’re happy playing 25~ minutes per game..

Or if Dallas actually wanted to try to win something and not just do the two time line thing.. being able to make a trade package of Klay+13th+2029 LAL first for a guy making 36-40~ million. With the ability to add more youth value (Lively:2031 first) or more neutral/positive salary (PJ, Martin, Christie) depending on the player in mind..

I don't see the Hawks trading #13 except to trade up. 13 is a spot where they can potentially get a player that falls out of the top 10. I don't like the 2026 swaps for either pick as we already have an initial swap with the Spurs, then another convoluted swap with the Cavs via Utah and I think 2 other teams. Nothing to be gained on the positive side of the ledger for 13 or 22 in that scenario.

[jayjaysee]

See a lot of Atl trading cap space and seconds for Gafford which is probably the best one, but here we are with some random bad ones trying to find a better asset for Dallas while keeping Atlanta happy?

Gafford and distant seconds for 22 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 22 - Dallas says no?

Gafford and a top 4 protected 2026 swap for 22 and a couple seconds? Maybe both sides look at it?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 13 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford, Naji and a top 3 protected 2026 swap for 13 and Niang? Maybe both sides look at it? With Dallas using Prosper and a future second or two to dump Niang on a third team to open up most/some/all of the MLE.

Atlanta gets to bet against AD being able to carry a team, especially with KD wanting to play with Wemby from the looks of it, while also getting two affordable pieces you’re happy playing 25~ minutes per game..

Or if Dallas actually wanted to try to win something and not just do the two time line thing.. being able to make a trade package of Klay+13th+2029 LAL first for a guy making 36-40~ million. With the ability to add more youth value (Lively:2031 first) or more neutral/positive salary (PJ, Martin, Christie) depending on the player in mind..

I don't see the Hawks trading #13 except to trade up. 13 is a spot where they can potentially get a player that falls out of the top 10. I don't like the 2026 swaps for either pick as we already have an initial swap with the Spurs, then another convoluted swap with the Cavs via Utah and I think 2 other teams. Nothing to be gained on the positive side of the ledger for 13 or 22 in that scenario.

Am I wrong?

The Cleveland/Utah part is only if Utah tries to win (they shouldn’t) or Cleveland wins the lottery somehow… or and then if Atlanta or SAS finishes with a better record than Cleveland? That seems unlikely

Only one of those seems to have any real odds of happening, though I guess they’re all possible?

So the swap is most likely just betting on AD/Flagg not being able to carry a team as well as either Wemby/Fox/whoever they add or Jalen/Trae.

That seems like a safe bet even as a Dallas fan…

[Godaddycurse]

See a lot of Atl trading cap space and seconds for Gafford which is probably the best one, but here we are with some random bad ones trying to find a better asset for Dallas while keeping Atlanta happy?

Gafford and distant seconds for 22 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 22 - Dallas says no?

Gafford and a top 4 protected 2026 swap for 22 and a couple seconds? Maybe both sides look at it?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 13 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford, Naji and a top 3 protected 2026 swap for 13 and Niang? Maybe both sides look at it? With Dallas using Prosper and a future second or two to dump Niang on a third team to open up most/some/all of the MLE.

Atlanta gets to bet against AD being able to carry a team, especially with KD wanting to play with Wemby from the looks of it, while also getting two affordable pieces you’re happy playing 25~ minutes per game..

Or if Dallas actually wanted to try to win something and not just do the two time line thing.. being able to make a trade package of Klay+13th+2029 LAL first for a guy making 36-40~ million. With the ability to add more youth value (Lively:2031 first) or more neutral/positive salary (PJ, Martin, Christie) depending on the player in mind..

I don't see the Hawks trading #13 except to trade up. 13 is a spot where they can potentially get a player that falls out of the top 10. I don't like the 2026 swaps for either pick as we already have an initial swap with the Spurs, then another convoluted swap with the Cavs via Utah and I think 2 other teams. Nothing to be gained on the positive side of the ledger for 13 or 22 in that scenario.

Am I wrong?

The Cleveland/Utah part is only if Utah tries to win (they shouldn’t) or Cleveland wins the lottery somehow… or and then if Atlanta or SAS finishes with a better record than Cleveland? That seems unlikely

Only one of those seems to have any real odds of happening, though I guess they’re all possible?

So the swap is most likely just betting on AD/Flagg not being able to carry a team as well as either Wemby/Fox/whoever they add or Jalen/Trae.

That seems like a safe bet even as a Dallas fan…

If thats the case I think as it stands all 3 teams (ATL/SAS/DAL) projects to be in the 9-15 range so the difference isnt enough to warrant moving a lotto pick for?

[brackdan70]

With their big TPE the Hawks will have lots of opportunities to help facilitate big trades, taking on salary for assets.
Or they can target players they want and send 22 Or other minor assets.

[jayjaysee]

I don't see the Hawks trading #13 except to trade up. 13 is a spot where they can potentially get a player that falls out of the top 10. I don't like the 2026 swaps for either pick as we already have an initial swap with the Spurs, then another convoluted swap with the Cavs via Utah and I think 2 other teams. Nothing to be gained on the positive side of the ledger for 13 or 22 in that scenario.

Am I wrong?

The Cleveland/Utah part is only if Utah tries to win (they shouldn’t) or Cleveland wins the lottery somehow… or and then if Atlanta or SAS finishes with a better record than Cleveland? That seems unlikely

Only one of those seems to have any real odds of happening, though I guess they’re all possible?

So the swap is most likely just betting on AD/Flagg not being able to carry a team as well as either Wemby/Fox/whoever they add or Jalen/Trae.

That seems like a safe bet even as a Dallas fan…

If thats the case I think as it stands all 3 teams (ATL/SAS/DAL) projects to be in the 9-15 range so the difference isnt enough to warrant moving a lotto pick for?

Well it’s not moving a lottery pick for it though?

It’s moving a lottery pick for it, Gafford and Naji. And if all 4 teams finish between 9-15 and Dallas is the 9, that means Atlanta gets to move from 15 to 9. That’s worth a lot, right?

And I had 4 suggestions in the thread so we could be talking about 22 if 13 was too much..

[jayu70]

See a lot of Atl trading cap space and seconds for Gafford which is probably the best one, but here we are with some random bad ones trying to find a better asset for Dallas while keeping Atlanta happy?

Gafford and distant seconds for 22 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 22 - Dallas says no?

Gafford and a top 4 protected 2026 swap for 22 and a couple seconds? Maybe both sides look at it?

Gafford and a 2026 swap for 13 - Atlanta says no?

Gafford, Naji and a top 3 protected 2026 swap for 13 and Niang? Maybe both sides look at it? With Dallas using Prosper and a future second or two to dump Niang on a third team to open up most/some/all of the MLE.

Atlanta gets to bet against AD being able to carry a team, especially with KD wanting to play with Wemby from the looks of it, while also getting two affordable pieces you’re happy playing 25~ minutes per game..

Or if Dallas actually wanted to try to win something and not just do the two time line thing.. being able to make a trade package of Klay+13th+2029 LAL first for a guy making 36-40~ million. With the ability to add more youth value (Lively:2031 first) or more neutral/positive salary (PJ, Martin, Christie) depending on the player in mind..

I don't see the Hawks trading #13 except to trade up. 13 is a spot where they can potentially get a player that falls out of the top 10. I don't like the 2026 swaps for either pick as we already have an initial swap with the Spurs, then another convoluted swap with the Cavs via Utah and I think 2 other teams. Nothing to be gained on the positive side of the ledger for 13 or 22 in that scenario.

Am I wrong?

The Cleveland/Utah part is only if Utah tries to win (they shouldn’t) or Cleveland wins the lottery somehow… or and then if Atlanta or SAS finishes with a better record than Cleveland? That seems unlikely

Only one of those seems to have any real odds of happening, though I guess they’re all possible?

So the swap is most likely just betting on AD/Flagg not being able to carry a team as well as either Wemby/Fox/whoever they add or Jalen/Trae.

That seems like a safe bet even as a Dallas fan…

The difference between the range of the swaps isn't enough value to give up #13, a lottery pick in this draft.

[jayjaysee]

I don't see the Hawks trading #13 except to trade up. 13 is a spot where they can potentially get a player that falls out of the top 10. I don't like the 2026 swaps for either pick as we already have an initial swap with the Spurs, then another convoluted swap with the Cavs via Utah and I think 2 other teams. Nothing to be gained on the positive side of the ledger for 13 or 22 in that scenario.

Am I wrong?

The Cleveland/Utah part is only if Utah tries to win (they shouldn’t) or Cleveland wins the lottery somehow… or and then if Atlanta or SAS finishes with a better record than Cleveland? That seems unlikely

Only one of those seems to have any real odds of happening, though I guess they’re all possible?

So the swap is most likely just betting on AD/Flagg not being able to carry a team as well as either Wemby/Fox/whoever they add or Jalen/Trae.

That seems like a safe bet even as a Dallas fan…

The difference between the range of the swaps isn't enough value to give up #13, a lottery pick in this draft.

Yes. Fair. But you responded to it about 13 and 22..

[Mavrelous]

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[jredsaz]

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[tester551]

With the buzz about Lakers working out both Laravia/Day'Ron sharp? what can they offer both in FA?

What Buzz are you referring to?
FA has not started & it's not legal for teams to contact/ work out other players yet

[jayjaysee]

So Atlanta’s 2026 first isn’t bad enough to feel Gafford and a swap are not worth 13 or 22. Strongly disagree, but not giving up the template…

Washington has one of the least valuable firsts in the league (2026 worst of Houston/OKC/LAC) and a roster full of youth/flexibility/etc..

What would Washington pay to get to swap that first for Dallas’ 2026 first? Would not trade that for Poole*