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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#101 » by eminence » Thu May 29, 2025 4:19 am

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Braggins wrote:Im still not really sure how Sorber isn't considered the top center in this class.


Similar here. Given passing medicals he’s #3 on my board overall.

Great measurables, smart player on both ends.


Who's game do you see his looking like at the next level which has you taking him at 3.


Al Horford wasn't a bad mention earlier, my first thought was rich man's Looney.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#102 » by EMG518 » Thu May 29, 2025 4:42 am

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Similar here. Given passing medicals he’s #3 on my board overall.

Great measurables, smart player on both ends.


Who's game do you see his looking like at the next level which has you taking him at 3.


Al Horford wasn't a bad mention earlier, my first thought was rich man's Looney.



Fair enough.

I personally am not a fan, haven't made a list yet but I'm sure he would be more towards the back of the 1st round if anything for me.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#103 » by The-Power » Thu May 29, 2025 12:34 pm

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Braggins wrote:Im still not really sure how Sorber isn't considered the top center in this class.


Similar here. Given passing medicals he’s #3 on my board overall.

Great measurables, smart player on both ends.

Sorber is tough to pin down for me. I really do like his rim protection and the passing flashes. I am concerned about his ability to defend in space and his effectiveness in a more limited offensive role (play finisher and/or floor spacer).

I have generally moved away from ranking players who are strictly Centers and not elite talents too highly. They just seem to not have a ton of market value in the NBA even when they are solid players on the court. You can get players of Looney's caliber pretty easily for very little resources and even when they project to be better, how high can you justify drafting them?
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#104 » by eminence » Thu May 29, 2025 12:44 pm

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Braggins wrote:Im still not really sure how Sorber isn't considered the top center in this class.


Similar here. Given passing medicals he’s #3 on my board overall.

Great measurables, smart player on both ends.

Sorber is tough to pin down for me. I really do like his rim protection and the passing flashes. I am concerned about his ability to defend in space and his effectiveness in a more limited offensive role (play finisher and/or floor spacer).

I have generally moved away from ranking players who are strictly Centers and not elite talents too highly. They just seem to not have a ton of market value in the NBA even when they are solid players on the court. You can get players of Looney's caliber pretty easily for very little resources and even when they project to be better, how high can you justify drafting them?


Right about #3 I'd say :D
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#105 » by The-Power » Thu May 29, 2025 12:49 pm

eminence wrote:
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eminence wrote:
Similar here. Given passing medicals he’s #3 on my board overall.

Great measurables, smart player on both ends.

Sorber is tough to pin down for me. I really do like his rim protection and the passing flashes. I am concerned about his ability to defend in space and his effectiveness in a more limited offensive role (play finisher and/or floor spacer).

I have generally moved away from ranking players who are strictly Centers and not elite talents too highly. They just seem to not have a ton of market value in the NBA even when they are solid players on the court. You can get players of Looney's caliber pretty easily for very little resources and even when they project to be better, how high can you justify drafting them?


Right about #3 I'd say :D

:D

Well played. I'm certainly more reserved (I'd take him somewhere in the teens provided that his medicals check out) but I'm currently trying to rank players 3-15 and what a crapshoot that feels like. So I'm not going to argue too much with someone ranking a player 3rd that I have outside the lottery this year. :lol:
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#106 » by eminence » Thu May 29, 2025 1:00 pm

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The-Power wrote:Sorber is tough to pin down for me. I really do like his rim protection and the passing flashes. I am concerned about his ability to defend in space and his effectiveness in a more limited offensive role (play finisher and/or floor spacer).

I have generally moved away from ranking players who are strictly Centers and not elite talents too highly. They just seem to not have a ton of market value in the NBA even when they are solid players on the court. You can get players of Looney's caliber pretty easily for very little resources and even when they project to be better, how high can you justify drafting them?


Right about #3 I'd say :D

:D

Well played. I'm certainly more reserved (I'd take him somewhere in the teens provided that his medicals check out) but I'm currently trying to rank players 3-15 and what a crapshoot that feels like. So I'm not going to argue too much with someone ranking a player 3rd that I have outside the lottery this year. :lol:


More seriously, I can see him bordering on that 'elite' level - as a consistent Allstar level, sneak a 3rd team or two type of guy. Maybe doesn't actually make the teams cause he's defense focused - but that level of impact. That's obviously the upside play, but I'd give him a pretty good (healthy) floor as well.

I don't have the same concern about him defending in space and I think that does a lot for me feeling good about him. He's not Draymond, but I think he'll be a roughly average mobility starting NBA center.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#107 » by ReggiesKnicks » Thu May 29, 2025 4:04 pm

I think Sorber's incredible hands help him defend in space even if his foot speed isn't elite. It's rare for a player his size to utilize his hands like he does.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#108 » by BlazersBroncos » Thu May 29, 2025 4:40 pm

I actually think Nurkic is a better comparison than Horford.

Al had a 35.5" max vert coming out - he was a tremendous athlete. Sorber simply doesnt have the same twitch.

Now recency bias would place a comparison to Nurkic as being down on Sorber but I disagree. Pre injury Nurkic was a beast. Sadly after snapping his leg Nurkic went from 'just enough athleticism to excel' to a simply lumbering big man.

So my comp would be pre-snapped-leg Jusuf Nurkic. Similar height and weight, both + passers and generally high IQ on both sides of the court. I hope Sorber can build out a consistent 3 in a way Nurkic has not been able to - that is the difference between Sorber being a middle level starter and a high level 4th option IMO.

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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#109 » by MrTribbiani » Thu May 29, 2025 7:32 pm

If I were Chicago I would take him at 12. He's a better prospect than someone like Derik Queen IMO.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#110 » by bucknut » Thu May 29, 2025 9:30 pm

more mobile sound roy hibbert. See similar offensive game and vertical leap. And they both went to gtown.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#111 » by Dat2U » Thu May 29, 2025 10:06 pm

Kevon Looney pre-injury. Will really be a solid drop coverage defender with the ocassional ability to hold up in switches. Question is offensive ceiling but I think he could potentially have little more offensive juice with his passing instincts, especially if he develops a jump shot.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#112 » by Klomp » Mon Jun 23, 2025 3:43 pm

I really wonder if the injury is doing him a disservice in terms of pre-draft "hype", which could actually benefit him in the long run. It's a case of out of sight, out of mind. Georgetown finished its season 3-7 after he went down.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#113 » by EvanZ » Thu Jun 26, 2025 1:55 am

Rich get richer. Sorber and Chet could be so fun.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#114 » by EvanZ » Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:06 am

Upperclass wrote:This player archetype comes along every few years and never works out. He's likely a mid to late 2nd rounder


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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#115 » by RollingWave » Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:28 am

Braggins wrote:Im still not really sure how Sorber isn't considered the top center in this class.


I guess the rationale is that he's a bit under athletic at least by the standards of top prospects, still I like his game though, fundamentally sound and clearly a knows how to play guy, outside of potential injury risk the floor's really high here, even had he now been drafted by OKC just seems like a dude that's going to end up on a lot of winning teams.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#116 » by The-Power » Thu Jun 26, 2025 7:13 am

Perfect spot for him. He can back up Hartenstein and we'll see how he develops from there.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#117 » by Upperclass » Thu Jun 26, 2025 9:13 pm

Sorber plays like Greg Monroe and has injury issues. Presti's mid-round drafting is pretty shakey aside from Jalen, and he even took him behind Ousmane.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#118 » by ReggiesKnicks » Yesterday 12:25 am

Upperclass wrote:Sorber plays like Greg Monroe and has injury issues. Presti's mid-round drafting is pretty shakey aside from Jalen, and he even took him behind Ousmane.


Eh, Presti has a clear strategy in the mid-round, which is high-variance. That's how he ended up with Jalen.

It isn't necessarily bad, but it does mean he will miss some.
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Post#119 » by Upperclass » Yesterday 12:38 am

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Upperclass wrote:Sorber plays like Greg Monroe and has injury issues. Presti's mid-round drafting is pretty shakey aside from Jalen, and he even took him behind Ousmane.


Eh, Presti has a clear strategy in the mid-round, which is high-variance. That's how he ended up with Jalen.

It isn't necessarily bad, but it does mean he will miss some.


If that was the case, you pick Jean Beringer in that spot. Sorber on that team is a throw away pick. They already have the other Jaylin Williams who plays the exact same and cant get on the floor.
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Re: Thomas Sorber thread 

Post#120 » by ReggiesKnicks » Yesterday 1:15 am

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Upperclass wrote:Sorber plays like Greg Monroe and has injury issues. Presti's mid-round drafting is pretty shakey aside from Jalen, and he even took him behind Ousmane.


Eh, Presti has a clear strategy in the mid-round, which is high-variance. That's how he ended up with Jalen.

It isn't necessarily bad, but it does mean he will miss some.


If that was the case, you pick Jean Beringer in that spot. Sorber on that team is a throw away pick. They already have the other Jaylin Williams who plays the exact same and cant get on the floor.


Sorber is much more talented than Jaylin Williams, but you are entitled to your heavy opinions.

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