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[Ron Swanson]

We should be able to build somthing here right?

Let Brook and Bobby go (Sign and Trade)
Prince gone
Trade Kuzma and Conny.

ReSign Trent and Porter.

PG: Porter..........Rollins...........Lillard
SG: Trent............Green...........Jackson
SF: X...................X...................Livingston
PF: Giannis.........Smith...........X
C: X....................Sims.............X

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Assuming you're using the BAE and MLE to re-sign Porter and Trent, this looks pretty bleak unless you're magically getting 3-4 starting caliber NBA players in those trades/sign and trades.

[German Athens]

I think the entire direction of the team basically comes down to one question:

Do you think the late season success of that 5 man group is real?

How you answer that question is also likely the source of most of the disagreements on this board right now.

[emunney]

I think the entire direction of the team basically comes down to one question:

Do you think the late season success of that 5 man group is real?

How you answer that question is also likely the source of most of the disagreements on this board right now.

I think it probably is but we should be approaching it with uncertainty. That said, I think it's the only semi-reasonable immediate path forward.

[James1980]

We should be able to build somthing here right?

Let Brook and Bobby go (Sign and Trade)
Prince gone
Trade Kuzma and Conny.

ReSign Trent and Porter.

PG: Porter..........Rollins...........Lillard
SG: Trent............Green...........Jackson
SF: X...................X...................Livingston
PF: Giannis.........Smith...........X
C: X....................Sims.............X

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Assuming you're using the BAE and MLE to re-sign Porter and Trent, this looks pretty bleak unless you're magically getting 3-4 starting caliber NBA players in those trades/sign and trades.

I'd say AJ Green could start at SF so you are looking at this:

PG: Porter..........Veteran PG......Rollins...........Lillard
SG: Trent.............Jackson........Draft pick?
SF: Green...................X...................Livingston
PF: Giannis.........Smith...........X
C: X....................Sims.............X

Trying to get a starting C, veteran PG, and veteran backup wing out of Bobby, Kuzma, and Pat and/or free agency.

[fansinceforever]

The Bucks finally are ready to escape Lopez and build a team that's built for the playoffs, but instead Bucks fans want to waste salary and assets on Porzingis. Sometimes I think we don't deserve to win.

We need wings or combo forwards. Everything else is a luxury we can't afford.

These statements seem to assume that Giannis is timeless and will put up with a year + of nothing basketball.

The Bucks need to do something and whatever they do is coming with risk. Just the reality.

[Ron Swanson]

Agree with emmuney. It being the most realistic path forward and believing that it's some sort of sustainable blueprint for building a contender around Giannis are two completely separate questions. By all means, would like to retain Porter, Trent, and Bobby for reasons beyond an 80-possession sample size in a series that we lost convincingly. It's worth exploring anything that yields even somewhat successful results until proven otherwise, but acting like Giannis/Bobby and three 6'4 replacement level guards is some sort of black box "death lineup" that we need to build the entire plane out of? Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.

This team should be in talent and/or asset accumulation mode both this offseason and next. Even if Dame comes back looking only slightly diminished, I can't see any scenario where you don't have to bring in another Top-30ish type player if this team has any illusions of championship contention before Giannis' next extension kicks in (whether it's here or elsewhere). And that's before we even get into the weeds of how difficult it is to evaluate a roster with a botom-5 coach pulling the strings (Doc).

[James1980]

What assets do we have to get a top 30 player?

[German Athens]

I think the entire direction of the team basically comes down to one question:

Do you think the late season success of that 5 man group is real?

How you answer that question is also likely the source of most of the disagreements on this board right now.

I think it probably is but we should be approaching it with uncertainty. That said, I think it's the only semi-reasonable immediate path forward.

I think gaining clarity on it has to be one of the main goals this year.

I think over the past 6 years or so, maybe a plurality of conversations around here have revolved around the idea of getting more versatile for playoff matchups. I think this year, I’m most interested in the opposite. Get overlapping skillset shooters at different sizes and spam it. Have a clear answer.

Optimistically, that squad could obliterate a bunch of teams, and force others, like Indiana did these playoffs, to guard and contain on multiple fronts. It could be hell to deal with.

Pessimistically, the lack of traditional perimeter creation could lead to long offensive possessions without the ability to easily generate space. It could be an offense that gets stuck in mud too often.

Like you, I think it has to be pursued, because the cost to acquire those skillsets is a hell of a lot cheaper than the other.

[Ron Swanson]

What assets do we have to get a top 30 player?

Right now? We don't. Next offseason? Possibly.

[Bernman]

What assets do we have to get a top 30 player?

Other teams thinking KPJ is too unreliable to touch, then him maybe proving to be one w/ renewed opportunity.

[ReasonablySober]

The most realistic path to an asset is there not being a strong market for KPJ, bringing him back, and having him show out.

[German Athens]

I get wanting to wait a year to offer a better package, but it absolutely has to maximize the value of those assets, otherwise it serves no purpose waiting a year.

We’d have 3 1sts and 1 unrestricted swap available, but that whole package is at a very difficult intersection between age and ability. It could be there, and could absolutely be worth it, but waiting is risky too.

I agree with Ron that we need to find a top-30 talent or two, but I think we’ll almost certainly have to acquire them where they aren’t there yet, and hope they can become that alongside Giannis.

[Ron Swanson]

I keep coming back to Luke Kennard as a guy who I think would be a pretty awesome fit here with Giannis. Unlike a lot of these guys who are strictly catch and shoot guards/wings, he's both a lethal shooter off movement and also has some secondary play-making ability. If he's not getting anything more than the taxpayer MLE, could be a good option.

[machu46]

I keep coming back to Luke Kennard as a guy who I think would be a pretty awesome fit here with Giannis. Unlike a lot of these guys who're strictly catch and shoot guards/wings, he's both a lethal shooter off movement and also has some secondary play-making ability. If he's not getting anything more than the taxpayer MLE, could be a good option.

We could do a lot worse. Would obviously be targeted on defense but beggars can't be choosers.

I'd personally prefer a focus on defense but if we go the other direction, he's a good option.

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[BUCKnation]

Agree with emmuney. It being the most realistic path forward and believing that it's some sort of sustainable blueprint for building a contender around Giannis are two completely separate questions. By all means, would like to retain Porter, Trent, and Bobby for reasons beyond an 80-possession sample size in a series that we lost convincingly. It's worth exploring anything that yields even somewhat successful results until proven otherwise, but acting like Giannis/Bobby and three 6'4 replacement level guards is some sort of black box "death lineup" that we need to build the entire plane out of? Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.

This team should be in talent and/or asset accumulation mode both this offseason and next. Even if Dame comes back looking only slightly diminished, I can't see any scenario where you don't have to bring in another Top-30ish type player if this team has any illusions of championship contention before Giannis' next extension kicks in (whether it's here or elsewhere). And that's before we even get into the weeds of how difficult it is to evaluate a roster with a botom-5 coach pulling the strings (Doc).

Everyone's favorite lineup of Bobby, GA, Trent, Green and Porter was +6.3 net rtg in the playoffs in 64 min. In the reg season in 42 min, sadly, it was a +51

[Bernman]

Agree with emmuney. It being the most realistic path forward and believing that it's some sort of sustainable blueprint for building a contender around Giannis are two completely separate questions. By all means, would like to retain Porter, Trent, and Bobby for reasons beyond an 80-possession sample size in a series that we lost convincingly. It's worth exploring anything that yields even somewhat successful results until proven otherwise, but acting like Giannis/Bobby and three 6'4 replacement level guards is some sort of black box "death lineup" that we need to build the entire plane out of? Yeah, that's gonna be a no from me dawg.

This team should be in talent and/or asset accumulation mode both this offseason and next. Even if Dame comes back looking only slightly diminished, I can't see any scenario where you don't have to bring in another Top-30ish type player if this team has any illusions of championship contention before Giannis' next extension kicks in (whether it's here or elsewhere). And that's before we even get into the weeds of how difficult it is to evaluate a roster with a botom-5 coach pulling the strings (Doc).

Everyone's favorite lineup of Bobby, GA, Trent, Green and Porter was +6.3 net rtg in the playoffs in 64 min. In the reg season in 42 min, sadly, it was a +51

Out-playing the Pacers, heavily away, is a feather in that lineup's cap. And maybe it gets much better even when they have that choke out of their way from that 1st start + don't have to play 10 more minutes than their counterparts to fade.

That might entail fostering some depth & enjoying growth with their experience too. If Rollins & Sims came back, Doc would have more reasons to trust them seemingly. Then it's building on top to have even more depth with whatever resources remain.

[German Athens]

I really hope we target Hauser. We could probably get him for free if part of a larger deal.

Bring him home.

[pifhluk23]

I really hope we target Hauser. We could probably get him for free if part of a larger deal.

Bring him home.

Should be able to get him for Pat, unless the Cs want to send him into empty space in which case maybe we attach a 2nd to the 3rd team for taking Pat for a year.

[soxperry]

The most realistic path to an asset is there not being a strong market for KPJ, bringing him back, and having him show out.

You are correct sir!

[Frank Nova]

I keep coming back to Luke Kennard as a guy who I think would be a pretty awesome fit here with Giannis. Unlike a lot of these guys who are strictly catch and shoot guards/wings, he's both a lethal shooter off movement and also has some secondary play-making ability. If he's not getting anything more than the taxpayer MLE, could be a good option.

Kennard or Trent Jr if you had to pick 1?