INDY Teardown w/ SAS and POR

[jowglenn]

The Milwaukee picks are swaps, but I don't think Portland even trades the swaps in this deal.

There's no way Portland leverages the future for Siakam.

The way I see it, the future is Avdija and Camara and Henderson and Sharpe… this Portland team can’t rebuild forever and I think they are ready to take the leap

[Malapropism]

The Milwaukee picks are swaps, but I don't think Portland even trades the swaps in this deal.

There's no way Portland leverages the future for Siakam.

The way I see it, the future is Avdija and Camara and Henderson and Sharpe… this Portland team can’t rebuild forever and I think they are ready to take the leap

If they believe that is the future, why are they trading for someone that benches one of those guys? We're not talking about a superstar level player here.

[Rich4114]

is that Grant or Mark Williams?

I don't think I want to trade Mark for any realistic price, just let him either prove he can stay healthy or not, and let that determine whether he's a long-term starter or if we need to look for a new starter and have him be the league's best backup C

GRANT

then yes you have a deal

Seconded

[Helsbyte]

The Milwaukee picks are swaps, but I don't think Portland even trades the swaps in this deal.

There's no way Portland leverages the future for Siakam.

The way I see it, the future is Avdija and Camara and Henderson and Sharpe… this Portland team can’t rebuild forever and I think they are ready to take the leap

If they believe that is the future, why are they trading for someone that benches one of those guys? We're not talking about a superstar level player here.

That isn't a superstar offer nor is it an offer that Indy would part with Siakim. Who by the way if was paying attention is an all star, the ECF MVP, and probably the finals MVP had the Pacers won. So no thanks, do better.

[Helsbyte]

The way I see it, the future is Avdija and Camara and Henderson and Sharpe… this Portland team can’t rebuild forever and I think they are ready to take the leap

If they believe that is the future, why are they trading for someone that benches one of those guys? We're not talking about a superstar level player here.

That isn't a superstar offer nor is it an offer that Indy would part with Siakim. Who by the way if you was paying attention is an all star, the ECF MVP, and probably the finals MVP had the Pacers won. So no thanks, do better.

[Brandon-Clyde]

The way I see it, the future is Avdija and Camara and Henderson and Sharpe… this Portland team can’t rebuild forever and I think they are ready to take the leap

If they believe that is the future, why are they trading for someone that benches one of those guys? We're not talking about a superstar level player here.

That isn't a superstar offer nor is it an offer that Indy would part with Siakim. Who by the way if was paying attention is an all star, the ECF MVP, and probably the finals MVP had the Pacers won. So no thanks, do better.

If this has been three years ago before the Blazers traded Dame and Siakam was three years younger I would have no problem paying fair value for him but it is 2025 Dame is gone and Siakam is 31 years old. It just doesn't make sense for the Blazers to make such a trade at this time in their rebuild. Especially since Siakam will earn $45 million , $49 million and $53 million over the next three seasons.

[jowglenn]

If they believe that is the future, why are they trading for someone that benches one of those guys? We're not talking about a superstar level player here.

That isn't a superstar offer nor is it an offer that Indy would part with Siakim. Who by the way if was paying attention is an all star, the ECF MVP, and probably the finals MVP had the Pacers won. So no thanks, do better.

If this has been three years ago before the Blazers traded Dame and Siakam was three years younger I would have no problem paying fair value for him but it is 2025 Dame is gone and Siakam is 31 years old. It just doesn't make sense for the Blazers to make such a trade at this time in their rebuild. Especially since Siakam will earn $45 million , $49 million and $53 million over the next three seasons.

OK... but Jerami Grant is 31 years old, and is making 32, 34, and 36. Ayton is making 35. So it's not like this is all brand new money - it's replacing some pretty bad money on Grant

[jowglenn]

What if I flip this whole thing around and send Turner to Portland and Siakam to San Antonio?

Turner S&T for Ayton & future picks

Siakam for Barnes, Vassell, 14, future picks?

[Helsbyte]

What if I flip this whole thing around and send Turner to Portland and Siakam to San Antonio?

Turner S&T for Ayton & future picks

Siakam for Barnes, Vassell, 14, future picks?

There is just no upside to the picks. Indy should be looking to reload for 26/27 season. Any package that includes either Siakim or Turner who are both win now players would require some young players with upside. Ayton, Grant, Barnes,Vassell have 0 value to Indy and would probably be viewed as salary fillers. That might not be fair but none of those players would on the roster in 26/27 and picks alone won't do it. Now do I think Portland is ready to contend? No I don't. But others may have different opinions on Portland.

[Myth]

That isn't a superstar offer nor is it an offer that Indy would part with Siakim. Who by the way if was paying attention is an all star, the ECF MVP, and probably the finals MVP had the Pacers won. So no thanks, do better.

If this has been three years ago before the Blazers traded Dame and Siakam was three years younger I would have no problem paying fair value for him but it is 2025 Dame is gone and Siakam is 31 years old. It just doesn't make sense for the Blazers to make such a trade at this time in their rebuild. Especially since Siakam will earn $45 million , $49 million and $53 million over the next three seasons.

OK... but Jerami Grant is 31 years old, and is making 32, 34, and 36. Ayton is making 35. So it's not like this is all brand new money - it's replacing some pretty bad money on Grant

I’ll admit that I paused to really consider the proposal for Siakam. I think it is fair, and I think it is bold. And I agree with the financial comparison you made. My hesitations are his age, and the picks going out limiting follow up moves that push us further into contention. It kind of feels like anything can happen in the East and I’d probably quickly say yes if Portland were East. In the West it feels like chips be pushed in too early and backfire. Most of the team does not feel ready, and if it takes them multiple years, the Siakam may be declining by then.

BUT….

Let’s breakdown the Blazers path if they did make this move.

Lineup:
Scoot/McConnell
Simons/Sharpe/Thybulle
Deni/Camara
Siakam/Obi
Clingan/(Siakam)/RWIII

I actually like this lineup a decent amount. An underrated aspect of the proposal is the added depth of McConnell and Obi. I’ve seen it pointed out that we may not want to push one of Deni or Camara to the bench, but that is a good problem to have. I think at times if they want to go big, Deni can play some point or Camara can play some SG. Or “small ball” that isn’t too small with Siakam at center, then Deni and Camara in their more natural positions. I’d still like more defense at guard positions, but follow up trades can be made. It is pretty crazy that Blazers retain the 2029 1sts in a Siakam trade. We could still trade the more valuable of those paired with salary for another upgrade. Honestly, the more I look at this, the more I like it. F*ck it, I’m in!

Edit: Well, Blazers got their defensive guard in Jrue lol.

[One_and_Done]

I can't see the Pacers blowing it up, or the Spurs having much interest in Turner (certainly not at this price), since he'd be a back-up for them.

[basketballwacko2]

The Pacers should not blow it up, but if they do, Charlotte should top that Siakam offer by just throwing down the 4th pick on table for him and TJ.

What would you offer?

[basketballwacko2]

also i know the temptation and it sucks what happened. Last two times my Mavs have been to the Finals they have wrecked those team and regretted it. Stay the course.

Who regrets this last tear down? Maybe the fans, but Nico is too stupid to regret it lol

You're talking about the trade of Doncic. I firmly believe that is the owners didn't want to pay him a super max. I think also that the Mavs should have gotten more.

[basketballwacko2]

Value and the trade patner's perspective aside, I think the Pacers are more than the sum of their parts and you blow up teams like that your peril. It's rare.

Looking at it from a business perspective, the Pacers can't go into the tax for a team that might finish 8th and lose in the first round. If they bring back Turner they'll be in the tax and no replacement for Haliburton. The Pacers will have a DPE if they want to use it, but that would only put them deeper in the tax if they're resigning Turner.

Hard choices will have to be made. I would not do a total tear down, but I might trade Siakam depending on what I could get.

[basketballwacko2]

Man this injury sucks. Pacers should be champs right now, and instead their fans are talking about a tear down.

I think we would have had a shot at winning it but I refuse to say if not for this then we win. Indiana should have won game 4 but ran out of gas at the end. Which is weird because they had been running everyone else out of gas.

[basketballwacko2]

is that Grant or Mark Williams?

I don't think I want to trade Mark for any realistic price, just let him either prove he can stay healthy or not, and let that determine whether he's a long-term starter or if we need to look for a new starter and have him be the league's best backup C

GRANT

then yes you have a deal

I'll counter Siakam for #4 Bridges, and Nurkic.

[basketballwacko2]

Let me get in on this how about Siakam to the Nets for Cam Johnson #8 and #19 and 2 other picks.

[HornetJail]

GRANT

then yes you have a deal

I'll counter Siakam for #4 Bridges, and Nurkic.

make it #4, Bridges, Green, and you got it. i really just want Green outta here

[basketballwacko2]

then yes you have a deal

I'll counter Siakam for #4 Bridges, and Nurkic.

make it #4, Bridges, Green, and you got it. i really just want Green outta here

I would not want Green already got 4 guys at his size. Plus he's hurt just had surgery on his shoulder.

[HornetJail]

I'll counter Siakam for #4 Bridges, and Nurkic.

make it #4, Bridges, Green, and you got it. i really just want Green outta here

I would not want Green already got 4 guys at his size. Plus he's hurt just had surgery on his shoulder.

if it makes you feel any better, you're better off with him not playing than playing. he's purely salary filler