Shams: Boston Trades Jrue to Portland for Simons, 2nd Rd Picks

[Shakril]

RJ for Porzingis next.

Why do you want to trade for a player that makes us worse?

You mean health wise right?

Porzingis is a significantly better basketball player.

Yes and no. His injuries have ruined his career to a point, that even when he plays he isnt as good anymore as he once was.

[StopitLeo]

Why do you want to trade for a player that makes us worse?

You mean health wise right?

Porzingis is a significantly better basketball player.

Yes and no. His injuries have ruined his career to a point, that even when he plays he isnt as good anymore as he once was.

In what areas has he specifically declined? In Boston he's essentially been as good or better (TS% over .600) compared to earlier in his career, with the exception of defensive rebounds.

[navyblue]

It's amazing how saving 4 mil in salary saves 41 mil tax

The new cba reduced tax rates for the first 10 mil but jacked it up if you go higher

Goes from 1x for first 5 mil, 1.5x for next 5ish mil

Then jumps to 3.5x, 4.75x ++ for tiers higher

[LoveMyRaps]

Seeing folks refer to Simons as a “young player”, “young stud”, etc. is hilarious.

Must mean RJ is a phenom or some sort of prodigy.

[navyblue]

Seeing folks refer to Simons as a “young player”, “young stud”, etc. is hilarious.

Must mean RJ is a phenom or some sort of prodigy.

its always greener on the other side for this board

[OakleyDokely]

Seeing folks refer to Simons as a “young player”, “young stud”, etc. is hilarious.

Must mean RJ is a phenom or some sort of prodigy.

Simons has been in the league for 7 years and he's basically the same player he was during his rookie contract.

He's fine as a volume scorer with average to below average efficiency who doesn't give you much else, but these type of guys don't get much burn on teams trying to win playoff games.

[Troubadour]

That's now Giannis, KD, Sabonis, Monk, and Holiday that the Raptors have tried or are trying to trade for this off-season.

[Tor_Raps]

Can JRoy finally stop commenting on the trade proposals now. His dumbass team is paying 100M to guys who have 0 chance to make an allstar team in a 35 year old Jrue, Ayton and Grant lol.

How you are the team to give up picks when the whole league knows Boston is desperate to get off Jrue's salary is hilarious...

[YogurtProducer]

I think Brown is definitely available. The two untouchables for Boston should be JT and White

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy, on the wrong end of 30.

[Godaddycurse]

I think Brown is definitely available. The two untouchables for Boston should be JT and White

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy.

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

[ciueli]

Seeing folks refer to Simons as a “young player”, “young stud”, etc. is hilarious.

Must mean RJ is a phenom or some sort of prodigy.

Our front office literally referred to Ingram as "young" and he's entering his year 28 season. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

This is how I see age brackets in the NBA:

Young: 18 to 24

Middle Aged: 25 to 30

Old: 31 to 37

Ancient: 38+

All you have to do is sort the table of players by age and it immediately becomes apparent how few players there are in the NBA over 32 playing real minutes on an NBA team. Here's a complete list of players over 32 who played at least 1000 minutes last season:

40 LeBron James
39 Chris Paul
38 Al Horford
37 Mike Conley
36 Brook Lopez
36 Kevin Durant
36 Steph Curry
36 Russell Westbrook
36 Nicolas Batum
35 James Harden
35 DeMar DeRozan
35 Jimmy Butler
34 Nikola Vucevic
34 Damian Lillard
34 Draymond Green
34 Klay Thompson
34 Jrue Holiday
34 Paul George
34 Mason Plumlee
34 Seth Curry
33 CJ McCollum
33 Kawhi Leonard

22 names is a short list. Very few players have productive careers after 32 and most of the ones that do are former stars who are still good players but have lost a bit of a step or are frequently missing games due to injuries. NBA basketball is a young man's game.

[Los_29]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

[OakleyDokely]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

The new CBA is rough on top heavy rosters. It's going to be very hard to keep together a bunch of highly paid guys unless you're willing to pay a huge tax bill.

Most teams can probably have couple big money guys and then you're going to have cycle through role players put around them.

[causal_fan]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

The new CBA is rough on top heavy rosters. It's going to be very hard to keep together a bunch of highly paid guys unless you're willing to pay a huge tax bill.

Most teams can probably have couple big money guys and then you're going to have cycle through role players put around them.

That's why I think OKC is set up for a longer window of contention with a boatload of FRP - they can move most guys getting expensive and replace with quality rookie contracts - They should keep trading some of the near term FRP for picks in the future and keep cycling through - only SGA should get the super max.

[OakleyDokely]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

The new CBA is rough on top heavy rosters. It's going to be very hard to keep together a bunch of highly paid guys unless you're willing to pay a huge tax bill.

Most teams can probably have couple big money guys and then you're going to have cycle through role players put around them.

That's why I think OKC is set up for a longer window of contention with a boatload of FRP - they can move most guys getting expensive and replace with quality rookie contracts - They should keep trading some of the near term FRP for picks in the future and keep cycling through - only SGA should get the super max.

They will likely have to decide between Jwill / Chet at some point, but ya, they are set up well to cycle role players around Shai and Jwill / Chet for the next half decade. Unless something major happens to SGA, winning at least one more title is pretty likely for them.

[ConSarnit]

I think Brown is definitely available. The two untouchables for Boston should be JT and White

White is not nearly good enough to be untouchable.

In fact - without a superteam around him White at $30m/year is possibly gonna be looked at negatively by other FOs soon. LOT of money for a 16/4/5 guy.

that 16/4/5 is an all nba defender and shoots 61% TS. He is a big bargain

White would be in high demand if available. The guy took 9 3pa and hit them at 38%. He’s made the all-defense team 2 of the 3 past seasons.

If White is a possibly negative contract we are screwed if we ever want to move RJ or IQ.

[Tha Cynic]

One more note on Jrue Holiday is that he was thinking about retiring before he joined Boston. There’s no way he stays with Portland unless something changed with his mindset. I’m curious to see how this plays out - does he agree to go to Portland or does he get moved to a legit contender.

[ciueli]

One more note on Jrue Holiday is that he was thinking about retiring before he joined Boston. There’s no way he stays with Portland unless something changed with his mindset. I’m curious to see how this plays out - does he agree to go to Portland or does he get moved to a legit contender.

I don't see him giving up over $100M the next three seasons just so he can retire. If he really was interested in retiring before he wouldn't have signed a long term contract, with the tax issues Boston is in he had to see this coming when he signed.

[Pointgod]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

Boston is still a powerhouse if Tatum didn’t blow his Achilles. Literally the only thing that changed for them was Tatum’s injury. If Tatum was healthy and they still made this trade they’re still a top 2 team in the East.

[Duffman100]

Just shows you how quickly things can change. Two years ago Boston looked like a powerhouse. And they looked the part on their way to a championship.

Now key pieces are being traded and replaced with guys like Simons.

Boston is still a powerhouse if Tatum didn’t blow his Achilles. Literally the only thing that changed for them was Tatum’s injury. If Tatum was healthy and they still made this trade they’re still a top 2 team in the East.

But that's the point, he did tear his achilles. Still means things change ridiculously quickly in the NBA.