2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[M2J]

Reed Sheppard had the most insane shoot year I've seen in a while.

I still think he’s Nash.

I'm curious what they do with VanVleet this summer. If they feel good about Reed, then he needs to hit the road.

Gotta keep him unless they can geta trade that is both beneficial for the future and now...

You get Durant to win a championship in the next 2 years.

They can let Fred walk after this year

[the_process]

Reed Sheppard had the most insane shoot year I've seen in a while.

I still think he’s Nash.

I'm curious what they do with VanVleet this summer. If they feel good about Reed, then he needs to hit the road.

Well, they just got Durant and clearly think they can win. FVV helps more with that and he's an expiring anyway. Sheppard will get more minutes now with Jalen Green gone.

[Iverson Armband]

I still think he’s Nash.

I'm curious what they do with VanVleet this summer. If they feel good about Reed, then he needs to hit the road.

Well, they just got Durant and clearly think they can win. FVV helps more with that and he's an expiring anyway. Sheppard will get more minutes now with Jalen Green gone.

The problem is reports are they are declining their team option on him in hopes for a long term deal. Dumb move.

[Negrodamus]

I still think he’s Nash.

I'm curious what they do with VanVleet this summer. If they feel good about Reed, then he needs to hit the road.

Gotta keep him unless they can geta trade that is both beneficial for the future and now...

You get Durant to win a championship in the next 2 years.

They can let Fred walk after this year

If Reed's upside is legit, then Fred is just a guy in the way. Reed is larger and had an enormous superstar 2-way profile going into the draft. Gotta play him and let him work through his mistakes.

[Mik317]

Some burning hot takes on the eve of the draft (also waiting for my work day to end after hauling equipment around in this godforsaken heat)

VJ is a perfect case of overanalyzing on my part lol. Him being the common predicted guy at 3 has me zeroed in on all of his flaws and while I should be smart enough to ignore it....sadly I am a dumb man sooooo. I love the burst...but thats kinda all he has going for him if I stop to really think about it. Been getting on others for being more projection than reality but that also applies to VJ ( and to be fair everyone is that at the end of the day). I am always team BPA and never draft for fit but at a certain point overlap is overlap no? VJ's best outcome is a bigger, more athletic Maxey in a sense (gameplan wise in terms of best role) which is still great imo because the size is still Maxey's biggest hurdle but doubling up on that even if it ends up trading Maxey down the line feels like a waste...which is yeah.

Ace on the other hand remains pretty much the same for me. I am scared that if we take him, he ends up as the my pre-draft eval of Tatum...mid at best. But I am also scared that if we pass on him, well Tatum happens again. Unlike Tatum, he doesn't have the nerd vorpo slorpos to back him up but still throwing all logic and eye test out...a 6'8 scorer is still very valuable. The team around him will probably make it easier to pass on him from a cope standpoint but still..it would be our luck to be the team to take him and his team calls our bluff and we are sitting there with our dicks in our hand looking dumb.

Kon as stated earlier checks all of the boxes from the tape and stats standpoint. But I just need to see it against NBA athletes man. I won't be as crushed if we pass on him and he turns out good tho somehow.

Queen is intriguing only because Negrodamus loves him so lol. I have lowkey disagreed w/ him on prospects a ton in the past and each time have had egg on my face lol. But for Queen's sake he probably is best elsewhere as our crack staff will probably allow him to balloon up to 350 or some ****.

It all comes down to one guy for me at this moment.....

that's right.

Nique Clifford baybeeeee

ok no really it's Tre. Yeah he plays no defense and will probably only ever be meh on that end but at the end of the day.....he has an elite skill. Good size and functional athleticism. Feels like of the realistic prospects he comes with the clearest path to being good. VJ still feels smaller than listed and has too many outcomes where he is just a good starter. Ace has alot of Tobias outcomes IMO. Kon again may just not be athletic enough to hang on either end of the floor. Its not likely but there is a world in which Tre is SGA from 3 instead of the mid range with less grifting...but even then he said he'd work on that and he would have a griftlord to learn from (maybe two if we bring Lowry back for some stupid reason). IDK he just checks enough boxes and I can trick myself into believing he is a star...and plus after decades of having guy who were either scared to shoot, couldn't shoot, or could only shoot tough shots...having a dude with upside who will chuck from deep would be a nice change of pace no?

I still desperately want the Spurs to stop being losers and let us have Harper...they don't need another guard man...I mean neither do we but...**** em.

[zaz102]

I'm curious what they do with VanVleet this summer. If they feel good about Reed, then he needs to hit the road.

Gotta keep him unless they can geta trade that is both beneficial for the future and now...

You get Durant to win a championship in the next 2 years.

They can let Fred walk after this year

If Reed's upside is legit, then Fred is just a guy in the way. Reed is larger and had an enormous superstar 2-way profile going into the draft. Gotta play him and let him work through his mistakes.

The Warriors Podcaster that was on the last RtRS episode made some good points about this. This sounds good in theory, but tougher in practice.

Warriors tried to develop their young guys (Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody) a few years ago while have a contending roster. They lost a bunch of games and Kerr reversed course and started playing the better performing vets. They got back to winning and eventually won the title.

I think it makes sense to develop Sheppard and see if he can take over, but it would be irresponsible to not have a backup plan considering they just traded for Durant and their biggest need would be another guard any way.

[Negrodamus]

Some burning hot takes on the eve of the draft (also waiting for my work day to end after hauling equipment around in this godforsaken heat)

VJ is a perfect case of overanalyzing on my part lol. Him being the common predicted guy at 3 has me zeroed in on all of his flaws and while I should be smart enough to ignore it....sadly I am a dumb man sooooo. I love the burst...but thats kinda all he has going for him if I stop to really think about it. Been getting on others for being more projection than reality but that also applies to VJ ( and to be fair everyone is that at the end of the day). I am always team BPA and never draft for fit but at a certain point overlap is overlap no? VJ's best outcome is a bigger, more athletic Maxey in a sense (gameplan wise in terms of best role) which is still great imo because the size is still Maxey's biggest hurdle but doubling up on that even if it ends up trading Maxey down the line feels like a waste...which is yeah.

Ace on the other hand remains pretty much the same for me. I am scared that if we take him, he ends up as the my pre-draft eval of Tatum...mid at best. But I am also scared that if we pass on him, well Tatum happens again. Unlike Tatum, he doesn't have the nerd vorpo slorpos to back him up but still throwing all logic and eye test out...a 6'8 scorer is still very valuable. The team around him will probably make it easier to pass on him from a cope standpoint but still..it would be our luck to be the team to take him and his team calls our bluff and we are sitting there with our dicks in our hand looking dumb.

Kon as stated earlier checks all of the boxes from the tape and stats standpoint. But I just need to see it against NBA athletes man. I won't be as crushed if we pass on him and he turns out good tho somehow.

Queen is intriguing only because Negrodamus loves him so lol. I have lowkey disagreed w/ him on prospects a ton in the past and each time have had egg on my face lol. But for Queen's sake he probably is best elsewhere as our crack staff will probably allow him to balloon up to 350 or some ****.

It all comes down to one guy for me at this moment.....

that's right.

Nique Clifford baybeeeee

ok no really it's Tre. Yeah he plays no defense and will probably only ever be meh on that end but at the end of the day.....he has an elite skill. Good size and functional athleticism. Feels like of the realistic prospects he comes with the clearest path to being good. VJ still feels smaller than listed and has too many outcomes where he is just a good starter. Ace has alot of Tobias outcomes IMO. Kon again may just not be athletic enough to hang on either end of the floor. Its not likely but there is a world in which Tre is SGA from 3 instead of the mid range with less grifting...but even then he said he'd work on that and he would have a griftlord to learn from (maybe two if we bring Lowry back for some stupid reason). IDK he just checks enough boxes and I can trick myself into believing he is a star...and plus after decades of having guy who were either scared to shoot, couldn't shoot, or could only shoot tough shots...having a dude with upside who will chuck from deep would be a nice change of pace no?

I still desperately want the Spurs to stop being losers and let us have Harper...they don't need another guard man...I mean neither do we but...**** em.

I think I'm with you here. I'm going to make a final big board probably tomorrow, but Tre has jumped VJ and I'm kinda on board with going with him if we're picking at 3. I very much don't love the pick, but I've rationalized it enough in my head for it to make sense.

[Redemption76]

The problem with those younger players was not their youth but more that they were terrible draft picks.

As recent history has demonstrated.

[sodmoraes]

Morey is a smart guy, he did a MBA at MIT Sloan, so that´s why i dont think it will be VJ, since everyone is thinking we will draft him, and he was the only one who had a training session with us, dont think Morey would be that transparent. So i think it will be Bailey or Tre. Probably Tre, since there´s a lot of negativity towards Ace, and i think Tre fits more the type of player Morey would draft.

[Negrodamus]

Gotta keep him unless they can geta trade that is both beneficial for the future and now...

You get Durant to win a championship in the next 2 years.

They can let Fred walk after this year

If Reed's upside is legit, then Fred is just a guy in the way. Reed is larger and had an enormous superstar 2-way profile going into the draft. Gotta play him and let him work through his mistakes.

The Warriors Podcaster that was on the last RtRS episode made some good points about this. This sounds good in theory, but tougher in practice.

Warriors tried to develop their young guys (Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody) a few years ago while have a contending roster. They lost a bunch of games and Kerr reversed course and started playing the better performing vets. They got back to winning and eventually won the title.

I think it makes sense to develop Sheppard and see if he can take over, but it would be irresponsible to not have a backup plan considering they just traded for Durant and their biggest need would be another guard any way.

True, I also think they wasted an entire year with the 3rd pick. He only played over 20 minutes in a game 5 times this year. Just ridiculous. There's not even a large enough sample size to gauge if he's ready for legitimate playing time. I loved that they moved him to the G League and he hung almost 50pts in his first game. Rockets are just a weird team that I just don't get.

[Negrodamus]

Morey is a smart guy, he did a MBA at MIT Sloan, so that´s why i dont think it will be VJ, since everyone is thinking we will draft him, and he was the only one who had a training session with us, dont think Morey would be that transparent. So i think it will be Bailey or Tre. Probably Tre, since there´s a lot of negativity towards Ace, and i think Tre fits more the type of player Morey would draft.

What is the connection with doing his MBA at MIT Sloan and drafting Ace but not VJ? All the analytics suggest Ace is bad pick.

[eyeatoma]

Yeah I don't get that one, if you're going analytics likely Ace. But I agree with Mik, and this was my rationale all along. A hyper atheltic slightly taller version of Maxey with less shooting, is too much of the same thing. I'd prefer Tre, and at this piont really don't want Ace, because of all the bad vibes coming from him. If it's VJ, trade down I don't know. Would be really upsetting if we go for the guy who really needs to learn how to be an offensive star, while the other is about 60-70% there already.

[Jailblazers7]

I also have an MBA from an elite university and I’d take VJ so it appears we’re at an impasse.

[sodmoraes]

My take on Morey dont drafting VJ is not about that he doesnt pass the eye test on the analytics, it´s more that it would be kinda dumb to show your poker hand like that, but i´m just doing hot takes. It may be that he´s trying to force the hornets to trade with us to get VJ too, who knows.

[Eyeamok]

It's going to be the more boring pick / night (we stay at 3 and draft VJ) and y'all are going to lose your minds.

I think with all the back and forth that has gone on since we lost our pick to OKC in the lottery....wait no it was an error the 76ers are in the top 3...our pick has been saved. Well it's Ace...no it VJ...no we are trading up for Harper....no Tre is the answer...no the numbers say Kron.

I don't think there are any collective minds left to lose. That big gasp you hear once the pick has been made will the a gasp of pressure being released by all 76ers fans..

[Mik317]

i mean there is a chance that morey is just washed and lost his fastball no? Got bodied for tampering. Elton is also the king of promises. This FO is often a leaky ship it feels.

[Jailblazers7]

Every move we’ve made since Morey arrived has been publicly predicted. Even McCain was mocked to us in multiple places last year, frustrating Morey because his plans were predicted. That’s the problem when you’re such a famous & well-studied GM - his formula & decision-making criteria is essentially public knowledge at this point.

[Stanford]

I also have an MBA from an elite university and I’d take VJ so it appears we’re at an impasse.

Well I have an MBA from a university none of you have ever heard of and I don't know anything about any of these players.

[Iverson Armband]

I also have an MBA from an elite university and I’d take VJ so it appears we’re at an impasse.

Well I have an MBA from a university none of you have ever heard of and I don't know anything about any of these players.

I barely have a GED and even I know Ace sucks

[Covi_Marsh]

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