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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#61 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:39 pm

boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past


Well, I'm glad they've seen the light, but they certainly picked a difficult time to try to pull this off.
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Post#62 » by boundbymusic » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:47 pm

Is there a path to a 3 team trade with the 2 teams the Bulls are most recently rumored to be talking to?

Framework of
Beal & Kuminga to CHI
Pwill & ? to PHO
Vuc & ? to GS
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Post#63 » by MrSparkle » Tue Jun 24, 2025 8:56 pm

boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past


Man, good luck with that Williams trade. What a drag that they gave him 5Y guarantee above market-value after a career-low year. I keep hearing that "AK learned from the deal."

What? You just waste over 10% of your cap on a guy who was a certified bust, outplayed by vet. min. pickups for 3Y in a row (Javonte, P-Bev, Craig, and even a post-knee-surgery/journey-man Javonte). Was he drunk when he offered that deal?

It will be tremendously annoying if Bulls trade down/out of 12 (or the Portland pick) just to dump his money. I can think of a few garbage trades, none that I want to post. :lol:
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Post#64 » by kodo » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:08 pm

Selling players at their lowest value point is the AK special. But I'll be happy to not have to watch the laziest NBA player I've ever seen. Even Sweetney at least moved as fast as he could.
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Post#65 » by Red8911 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:16 pm

boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past

Great news but easier said than done at this point. Would any team actually want to trade for PWill and his undeserving contract ?
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Post#66 » by boundbymusic » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:20 pm

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boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past

Great news but easier said than done at this point. Would any team actually want to trade for PWill and his undeserving contract ?


You're taking another crap contract. Would PHO trade Beal and the 10 they just got from HOU to get out from Beal?
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Post#67 » by Ballerkingn23 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:25 pm

boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past




:noway: Nobody taking Pat his value is in the toilet, so gl with that.


Side note the irony: Every trade the Bulls have made imo they've got hosed overall, yet the deals they didn't make, they were trying to hose another team. And yet the other team GM was smart enough to walk away... Boy you can't make this stuff up if that is true. :noway: :lol:
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Post#68 » by jnrjr79 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:36 pm

boundbymusic wrote:Is there a path to a 3 team trade with the 2 teams the Bulls are most recently rumored to be talking to?

Framework of
Beal & Kuminga to CHI
Pwill & ? to PHO
Vuc & ? to GS


AK, is that you?

Just for funsies...

Phoenix is in the 2nd apron, so they can't aggregate outbound salary in any trade and they can also not take back even one dollar more of salary than they trade out. Beal's number, according to Fanspo, is $53.6M. Williams + Huerter + Collins gets you to $54M, so you're over by $400K. Collins (or Huerter) + Williams + Ball + Terry works, though (and saves the Suns a couple million bucks).

Separately, you would do Vooch for Kuminga. GS could throw in a small salary if you have to juice Kuminga's salary a bit higher in a S&T.

Beal would have to waive his NTC.

Then the teams would have to exchange draft capital in a way it makes sense for them to want to do this stuff. I'm not that keen on Kuminga, but if the Bulls are, there might not need to be any draft assets exchanged, to the extent GS is interested a year of Vooch followed by some cap flexibility. Phoenix could send Chicago some of the draft capital it got in its 1-for-3 first round pick trade made last season.

I'd have to stare at this a while to see if there's something there. The Bulls would be consigning themselves to being very mid, but they love that sort of thing, so I could see AK talking himself into it.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#69 » by Red8911 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:42 pm

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boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past

Great news but easier said than done at this point. Would any team actually want to trade for PWill and his undeserving contract ?


You're taking another crap contract. Would PHO trade Beal and the 10 they just got from HOU to get out from Beal?

There actually is a rumor on Beal going to the bulls. I doubt the suns give up the # 10 pick but I can see these 2 teams getting a deal done since they both are desperate to get rid of their players.

Didn’t Beal reject getting traded to the Bulls though this past deadline ? He still has the clause and pretty much chooses where he wants to go.

I wouldn’t mind going for Beal, yes he has a ridiculous contract but it’s only for 2 years and at least he’s still a good player. That would also mean Coby would most likely also get moved.
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Post#70 » by Michael Jackson » Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:56 pm

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The only way I consider trading for Kuminga is if it's for PW. I'd hate for the Bulls to get Kuminga and then end up with two duds (not saying PW and Kuminga will be bad, but it's a possibility).

Also, if he's so good then why does GS want to trade him?



They just seem to not like him and don't want to pay him. That means he isn't that good, but he also might not be as bad as he looks in GSW. I still see a ceiling of Jermai Grant as being optimistic. I think he can be pretty serviceable, but I smell more of a Kuzma than even a Grant.


If a franchise like GS (who have won multiple championships) don't think he's good enough to keep then why should the Bulls think he'll be better in Chicago?

I agree that he's not a bad player and do think he has upside, but I'd limit my risk by offering PW. I don't want the Bulls to get stuck with contracts that are no good and the only way out of them is to give up future assets to do so. There's a possibility of that with Kuminga and PW.



Sadly no one is taking PWill. If that is the deal OMG I think everyone would buy Patrick Flowers! If that could be made I'd throw in the portland pick.
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Post#71 » by boozapalooza » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:18 pm

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boundbymusic wrote:
Red8911 wrote:Great news but easier said than done at this point. Would any team actually want to trade for PWill and his undeserving contract ?


You're taking another crap contract. Would PHO trade Beal and the 10 they just got from HOU to get out from Beal?

There actually is a rumor on Beal going to the bulls. I doubt the suns give up the # 10 pick but I can see these 2 teams getting a deal done since they both are desperate to get rid of their players.

Didn’t Beal reject getting traded to the Bulls though this past deadline ? He still has the clause and pretty much chooses where he wants to go.

I wouldn’t mind going for Beal, yes he has a ridiculous contract but it’s only for 2 years and at least he’s still a good player. That would also mean Coby would most likely also get moved.



Beal and #10 for Vuc, PWill, Carter works in the trade machine…

2 years at 53M/year remaining for Beal…

This is a psychotic deal for both sides but what if (BIG IF) Beal rediscovers his game after leaving a toxic situation in PHX and becomes a 20-25ppg scorer again. Turns 32 this week so could have a few productive years left. Only stuck with him 2 years. Get rid of PWill. Add 2 lotto picks to this team (or package 10/12 to trade up for Ace).

Giddey/Matas/Coby/Beal/2 lottos (Maluach & KJ?). Decent bench of Lonzo, Ayo, Huerter, Collins.

I’m not saying I’d do it but I’m not immediately saying I wouldn’t
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#72 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:25 pm

boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past


Sounds like AK really wants Kuminga

Ball and Vooch likely out soon too
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Post#73 » by sco » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:31 pm

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boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past


Sounds like AK really wants Kuminga

Ball and Vooch likely out soon too

I'd be ok with that if we could resign Jones, but timing may not make that possible.
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Post#74 » by MissileMike » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:34 pm

Am I the only one who is cool with no major moves? Sign Josh, draft #12, bring back Jones if possible.
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Post#75 » by The Force. » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:35 pm

AK would definitely give up a pick to move P-Will.
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Post#76 » by Chi town » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:42 pm

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boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past


Well, I'm glad they've seen the light, but they certainly picked a difficult time to try to pull this off.


Yeah, nobody is taking that contract.

At least they know what I’ve been saying… you can’t draft a PF and keep PW. Not enough burn.
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Post#77 » by Chi town » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:46 pm

I’d take that Beal deal but I see no way PHX does it. They will just buy him out.

Hes an expiring after next season but his NTC really screws you. You are stuck with him for two seasons or you buy him out.

Remember he did play for Billy.

It’s worth it ridding yourself of PW and getting the 10th pick.
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Post#78 » by Hangtime84 » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:48 pm

boundbymusic wrote:
boozapalooza wrote:https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2025/06/24/could-bulls-have-aces-up-the-sleeve-nba-draft-approaches

Cowley says the Bulls top trade priority is PWill. They are done with him. He says if we draft a wing, our attention will be on moving him.

Also says AK has been more realistic with other GMs in trade talks than in the past


Gonna be total Bulls to trade PWill (yeay!) but in a deal for Beal (OHH NO)

Phnx trading us the number 10 with that choice?
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Post#79 » by Red Larrivee » Tue Jun 24, 2025 10:56 pm

I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this part:

The organization has reached the point where they’ve run through most of their developmental staff in attempting to pair Williams up with the right personal coach, only to see no upward movement for the soon-to-be sixth-year forward. Considering Karnisovas made a desperate attempt to motivate Williams with the security of a five-year, $90 million extension last summer, the only way he knows he can move the underachieving wing is in a package or part of a multi-team deal.


What a **** show on both sides.

I still don't have an issue with the dollar amount, because in the long run it's very close to an MLE contract. But, AK extending him with full knowledge that their developmental staff was at their limit with him is **** insane.
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Post#80 » by NecessaryEvil » Tue Jun 24, 2025 11:00 pm

MissileMike wrote:Am I the only one who is cool with no major moves? Sign Josh, draft #12, bring back Jones if possible.


Yeah, probably

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