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waffle wrote:I'm kind of thinking Sorber might be the pick....
DuckIII wrote:Dresden wrote:FWIW, Yahoo has us taking Queen, with Newell going 9, Bryant 10, and CMB 11.
I hope they take a big- we badly need one and there are 3-4 to pick from. I really do like Newell, and Sorber also seems like a plus defender with some offensive upside. I don't know much about Beringer. Queen reminds me too much of Eddy Curry.
If we use our precious lottery pick on another slow, half court center who can't defend, after years of Vuc, I might have to say something unkind about AK.
The thing with incompetent GMs is there's always a limit in your mind as to how bad they can actually be, right? Like you can imagine something being so obviously stupid that even a GM you don't like wouldn't do it. You trust that even though he sucks, he can't possibly such THAT bad. That is Queen for me. I don't really worry about us drafting Queen because its completely unthinkable that AK, boob that he is, doesn't realize that you can't build a playing style around Giddey with a 5 like Queen. In order to run we have to be able to defend. In order to run we have to be able to have guys who can consistently run without getting gassed. Queen is a tantalizing talent and I think he's going to do some good things, but he's just such an awful fit for us its hard to imagine AK not seeing that.
DuckIII wrote:League Circles wrote:Could we get a 2nd first rounder with Ayo?
I don't know how the CBA works with picks for players anymore, so I'm not sure how possible it is. But if we go guard/wing at 12, I'd be willing to trade Ayo for a second first rounder to get a big. And I'm a big fan and believer of Ayo, and think when he returns from injury (if not traded) he's going to fit perfectly with our new style.
League Circles wrote:DuckIII wrote:Dresden wrote:FWIW, Yahoo has us taking Queen, with Newell going 9, Bryant 10, and CMB 11.
I hope they take a big- we badly need one and there are 3-4 to pick from. I really do like Newell, and Sorber also seems like a plus defender with some offensive upside. I don't know much about Beringer. Queen reminds me too much of Eddy Curry.
If we use our precious lottery pick on another slow, half court center who can't defend, after years of Vuc, I might have to say something unkind about AK.
The thing with incompetent GMs is there's always a limit in your mind as to how bad they can actually be, right? Like you can imagine something being so obviously stupid that even a GM you don't like wouldn't do it. You trust that even though he sucks, he can't possibly such THAT bad. That is Queen for me. I don't really worry about us drafting Queen because its completely unthinkable that AK, boob that he is, doesn't realize that you can't build a playing style around Giddey with a 5 like Queen. In order to run we have to be able to defend. In order to run we have to be able to have guys who can consistently run without getting gassed. Queen is a tantalizing talent and I think he's going to do some good things, but he's just such an awful fit for us its hard to imagine AK not seeing that.
Yeah is it fair to see a little bit of Drummond in Queen? He played so well for us but when I saw the style shift with Giddey at the helm, Smith getting paid more than keeping Drummond would have cost made a ton of sense. I'm comparing all these bigs to Smith primarily and judging them on how likely I think they are to help us more than him long term. Queen is probably not in my 6 desired C prospects for the Bulls.
DuckIII wrote:waffle wrote:I'm kind of thinking Sorber might be the pick....
To me Sorber is the CMB of bigs. I don't mean as players, I mean as how I feel about drafting them. Really like them both and if picked at 12 will be pleased. But there is another guy at each of their positions that would downright excite me. So while I'd be down with it, there'd be a hint of disappointment.
League Circles wrote:DuckIII wrote:waffle wrote:I'm kind of thinking Sorber might be the pick....
To me Sorber is the CMB of bigs. I don't mean as players, I mean as how I feel about drafting them. Really like them both and if picked at 12 will be pleased. But there is another guy at each of their positions that would downright excite me. So while I'd be down with it, there'd be a hint of disappointment.
Who's the 5 you love over Sorber? Maluach? I have them mostly as a wash with Sorber the higher floor and Maluach the higher ceiling. But I'd genuinely take Zikarsky over both of them.
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:League Circles wrote:DuckIII wrote:
If we use our precious lottery pick on another slow, half court center who can't defend, after years of Vuc, I might have to say something unkind about AK.
The thing with incompetent GMs is there's always a limit in your mind as to how bad they can actually be, right? Like you can imagine something being so obviously stupid that even a GM you don't like wouldn't do it. You trust that even though he sucks, he can't possibly such THAT bad. That is Queen for me. I don't really worry about us drafting Queen because its completely unthinkable that AK, boob that he is, doesn't realize that you can't build a playing style around Giddey with a 5 like Queen. In order to run we have to be able to defend. In order to run we have to be able to have guys who can consistently run without getting gassed. Queen is a tantalizing talent and I think he's going to do some good things, but he's just such an awful fit for us its hard to imagine AK not seeing that.
Yeah is it fair to see a little bit of Drummond in Queen? He played so well for us but when I saw the style shift with Giddey at the helm, Smith getting paid more than keeping Drummond would have cost made a ton of sense. I'm comparing all these bigs to Smith primarily and judging them on how likely I think they are to help us more than him long term. Queen is probably not in my 6 desired C prospects for the Bulls.
Queen is light-years ahead of Drummond on offense. Drummond could barely catch a pass and half of his rebounds came on his own misses. Drummond was a much better defender though. I don't see the comparison.
League Circles wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:League Circles wrote:
Yeah is it fair to see a little bit of Drummond in Queen? He played so well for us but when I saw the style shift with Giddey at the helm, Smith getting paid more than keeping Drummond would have cost made a ton of sense. I'm comparing all these bigs to Smith primarily and judging them on how likely I think they are to help us more than him long term. Queen is probably not in my 6 desired C prospects for the Bulls.
Queen is light-years ahead of Drummond on offense. Drummond could barely catch a pass and half of his rebounds came on his own misses. Drummond was a much better defender though. I don't see the comparison.
I haven't watched much of Queen but I meant in the body-ball, take up interior space and do a bit of bulldoze driving. I know Drummond lost control a lot but Queen struck me as a smaller, tamer version with more refinement.
ThisGuyFawkes wrote:DuckIII wrote:League Circles wrote:Could we get a 2nd first rounder with Ayo?
I don't know how the CBA works with picks for players anymore, so I'm not sure how possible it is. But if we go guard/wing at 12, I'd be willing to trade Ayo for a second first rounder to get a big. And I'm a big fan and believer of Ayo, and think when he returns from injury (if not traded) he's going to fit perfectly with our new style.
I don't think there will be a 2nd first rounder who is better than Ayo. At least not for us.
DuckIII wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:DuckIII wrote:
I don't know how the CBA works with picks for players anymore, so I'm not sure how possible it is. But if we go guard/wing at 12, I'd be willing to trade Ayo for a second first rounder to get a big. And I'm a big fan and believer of Ayo, and think when he returns from injury (if not traded) he's going to fit perfectly with our new style.
I don't think there will be a 2nd first rounder who is better than Ayo. At least not for us.
It’s a balance issue. Ayo, much as I love him, is a role player. And a guard. My hypothetical is only triggered if we draft another perimeter player at 12. With all the interesting bigs in this first round it’s a good opportunity to balance the roster while taking another swing. Gotta give to get.
Muzbar wrote:Jcool0 wrote:Muzbar wrote:I think I need to try and start accepting the fact that CMB will be the pick, so I'm not REALLY disappointed tomorrow.
This is going to suck (for me).
You can be nervous because of his height and not a good 3PT shooter. But everything else is elite and he usually provides a big positive impact on the game. Bulls could do worse then getting a + player at 12.
So he's an elite ball handler & passer? I get he's allegedly the best defensive prospect in the draft, but I'm not seeing the offensive upside.
I'm going to have to watch some more of him because I've had him firmly on my 'do not draft' list for a while and no matter how much I watch I can't seem to get behind him.
Dan Z wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:
Noa would definitely be a Raptor type of pick. I'd be surprised of Trey fell to 8.
I'm also surprised that Carter Bryant is likely to get picked as high as it looks like he will. Not to say I don't see the talent there, but I think he is going to be one of those wild swing players, that drops a better player later in the draft, and he just ends up being a defensive specialist type of player. It happens every year, teams take a swing on the physical attributes more so than skill, and just become enamored by their potential and many times it doesn't work out, but when it does, obviously it's a huge win.
If we can draft CMB, and then draft another wing later in the draft like Powell, I'd be very happy. I'd definitely be calling the Nets to see what it would take to get one of their many picks. I'd even trade our number 12, if we could get the Nets 19 and 26 - I think this draft is that deep. In that scenario, nab Sorber and Powell and call it a day by adding a young centre, and a versatile athletic wing, who could grow into a 3D player.
Noa does seem like a Raptors pick, but isn't he just adding more of the same to the team (so to speak)? Barnes, Boucher, Ingram and Barrett...I guess if they think he's the BPA then they should just take him and figure it out later.
I'm also not saying he's exactly like those players, but most of them have similar physiques.
DuckIII wrote:ThisGuyFawkes wrote:DuckIII wrote:
I don't know how the CBA works with picks for players anymore, so I'm not sure how possible it is. But if we go guard/wing at 12, I'd be willing to trade Ayo for a second first rounder to get a big. And I'm a big fan and believer of Ayo, and think when he returns from injury (if not traded) he's going to fit perfectly with our new style.
I don't think there will be a 2nd first rounder who is better than Ayo. At least not for us.
It’s a balance issue. Ayo, much as I love him, is a role player. And a guard. My hypothetical is only triggered if we draft another perimeter player at 12. With all the interesting bigs in this first round it’s a good opportunity to balance the roster while taking another swing. Gotta give to get.
Chi town wrote:Dan Z wrote:kulaz3000 wrote:
Noa would definitely be a Raptor type of pick. I'd be surprised of Trey fell to 8.
I'm also surprised that Carter Bryant is likely to get picked as high as it looks like he will. Not to say I don't see the talent there, but I think he is going to be one of those wild swing players, that drops a better player later in the draft, and he just ends up being a defensive specialist type of player. It happens every year, teams take a swing on the physical attributes more so than skill, and just become enamored by their potential and many times it doesn't work out, but when it does, obviously it's a huge win.
If we can draft CMB, and then draft another wing later in the draft like Powell, I'd be very happy. I'd definitely be calling the Nets to see what it would take to get one of their many picks. I'd even trade our number 12, if we could get the Nets 19 and 26 - I think this draft is that deep. In that scenario, nab Sorber and Powell and call it a day by adding a young centre, and a versatile athletic wing, who could grow into a 3D player.
Noa does seem like a Raptors pick, but isn't he just adding more of the same to the team (so to speak)? Barnes, Boucher, Ingram and Barrett...I guess if they think he's the BPA then they should just take him and figure it out later.
I'm also not saying he's exactly like those players, but most of them have similar physiques.
Noa would be such a bad fit for the Raps. They have no PG to run and get him in the open court.
Noa with Giddey and Buz would be an easy watch.
WesPeace wrote:Yeah,Sorber, Beringer, Kalkbrenner should be bigs that Bulls have interest, others nope.. we need defense first
Dan Z wrote:Chi town wrote:Dan Z wrote:
Noa does seem like a Raptors pick, but isn't he just adding more of the same to the team (so to speak)? Barnes, Boucher, Ingram and Barrett...I guess if they think he's the BPA then they should just take him and figure it out later.
I'm also not saying he's exactly like those players, but most of them have similar physiques.
Noa would be such a bad fit for the Raps. They have no PG to run and get him in the open court.
Noa with Giddey and Buz would be an easy watch.
What about Immanuel Quickley?