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2025 Draft prospects - thread 3

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Re: 2025 Draft prospects - thread 3 

Post#901 » by NecessaryEvil » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:34 am

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You can be nervous because of his height and not a good 3PT shooter. But everything else is elite and he usually provides a big positive impact on the game. Bulls could do worse then getting a + player at 12.

So he's an elite ball handler & passer? I get he's allegedly the best defensive prospect in the draft, but I'm not seeing the offensive upside.

I'm going to have to watch some more of him because I've had him firmly on my 'do not draft' list for a while and no matter how much I watch I can't seem to get behind him.




Ok I’m sold on this guy
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Post#902 » by Dan Z » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:36 am

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Noa would be such a bad fit for the Raps. They have no PG to run and get him in the open court.

Noa with Giddey and Buz would be an easy watch.


What about Immanuel Quickley?


He’s not a PG. He’s a scorer in a small PG body. Doesn’t make anyone better.


I haven't watched him enough, but if that's true then they should try to trade for a PG (I have no suggestions off the top of my head).
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Post#903 » by Chi town » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:39 am

I’ve landed on CMB being the Caruso of bigs. His level of intensity and IQ would help the Bulls. Also think his toughness goes a long way in playing with a winning edge. Him and Giddey could be really good in the PNR.

KJ Noa are gone I think CMB will be there and will be the pick.
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Post#904 » by Chi town » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:45 am

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waffle wrote:I'm kind of thinking Sorber might be the pick....


To me Sorber is the CMB of bigs. I don't mean as players, I mean as how I feel about drafting them. Really like them both and if picked at 12 will be pleased. But there is another guy at each of their positions that would downright excite me. So while I'd be down with it, there'd be a hint of disappointment.


Noa and Maluach/Beringer?

I really want Noa. Giddey leading the break with Buz and Noa would be some beautiful basketball.
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Post#905 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:54 am

Call the Nets and trade down for two picks in the first round. I think we can get just as much of an impact player further down in the teens and 20's than we can at 12.

Obviously it depends on the players the Bulls are targeting, and they make feel it's too much of a risk to lose out on these players, however, I think the quality of players across most of the first round is rather flat, in terms of difference in quality.
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Post#906 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:03 am

I'm really not a fan of Demin, I don't think he is going to be any good. He reminds me too much of Rubio, all passing and no shooting ability, with the promise of good shooting season after season. And Rubio earlier on his career was a pretty scrappy defenders, so even without a shot he could contribute on both ends, whereas Demin is not a good defender at all.

Big guards with point guard attributes seem to be the rage these days, but I just don't see it with him. I just don't see much upside unless he vastly improves his shooting. What, you're going to play him minutes to just pass the ball until he improves his shot? Hell, even his passing instincts aren't on the level of Rubio's at the same age. He really isn't much of a ball handler, and seems to instinctively hold the ball when faced with a little ball pressure.

I could convince myself in liking most players in this draft class, but Demin and Queen are two players I just don't think I could get on board with, at least initially.
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Post#907 » by Chi town » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:09 am

No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.
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Post#908 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:19 am

Chi town wrote:No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.


I'm still not sold on Matas, and I don't think I will be until his third season. He has shown glimpses, but so had Patrick Williams when he was a rookie.

Don't get me wrong, he has all the potential in the world, but it's that season after season improvement that I need to see before I can see a future where he could be the cornerstone of our franchise.
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Post#909 » by Rose2Boozer » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:20 am

Chi town wrote:No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.


I hope he's learning more than those one or two telegraphed moves he does going to the basket.
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Post#910 » by Lexluthor » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:11 am

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Chi town wrote:No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.


I'm still not sold on Matas, and I don't think I will be until his third season. He has shown glimpses, but so had Patrick Williams when he was a rookie.

Don't get me wrong, he has all the potential in the world, but it's that season after season improvement that I need to see before I can see a future where he could be the cornerstone of our franchise.
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Post#912 » by samwana » Wed Jun 25, 2025 11:11 am

Nbadraft.net has us taking Demin at #12
That would be my absolute least favorite pick.

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Post#913 » by Chi town » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:03 pm

kulaz3000 wrote:
Chi town wrote:No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.


I'm still not sold on Matas, and I don't think I will be until his third season. He has shown glimpses, but so had Patrick Williams when he was a rookie.

Don't get me wrong, he has all the potential in the world, but it's that season after season improvement that I need to see before I can see a future where he could be the cornerstone of our franchise.


Buz has shown more in his last 20 games than PW has his whole career.
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Post#914 » by DuckIII » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:10 pm

Chi town wrote:
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waffle wrote:I'm kind of thinking Sorber might be the pick....


To me Sorber is the CMB of bigs. I don't mean as players, I mean as how I feel about drafting them. Really like them both and if picked at 12 will be pleased. But there is another guy at each of their positions that would downright excite me. So while I'd be down with it, there'd be a hint of disappointment.


Noa and Maluach/Beringer?

I really want Noa. Giddey leading the break with Buz and Noa would be some beautiful basketball.


I’ve “demoted” CMB one whole spot. :D I’ve always had Essengue as my #1 big and I’ve moved Beringer to right behind him, followed by CMB and Sorber in that order.

The only guard in my top 5 is KJ. I go to more guard and wing options after those 5.
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Post#915 » by DuckIII » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:12 pm

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Post#916 » by DuckIII » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:14 pm

samwana wrote:Nbadraft.net has us taking Demin at #12
That would be my absolute least favorite pick.

I'm down for
KJ
Sorber
Newell
CMB


Maybe it’s the lack of reports on Demin the last few weeks, but it just doesn’t feel like he’s really in play to the Bulls anymore.
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Post#917 » by BullChit » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:20 pm

Happt draft day ya'll

I just watched a few scouting reports on Joan Beringer... Man talk about the anti- Vuc option on defence! Imagine our block parties with both Beringer and Buz on court together...

Also looking a CMB and I think if he gets a reduced role on an NBA team and focused on his defence and hustle he could be something special. Almost like a bigs version of Caruso.
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Post#918 » by DuckIII » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:27 pm

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Chi town wrote:No matter who we draft…

WE STILL HAVE BUZ!!!

Kid is going to be our cornerstone. Hope we get someone to go with him.


I'm still not sold on Matas, and I don't think I will be until his third season. He has shown glimpses, but so had Patrick Williams when he was a rookie.

Don't get me wrong, he has all the potential in the world, but it's that season after season improvement that I need to see before I can see a future where he could be the cornerstone of our franchise.


P-Will has broken the fan base. :D I see people disregarding talented draft prospects because they “remind them” of Pat. You are concerned about Matas because Pat once looked good and nothing came of it.

To a much lesser degree I’ve seen it a few times this draft season with WCJ/Sorber comps.

Our prior players have nothing to do with any of these guys and these guys have nothing to do with Pat or WCJ. Use Matas as an example. He’s the anti-Pat. He’s heavy on intensity and passion and more raw on skills. Pat had mentality concerns right off the bat but had skills that translated easily as a 3/D guy his rookie season.

I just don’t think it’s a good idea to ignore (I know you aren’t “ignoring” Matas) a potentially talented player or prospect because of disappointments with a whole other human being, especially when *most* everyone agrees those issues were primarily mental.
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Post#919 » by JohnnyTapwater » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:34 pm

Respectfully. I believe Pat is autistic like Tony Snell is confirmed to being. I was done with him when he showed no emotion after Giddy's game winning shot.

He's just not capable of getting it how he needs to get it.

It's awful, but yeah, if I see any shades of Pat in a prospect, I'm a hard no.
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Post#920 » by DuckIII » Wed Jun 25, 2025 12:41 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:Respectfully. I believe Pat is autistic like Tony Snell is confirmed to being. I was done with him when he showed no emotion after Giddy's game winning shot.

He's just not capable of getting it how he needs to get it.

It's awful, but yeah, if I see any shades of Pat in a prospect, I'm a hard no.


But at least you appear to be saying it about players who remind you of him mentally. That’s fair game with all prospects. I’m talking about saying things like “Pass on Carter Bryant, got burned by Pat” when Carter Bryant clearly plays with intensity and has a big personality.

I’ve even seen it said (not often) about CMB, despite CMB being the biggest dog in the draft (except for maybe Flagg). Pat is not relevant to this draft. His past should have no impact on another guy’s future and his presence on the roster should not be factored in regarding who to pick.
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