2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[KingDavid]

Andy Ellisburg appears to be sitting on an expensive wheelchair. Hope he’s alright.

Someone needs to throw him on Retatrutide.

[carnageta]

Which further proves my point that Herro isn’t as good as you all think if we keep losing games with him as a 1st option with him not even being able to produce as our top option.

Can you, Dion, hallstar, carna, bballfreak, fincane, etc tell me what Herro has done in a Heat jersey to be revered to as a god? Most of our success came absent of Tyler n

Can you tell us what has you revering Austin Reaves as a God?

Seriously, what about me saying he's a second or third option makes you think I revere him?

Oh I don’t, I think they are both pretty similar players. Good on one side of the ball, that’s about it. I don’t see much difference between the 2 and I’m not even arguing that Reaves is better or way better I’m just saying they’re close. Maybe there’s a miscommunication

Even if it is true that they are indeed 'close' - I don't understand what the point of the statement is? Reaves will be a free agent in 26' and just turned down 22.5m/ season. He's going to get paid > 30m a year - probably more money than Tyler will make in 2026-2027.

[dshearn]

Tyler Herro is not the problem.

salary, role, and expectations are always the problem....

[Rapaz]

Holy phukin mid-off y’all are having in here.

Herro
Reaves
Adebayo

Irrelevant mediocrities all of them.

Thank goodness (or Adam Silver/Nico Harrison) I have Luka.

Xoxo.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Everyone's reading experience on this board would be improved if we just didnt take the bait. Same crap over and over again

Now this is just funny, like you all are above me or something lol. I know what I’m talking about, been around the game my entire life, played at a high level, have furthered my understanding even after the playing days. I know what I’m talking about, you just don’t like my point of view on things at times and that’s alright. I get it, the aesthetics for Tyler are there and it makes you all more fond of him and feel he’s more than what he is. When that’s debunked it causes a scene

[insfo]

Heat are 1-8 in their last 9 playoff games. Nobody cares who led the team in stats those games.

As an aside, the only victory was thanks to Herro’s heroic performance on the road in Boston.

Well, if you had seen the desperate stat padding during garbage time, you won't say "no one cares".

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tyler’s playoffs career: 14-4-3 on 52TS% with 0 defense whatsoever. Was out for the 2023 finals run, was a non factor for the 2022 run, now tell me what he’s done in a Heat jersey to be revered this way amongst some in the fanbase? Is it because you all think he’s cool? It can’t be because of his production, it just can’t. It’s something deeper

Hopefully I can get this answered while we’re at it. I wasn’t going to turn it into a Bam and Herro thing but others went that way with it. Why do the same people that love Herro so much and defend him to the grave drag Bam through the mud all the time despite him doing FAR more in a Heat jersey and helping us see FAR more success as a team?

[BBallFreak]

Which further proves my point that Herro isn’t as good as you all think if we keep losing games with him as a 1st option with him not even being able to produce as our top option.

Can you, Dion, hallstar, carna, bballfreak, fincane, etc tell me what Herro has done in a Heat jersey to be revered to as a god? Most of our success came absent of Tyler n

Can you tell us what has you revering Austin Reaves as a God?

Seriously, what about me saying he's a second or third option makes you think I revere him?

Oh I don’t, I think they are both pretty similar players. Good on one side of the ball, that’s about it. I don’t see much difference between the 2 and I’m not even arguing that Reaves is better or way better I’m just saying they’re close. Maybe there’s a miscommunication

You don't even seem to know what you're arguing. And you're inconsistent.

Tyler Herro starts his career with an historic playoff run but you call him a playoff choke artist. Austin Reaves has a few games here or there when he plays without other guys and that, somehow, is proof that he could put up those numbers for a full season with only Bam Adebayo as his second option. Got news for you - proof of concept says you've got things backwards, my man.

I'm not saying Austin Reaves is a bad player but until he actually proves he can do what Herro did this past year, I stand by my statement.

Jeez, I'm actually defending Tyler Herro. WTF?!?!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can you tell us what has you revering Austin Reaves as a God?

Seriously, what about me saying he's a second or third option makes you think I revere him?

Oh I don’t, I think they are both pretty similar players. Good on one side of the ball, that’s about it. I don’t see much difference between the 2 and I’m not even arguing that Reaves is better or way better I’m just saying they’re close. Maybe there’s a miscommunication

Even if it is true that they are indeed 'close' - I don't understand what the point of the statement is? Reaves will be a free agent in 26' and just turned down 22.5m/ season. He's going to get paid > 30m a year - probably more money than Tyler will make in 2026-2027.

Honestly it all started because I was having a little fun with Vertical trying to get him going off about the organization and give some of his extreme takes he’s been giving recently

[Kobewade11]

Some relevant roster news: Casper, Davion, Scary, Dru, is too many guards. A trade is definitely afoot

[insfo]

Not sure why y'all don't realize it is never about Reaves, or Monk, or Cam Thomas or whichever guard gets brought up

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Can you tell us what has you revering Austin Reaves as a God?

Seriously, what about me saying he's a second or third option makes you think I revere him?

Oh I don’t, I think they are both pretty similar players. Good on one side of the ball, that’s about it. I don’t see much difference between the 2 and I’m not even arguing that Reaves is better or way better I’m just saying they’re close. Maybe there’s a miscommunication

You don't even seem to know what you're arguing. And you're inconsistent.

Tyler Herro starts his career with an historic playoff run but you call him a playoff choke artist. Austin Reaves has a few games here or there when he plays without other guys and that, somehow, is proof that he could put up those numbers for a full season with only Bam Adebayo as his second option. Got news for you - proof of concept says you've got things backwards, my man.

I'm not saying Austin Reaves is a bad player but until he actually proves he can do what Herro did this past year, I stand by my statement.

Jeez, I'm actually defending Tyler Herro. WTF?!?!

So are you ignoring Reaves having the same type of playoffs his first time around? And yes, Herro is a playoff choker, he has been abysmal since year 1

[BBallFreak]

Oh I don’t, I think they are both pretty similar players. Good on one side of the ball, that’s about it. I don’t see much difference between the 2 and I’m not even arguing that Reaves is better or way better I’m just saying they’re close. Maybe there’s a miscommunication

You don't even seem to know what you're arguing. And you're inconsistent.

Tyler Herro starts his career with an historic playoff run but you call him a playoff choke artist. Austin Reaves has a few games here or there when he plays without other guys and that, somehow, is proof that he could put up those numbers for a full season with only Bam Adebayo as his second option. Got news for you - proof of concept says you've got things backwards, my man.

I'm not saying Austin Reaves is a bad player but until he actually proves he can do what Herro did this past year, I stand by my statement.

Jeez, I'm actually defending Tyler Herro. WTF?!?!

So are you ignoring Reaves having the same type of playoffs his first time around? And yes, Herro is a playoff choker, he has been abysmal since year 1

Again, you don't know the argument.

It's not playoffs v playoffs. It's as a number one option for a season. I'm saying that there is more proof of concept that Tyler Herro is a strong playoff performer than there is that Austin Reaves can be the type of player Herro was this season. In other words, Herro has more strong playoff performances than Reaves has as a number one option.

Get it?

[dshearn]

Some relevant roster news: Casper, Davion, Scary, Dru, is too many guards. A trade is definitely afoot

I dont think anyone wants or expects Terry to be here next year


Kapsper a 6-5 or 6-6 205 is basically Caleb Martin size so they might even think of him as SF size'ed...

[3ammy3uck3ts]

You don't even seem to know what you're arguing. And you're inconsistent.

Tyler Herro starts his career with an historic playoff run but you call him a playoff choke artist. Austin Reaves has a few games here or there when he plays without other guys and that, somehow, is proof that he could put up those numbers for a full season with only Bam Adebayo as his second option. Got news for you - proof of concept says you've got things backwards, my man.

I'm not saying Austin Reaves is a bad player but until he actually proves he can do what Herro did this past year, I stand by my statement.

Jeez, I'm actually defending Tyler Herro. WTF?!?!

So are you ignoring Reaves having the same type of playoffs his first time around? And yes, Herro is a playoff choker, he has been abysmal since year 1

Again, you don't know the argument.

It's not playoffs v playoffs. It's as a number one option for a season. I'm saying that there is more proof of concept that Tyler Herro is a strong playoff performer than there is that Austin Reaves can be the type of player Herro was this season. In other words, Herro has more strong playoff performances than Reaves has as a number one option.

Get it?

I do get it and you’re wrong. There is not more proof.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

There isn't some huge Herro fanbase on this board, he gets crapped on regularly, people just want consistency. If you think its OK to crap on Tyler cause he'll never make it and fawn over guys like Reaves instead, then you should have no problem when others do it for guys like Julius Randle in reference to Bam. On the flipside, if you want to defend Bam's honor and be insulted when people desperately praise the Randles/Collins of the world to denigrate Bam, you ought to have the same takes for Herro vs the Reaves/Lavines. Otherwise it just looks like you're a player fan picking favorites, not a Heat fan.

I agree the jury's still out on Herro long term, nor do I disagree that the gap between Tyler and Reaves is massive, but there's definitely a gap, and if we're giving up on Tyler I'd much rather it be a pure upgrade than for a guy whose older, and whose CEILING is Tyler Herro. That's just sad.

EDIT: I'd also consider Tyler for picks/spare parts depending what direction we go in. But thinking we're going to replace him with Austin Reaves and it be an upgrade is delusional.

Also miss me with this "Herro is a playoff choker" narrative like this is ESPN or something. He was better than expected rookie season, worse in the 21-22 campaign (though I think most would agree he was a different player at that time and more of a chucker). Then he is injured for the Nuggets Finals run though he was playing well at the end of that season, then he's thrust into the #1 option on a mediocre squad the next year when Jimmy goes down, and similar circumstances this year with Jimmy traded, both times without anyone capable as a #2 (you said it yourself earlier Bam's best role on a team is 3rd option). I'm not going to sit here and champion Tyler as a guy whose proven himself, but I'm not about to completely write him off from those circumstances. Bam's last two postseasons were putrid as well, and you won't see me writing him off for that (nor will you for that matter).

[EMC5466]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

There isn't some huge Herro fanbase on this board, he gets crapped on regularly, people just want consistency. If you think its OK to crap on Tyler cause he'll never make it and fawn over guys like Reaves instead, then you should have no problem when others do it for guys like Julius Randle in reference to Bam. On the flipside, if you want to defend Bam's honor and be insulted when people desperately praise the Randles/Collins of the world to denigrate Bam, you ought to have the same takes for Herro vs the Reaves/Lavines. Otherwise it just looks like you're a player fan picking favorites, not a Heat fan.

I agree the jury's still out on Herro long term, nor do I disagree that the gap between Tyler and Reaves is massive, but there's definitely a gap, and if we're giving up on Tyler I'd much rather it be a pure upgrade than for a guy whose older, and whose CEILING is Tyler Herro. That's just sad.

EDIT: I'd also consider Tyler for picks/spare parts depending what direction we go in. But thinking we're going to replace him with Austin Reaves and it be an upgrade is delusional.

I’m not advocating Reaves to be better or that we should swap the 2, it would be a pointless move and leave us in the same spot we’re currently in

[Wiltside]

Holy phukin mid-off y’all are having in here.

Herro
Reaves
Adebayo

Irrelevant mediocrities all of them.

Thank goodness (or Adam Silver/Nico Harrison) I have Luka.

Xoxo.

Pimplinka has spoken.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Alright… but the real question is which gives you the biggest package?!