2025 Offseason Season Thread Vol. 3

[eddieheatfan]

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[greg4012]

Shams is pushing this Kuminga stuff non-stop…

I'm expecting it to happen at this point.

Same unfortunately, which someone correct me if I’m wrong but that basically ends the Luka to Miami stuff or just being players in 2026 free agency for a max guy period. Unless we sign and trade for them but then things start getting tricky

As an outright free agent signing--likely yes. Different avenue may exist as trade bait--a youth rehab project on a reasonable deal

[Beenie]

If going after Kuminga is real and if this does indicate a change in philosophy I welcome it. Basing entire offseasons on the chance that stars shake loose is bad process. This is star or nothing stuff is way past the expiration date. We currently sit at 7 guys who are 25 years of age an under. Make Kuminga the 8th. Throw in a in his prime Bam and let the youth and young vets go out there and play. Perhaps going in this direction leads to development of young players that makes them appealing assets for the ever elusive star trade.

Young players are only assets when they are not paid or when they overperform their contract.
If you sign Kuminga for 30 mil and he's an okay productive player, Heat will be stuck with that contract

This is just dumb and stupid cuz they too proud to see they need to rebuild.

Why commit more money to the Bam, Herro and a Kuminga core. The ceiling for those 3 is 1st round exits. Why would anyone want to watch for the next couple seasons.

I'd rather be awful and get high draft picks

We did the pay the role players and turn them into assets with Whiteside, JJ, Duncan, TJ, Dion and they were opposite of assets. We had to pay teams to take their contracts. Now Kuminga is younger, but same applies. Too much risk we get stuck with another unwanted contract on a mediocre team

I disagree that the team would have a first round ceiling. The current team we have now has a first round ceiling. Adding Kuminga and some other competent pieces elevates to a second round ceiling lol

That team isn’t gonna be a top 4 team and wouldn’t beat a top 4 team (presuming health)

Destined for first round exits perennially indeed

[oreon]

Kuminga at 4 years 80 which is comparable to Malik Monk, that contract is fine.

Once youre talking 100 million youre flirting with danger.. 120-130 million is absolute lunacy.

If it means that we are changing our offense, like i have been begging for us to do, and start attacking the paint more rather than allow roleplayers to shoot a million contested 3s/fadeaway 3s and restrict roleplayers from trying to create their own shot, im okay with it

Kuminga’s game is similar to Josh Smith… dont expect much from his jump shots.. sometimes he catches fire.. but he can attack the paint with the best of them.

He doesn't make sense even at 20 mil a year for Miami. Kuminga would be suited for eams like Detroit that are young, already have a number 1 and need someone else to be 2nd or 3rd scorer. Kinda like what Randle was for Ant.

For Miami who has two 3rd options, adding another player who is suited to be 3rd option or less is pointless. We are just tying up our and flexibility on a direction to nowhere

[greg4012]

If going after Kuminga is real and if this does indicate a change in philosophy I welcome it. Basing entire offseasons on the chance that stars shake loose is bad process. This is star or nothing stuff is way past the expiration date. We currently sit at 7 guys who are 25 years of age an under. Make Kuminga the 8th. Throw in a in his prime Bam and let the youth and young vets go out there and play. Perhaps going in this direction leads to development of young players that makes them appealing assets for the ever elusive star trade.

Young players are only assets when they are not paid or when they overperform their contract.
If you sign Kuminga for 30 mil and he's an okay productive player, Heat will be stuck with that contract

This is just dumb and stupid cuz they too proud to see they need to rebuild.

Why commit more money to the Bam, Herro and a Kuminga core. The ceiling for those 3 is 1st round exits. Why would anyone want to watch for the next couple seasons.

I'd rather be awful and get high draft picks

We did the pay the role players and turn them into assets with Whiteside, JJ, Duncan, TJ, Dion and they were opposite of assets. We had to pay teams to take their contracts. Now Kuminga is younger, but same applies. Too much risk we get stuck with another unwanted contract on a mediocre team

Consider me not at all interested in signing Kuminga for $30M. Any one actually in favor of that?

[Kobewade11]

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stats around 6 min mark

[SoFlaKingReal]

Kuminga at 4 years 80 which is comparable to Malik Monk, that contract is fine.

Once youre talking 100 million youre flirting with danger.. 120-130 million is absolute lunacy.

If it means that we are changing our offense, like i have been begging for us to do, and start attacking the paint more rather than allow roleplayers to shoot a million contested 3s/fadeaway 3s and restrict roleplayers from trying to create their own shot, im okay with it

Kuminga’s game is similar to Josh Smith… dont expect much from his jump shots.. sometimes he catches fire.. but he can attack the paint with the best of them.

The problem is that style is a clunky fit with Bam.

I think it can open things up for bam.. Bam was getting absolutely swarmed by Allen and Mobley.. he needed someone on the team to take the pressure away..

Ty Jerome’s scrub ass had clamps on Herro, Garland kept telling us Herro is not a threat, and he was proven right.

no one else on the team was a threat they just focused on sending multiple bodies sometimes two bodies to Bam. And they knew the rest of the team isnt capable of doing **** on their own.

Kuminga’s rim pressure can only be a benefit.

I kept calling during the game on this board in the around the nba thread for Kuminga to play more minutes in the Rockets series.. i was like Moody has been absolutely useless.. podz isnt doing ****.. warriors up 3-1 and they coasted 2 games and pulled away in game 7.

Once curry got injured, wolves focused on butler, they didnt have a single player that can attack the basket, take the pressure away from butler.. just kept chucking 3s hoping to get lucky to a victory..

These are kumingas splits from game 2 - 5 after kerr came to his senses that Moody is useless and Kuminga needs to play:

Game 2: 18 points 5 rebounds 72% fg
Game 3: 30 points, 6 rebounds 3 assists 2 blocks 61% fg
Game 4: 23 points on 46% shooting
Game 5: 26 points on 48% shooting

Well yeah, anything is an improvement over our playoff roster. I was more comparing it to our time with Jimmy and Bam. We always wanted to ideally apir Bam with someone who operates more on the perimeter.

[Vertical Limit]

Kuminga at 4 years 80 which is comparable to Malik Monk, that contract is fine.

Once youre talking 100 million youre flirting with danger.. 120-130 million is absolute lunacy.

If it means that we are changing our offense, like i have been begging for us to do, and start attacking the paint more rather than allow roleplayers to shoot a million contested 3s/fadeaway 3s and restrict roleplayers from trying to create their own shot, im okay with it

Kuminga’s game is similar to Josh Smith… dont expect much from his jump shots.. sometimes he catches fire.. but he can attack the paint with the best of them.

He doesn't make sense even at 20 mil a year for Miami. Kuminga would be suited for eams like Detroit that are young, already have a number 1 and need someone else to be 2nd or 3rd scorer. Kinda like what Randle was for Ant.

For Miami who has two 3rd options, adding another player who is suited to be 3rd option or less is pointless. We are just tying up our and flexibility on a direction to nowhere

Oh i completely agree with you.

Adding Kuminga is not even my top 10 things id like for us to do in this offseason.. and as far as the Heat goes as a brand, it makes the team look like small time players..

It’s not like before when we would hunt for big fish deep in the ocean.. now we are casting our rods off the key biscayne lighthouse pier for little fish that we have to throw back..

I rather just trade wiggins for expirings and picks..

continue the development of Ware, Larrson, JJJ, Davion and now Kasparas.

Buyout rozier to open up playing time for the younger players

Roll with the roster weve got and play the young guys heavy minutes in the upcoming season and re-engage in going after a real star/#1 option in 2026.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Here we go again

Pat Riley ALWAYS gets his whale. After you all gave up on him after striking out on KD you better stay on that side after he lands Giannis!!!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

In the Giannis talks the only untouchables are KJ, Ware, Jovic, Jaime, Highsmith, Kuminga, any of our picks, and settles

[carnageta]

Tyler Herro
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
3 FRPs

For Giannis and change?


I can imagine this being like the 04' situation where we traded all of the kids (expect for Wade) for Shaq. Bam is clearly our 'Wade'.

[MartyCONLONNN]

In the Giannis talks the only untouchables are KJ, Ware, Jovic, Jaime, Highsmith, Kuminga, any of our picks, and settles

The report is so stupid. He hasn't even asked out and it's common knowledge that big market teams would like to acquire a top 3 player in their prime ... also every other team would be interested, not just those 3 lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tyler Herro
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
3 FRPs

For Giannis and change?


I can imagine this being like the 04' situation where we traded all of the kids (expect for Wade) for Shaq. Bam is clearly our 'Wade'.

No to Wiggins, we need him for our Gabe Vincent pursuit

[3ammy3uck3ts]

In the Giannis talks the only untouchables are KJ, Ware, Jovic, Jaime, Highsmith, Kuminga, any of our picks, and settles

The report is so stupid. He hasn't even asked out and it's common knowledge that big market teams would like to acquire a top 3 player in their prime ... also every other team would be interested, not just those 3 lol

But only ONE team has The Godfather (an old white man cosplaying as an Italian mobster)

[MartyCONLONNN]

Tyler Herro
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
3 FRPs

For Giannis and change?


I can imagine this being like the 04' situation where we traded all of the kids (expect for Wade) for Shaq. Bam is clearly our 'Wade'.

27 YO Bam with an overlapping skillset as Giannis except worse than Giannis at everything except being a more versatile defender...

yeah that is not the same complimentary pairing as an unstoppable two way scoring guard complimented by a dominant paint force in Shaq. Sadly the better option would be replacing Bam with Giannis and keeping the spacing.

[carnageta]

Tyler Herro
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
3 FRPs

For Giannis and change?


I can imagine this being like the 04' situation where we traded all of the kids (expect for Wade) for Shaq. Bam is clearly our 'Wade'.

No to Wiggins, we need him for our Gabe Vincent pursuit

Nmandi would lead us to the finals (just like he did in 2023 and nearly in 2022) so I guess it's understandable

[carnageta]

Tyler Herro
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
3 FRPs

For Giannis and change?


I can imagine this being like the 04' situation where we traded all of the kids (expect for Wade) for Shaq. Bam is clearly our 'Wade'.

27 YO Bam with an overlapping skillset as Giannis except worse than Giannis at everything except being a more versatile defender...

yeah that is not the same complimentary pairing as an unstoppable two way scoring guard complimented by a dominant paint force in Shaq. Sadly the better option would be replacing Bam with Giannis and keeping the spacing.

I honestly 100% agree with you, but I just can't ever see our FO trading Bam

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tyler Herro
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
3 FRPs

For Giannis and change?


I can imagine this being like the 04' situation where we traded all of the kids (expect for Wade) for Shaq. Bam is clearly our 'Wade'.

27 YO Bam with an overlapping skillset as Giannis except worse than Giannis at everything except being a more versatile defender...

yeah that is not the same complimentary pairing as an unstoppable two way scoring guard complimented by a dominant paint force in Shaq. Sadly the better option would be replacing Bam with Giannis and keeping the spacing.

To be fair the same could’ve been said for Jimmy/Bam yet they almost got it done 3 times and Bam shoots 3s now and hopefully continues to develop there. You get your 2 extremely versatile bigs and defensive monsters together and go from there

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Call me crazy, I prefer this gamble to Kuminga.

[SoFlaKingReal]

Tyler Herro
Kel'el Ware
Nikola Jovic
Andrew Wiggins
3 FRPs

For Giannis and change?


I can imagine this being like the 04' situation where we traded all of the kids (expect for Wade) for Shaq. Bam is clearly our 'Wade'.

27 YO Bam with an overlapping skillset as Giannis except worse than Giannis at everything except being a more versatile defender...

yeah that is not the same complimentary pairing as an unstoppable two way scoring guard complimented by a dominant paint force in Shaq. Sadly the better option would be replacing Bam with Giannis and keeping the spacing.

Maybe try to flip Bam for Jaylen Brown in this scenario lol