Warriors Free Agency 2025

[bay2hk]

The Warriors have cap holds on 19 players, including such names as David West and Andrew Bogut. They are there until they are renounced by the W's or they die. There are reasons not to renounce them. Nothing special about JK's. They affect cap space but not Apron restrictions.

You’re getting the QO cap hold restriction and regular cap hold confused. The QO cap hold counts against our cap since the offer is outstanding and remains unsigned.

As I said, cap holds count against the cap but not against Apron restrictions. We're already way over the cap. The MLE is not related to the cap but it is to Apron restrictions.

Google “ nba qo cap hold count against the cap”. Gemini summarizes the answer nicely. The point is we need to rescind JK’s QO or he has to sign it because of his restricted qo cap hold.

[Old_Blue]

Google “ nba qo cap hold count against the cap”. Gemini summarizes the answer nicely. The point is we need to rescind JK’s QO or rescind it because of his restricted qo cap hold.

Wow. Makes me wonder which team will be the first to save a few shekels by firing its human GM and incorporating an AI GM?

[xdrta+]

You’re getting the QO cap hold restriction and regular cap hold confused. The QO cap hold counts against our cap since the offer is outstanding and remains unsigned.

As I said, cap holds count against the cap but not against Apron restrictions. We're already way over the cap. The MLE is not related to the cap but it is to Apron restrictions.

Google “ nba qo cap hold count against the cap”. Gemini summarizes the answer nicely. The point is we need to rescind JK’s QO or rescind it because of his restricted qo cap hold.

I don't know Gemini, but maybe you can quote something. I can tell you that a QO cap hold is exactly like other cap holds and counts in team salary towards the cap. It has no effect on Apron restrictions.

[xdrta+]

You’re getting the QO cap hold restriction and regular cap hold confused. The QO cap hold counts against our cap since the offer is outstanding and remains unsigned.

As I said, cap holds count against the cap but not against Apron restrictions. We're already way over the cap. The MLE is not related to the cap but it is to Apron restrictions.

Google “ nba qo cap hold count against the cap”. Gemini summarizes the answer nicely. The point is we need to rescind JK’s QO or he has to sign it because of his restricted qo cap hold.

Ah, I apologize, you do have a point. I did what I should have done first, which is go to the CBA. Indeed, QO cap holds are treated differently now. From the CBA on what constitutes Apron salary:

"...plus, with respect to any Restricted Free Agent, the greater of (A) the Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses called for in any outstanding Qualifying Offer (or any outstanding Maximum Qualifying Offer, if applicable) tendered to the player, or (B) the Salary plus Unlikely Bonuses called for in any First Refusal Exercise Notice (as defined in Article XI, Section 5(g)) issued with respect to such player..."

(A) means that the 7.9MM QO would count towards Apron salary now, and (B) means that if there is an offer that they want to match it would count.

So they have several options. They don't have to tender an offer, they can just sign a FA contract with him if they want to keep him. Or they could simply not match an offer they don't like or offer him a little more. Few teams have the cap space to offer him a lot, so it will be interesting to see.

[bay2hk]

As I said, cap holds count against the cap but not against Apron restrictions. We're already way over the cap. The MLE is not related to the cap but it is to Apron restrictions.

Google “ nba qo cap hold count against the cap”. Gemini summarizes the answer nicely. The point is we need to rescind JK’s QO or rescind it because of his restricted qo cap hold.

I don't know Gemini, but maybe you can quote something. I can tell you that a QO cap hold is exactly like other cap holds and counts in team salary towards the cap. It has no effect on Apron restrictions.

You’re missing the point here. We can’t use the MLE unless we rescind JK’s QO since it hard caps us at the first apron. JK’s QO caphold is $23m which would put us over the first apron if we sign a free agent using the MLE. Not sure what other way I can explain this. Anything I said above is incorrect?

[xdrta+]

Google “ nba qo cap hold count against the cap”. Gemini summarizes the answer nicely. The point is we need to rescind JK’s QO or rescind it because of his restricted qo cap hold.

I don't know Gemini, but maybe you can quote something. I can tell you that a QO cap hold is exactly like other cap holds and counts in team salary towards the cap. It has no effect on Apron restrictions.

You’re missing the point here. We can’t use the MLE unless we rescind JK’s QO since it hard caps us at the first apron. JK’s QO caphold is $23m which would put us over the first apron if we sign a free agent using the MLE. Not sure what other way I can explain this. Anything I said above is incorrect?

We crossed paths here. It's not the cap hold that counts, though, it's the QO as I quoted above from the CBA. As far as I know they haven't actually tendered a QO yet, either.

[bay2hk]

I don't know Gemini, but maybe you can quote something. I can tell you that a QO cap hold is exactly like other cap holds and counts in team salary towards the cap. It has no effect on Apron restrictions.

You’re missing the point here. We can’t use the MLE unless we rescind JK’s QO since it hard caps us at the first apron. JK’s QO caphold is $23m which would put us over the first apron if we sign a free agent using the MLE. Not sure what other way I can explain this. Anything I said above is incorrect?

We crossed paths here. It's not the cap hold that counts, though, it's the QO as I quoted above from the CBA. As far as I know they haven't actually tendered a QO yet, either.

You’re grasping at straws buddy. They will offer the QO by 6/29, at which point we cannot use the MLE unless JK accepts or we rescind the QO. Am I wrong?

[xdrta+]

You’re missing the point here. We can’t use the MLE unless we rescind JK’s QO since it hard caps us at the first apron. JK’s QO caphold is $23m which would put us over the first apron if we sign a free agent using the MLE. Not sure what other way I can explain this. Anything I said above is incorrect?

We crossed paths here. It's not the cap hold that counts, though, it's the QO as I quoted above from the CBA. As far as I know they haven't actually tendered a QO yet, either.

You’re grasping at straws buddy. They will offer the QO by 6/29, at which point we cannot use the MLE unless JK accepts or we rescind the QO. Am I wrong?

Well, a QO will leave them with about $17M room below the Apron. I depends on what they think they can do with it, and what they want to do about Kuminga.

[TB]

I wonder what type of money Sandro Mamukelashvili is going to get. I wouldn’t mind trying to use the TPMLE on him if Brook Lopez isn’t an option… heck I might want him over Lopez since the upside potential past this year is higher.

Other stretch big options would be more combo bigs that are a bit undersized, like Nance, Lyles, Yabu.

[whatisacenter]

What about Nance JR?

If he is healthy and a vet min guy I’ve always thought he would be a good fit here as a big.

[TB]

What about Nance JR?

If he is healthy and a vet min guy I’ve always thought he would be a good fit here as a big.

Yup agreed, if Sandro or Lopez or maybe Yabu are too pricey… I really like Nance or a Lyles type.

[marthafokker]

How about Bol Bol? Bring in a legacy kid.

[xdrta+]

Unless JK walks and the Warriors get nothing, there is no way to use the NTMLE. Whether the Warriors re-sign him or he is S&Ted all the Apron room will be used. They are locked into the taxpayer MLE.

[DAWill1128]

From what I understand we still have the 8.8 million traded player exception for dealing Kyle Anderson, correct me if I am wrong.

But in the case of us being able to use it I would go after Goga Bitadze with that exception and some draft capital. He likes to mix it up inside, can score, keep the ball moving. With Orlando taking on Banes large contract maybe it makes sense to Orlando.

I know the Celtics are trying to clear money off the books, would make complete sense for them to deal us Niang. Though Niang is a power forward and we could use a guy who can body up centers defensively. Regardless, it gets you some money on the books for a midseason trade if you see more of a need elsewhere than carrying a stretch 4.

[azwfan]

From what I understand we still have the 8.8 million traded player exception for dealing Kyle Anderson, correct me if I am wrong.

But in the case of us being able to use it I would go after Goga Bitadze with that exception and some draft capital. He likes to mix it up inside, can score, keep the ball moving. With Orlando taking on Banes large contract maybe it makes sense to Orlando.

I know the Celtics are trying to clear money off the books, would make complete sense for them to deal us Niang. Though Niang is a power forward and we could use a guy who can body up centers defensively. Regardless, it gets you some money on the books for a midseason trade if you see more of a need elsewhere than carrying a stretch 4.

From what I read, using that trade exception also hard caps the dubs at the 1st apron.

They cant use that trade exception and the full ntmle and stay under the 1st apron (without dumping salary).

Edit:
So from my understanding (which granted could be wrong)

Option 1:
Resign Kuminga and use the tax mle. Operate over 1st apron

Option 2:
S&T Kuminga taking back 50% salary and use the tax mle. Operate over 1st apron

Option 3:
S&T Kuminga taking no salary back (or let him walk for nothing) and use the full NTMLE and TE up to the 1st apron. Operate under 1st apron (hard capped).

Option 4:
Dump some salary (somehow) and recalculate the other options. Awhile back I targeted Hield as a dump option but he was instrumental in getting this playin juggernaut into the playoffs so maybe he’s seen as vital now (?).

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[DAWill1128]

From what I understand we still have the 8.8 million traded player exception for dealing Kyle Anderson, correct me if I am wrong.

But in the case of us being able to use it I would go after Goga Bitadze with that exception and some draft capital. He likes to mix it up inside, can score, keep the ball moving. With Orlando taking on Banes large contract maybe it makes sense to Orlando.

I know the Celtics are trying to clear money off the books, would make complete sense for them to deal us Niang. Though Niang is a power forward and we could use a guy who can body up centers defensively. Regardless, it gets you some money on the books for a midseason trade if you see more of a need elsewhere than carrying a stretch 4.

From what I read, using that trade exception also hard caps the dubs at the 1st apron.

They cant use that trade exception and the full ntmle and stay under the 1st apron (without dumping salary).

Edit:
So from my understanding (which granted could be wrong)

Option 1:
Resign Kuminga and use the tax mle. Operate over 1st apron

Option 2:
S&T Kuminga taking back 50% salary and use the tax mle. Operate over 1st apron

Option 3:
S&T Kuminga taking no salary back (or let him walk for nothing) and use the full NTMLE and TE up to the 1st apron. Operate under 1st apron (hard capped).

Option 4:
Dump some salary (somehow) and recalculate the other options. Awhile back I targeted Hield as a dump option but he was instrumental in getting this playin juggernaut into the playoffs so maybe he’s seen as vital now (?).

So they cannot use the trade exception to get Goga, then resign Kuminga, then sign a guard with the tax payer MLE?

[bay2hk]

Unless JK walks and the Warriors get nothing, there is no way to use the NTMLE. Whether the Warriors re-sign him or he is S&Ted all the Apron room will be used. They are locked into the taxpayer MLE.

We can if JK accepts his QO. Like I mentioned many times above we can’t use the NTMLE because of his QO caphold. JK’s situation may prevent us from using the NTMLE until it’s settled.

Hopefully JK doesn’t pull a Patrick McCaw. We have until 7/14 to rescind his QO to use the NTMLE or we would need to wait until 10/1 if he reminds unsigned. At that point the FA class will be leftovers. JK does have some leverage.

This is also why I think we drafted 2 second rounders. We’re trying to utilize the NTMLE while staying under the apron.

[xdrta+]

We can if JK accepts his QO. Like I mentioned many times above we can’t use the NTMLE because of his QO caphold.

And as I told you, his cap hold doesn't apply. It's the $7.9M QO that applies to the salary count of the 1st Apron. And the chance of him accepting that approaches zero.

[statsman]

They cant use that trade exception and the full ntmle and stay under the 1st apron (without dumping salary).

Are you sure about that? It would suck, if true.