Run it Back or Upgrade?

[VicVinegar]

If the Pistons trade Ivey, they will regret it. I say this as someone who hated the selection at the time. The first two years were brutal, but last season he came out focused, and his synergy with Cade, and Duren were fantastic.

I think out of sight, out of mind is happening a little to folks. Go back, if you have league pass, and watch Iveys games from last season. No way I'm moving him. At the very least, his trade value is going to skyrocket by the dealine, if the need arises. Moving him now would be incredibly shortsighted, unless an absolute killer move is being made.

The funny thing about Ivey is he actually might be our most clutch player. There's not a whole lot of value behind that, but when 3/4 of our playoff losses were one possession games (with Cade missing big shots and Beasley losing a ball), it's worth noting. I'd hate to move him, he's coming off his best season and shot 40% from three. Yes he is poor defensively. IDK why a large number of people on this forum think all starters have to be GODS on both ends of the floor. That's not realistic. What you need are guys who's strengths offset their teammates weaknesses, and we have a pretty good balance of that. Around here the vibe seems to be that Duren and Ivey will never amount to anything because they don't play defense, and Ausar will amount to nothing because he can't score. A player is only good if he shoots 40% from three, averages 10 rebounds, 6 assists, and 2 steals apparently. Like come on. People just love to focus on the negatives. And yet people salivate over a guy like Devin Booker, who is coming off a pretty bad defensive season. Obviously Booker is better, just saying some people on here are hypocritical that our **** stinks but no one else's does.

I think it's insanely clear management has no intention of moving any of the young guys, Harris likely stays too. Schroeder I think is long gone, so it will be interesting to see what they do about that. Beasley I expect back. THJ probably depends on if he prices himself out. I'm sure they'd love to have him as a veteran locker room guy off the bench for dirt cheap, but if he wants any substantial money, Lanier can probably play a very similar role as THJ did.

[tmorgan]

There’s a helluva lotta room between ‘being a GOD’ defensively and where Ivey is now. He sucks. The advanced numbers say he completely sucks. The eye test says he at least kinda sucks.

He shouldn’t. It should be teachable to make less mistakes. I’m hoping. But pretending he’s been anything but a piss poor defender so far is fantasy.

EDIT: Cade took a significant step defensively last year, from barely better than Ivey to about league average. Not surprisingly, he still struggles some with quickness and does well against size. But he learned something, clearly. Ivey can, too.

[Snakebites]

We still don’t have a SINGLE player on our roster who is above average on both ends of the floor, and that’s even with some internal improvement this year.

[MotownMadness]

He wants to come back but says “Detroit ain’t waiting for me”

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[Snakebites]

He wants to come back but says “Detroit ain’t waiting for me”

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Sounds like negotiations have gone sour.

[Kalamazoo317]

We still don’t have a SINGLE player on our roster who is above average on both ends of the floor, and that’s even with some internal improvement this year.

Once he got on track, Tobias was above average on both ends of the floor, imo, and definitely was in the playoffs. Shroder was too, but he's not on the roster right now, I understand.

[bstein14]

Tobias for sure finished the season playing above average on offense and defense. He had a rough start with us though shooting the ball.

[tmorgan]

Yeah, when your big gobbles boards but doesn’t play much help defense, your four needs to be able to handle his business as an internal defender and as a perimeter shot contester. Tobias was very solid in that regard. Once his offense got on track and he learned to fit in, he was very solid and pretty consistent game-to-game. Lost in Beasley’s huge offensive season, Harris really was important last year.

[tmorgan]

Schroder has strange role in the NBA and always has. A little too good to settle down as a decently paid backup (what we want), not quite good enough to land a solid, long term deal as a starter (what he wants).

He’s a hard-working solid defender, long arms but a little small otherwise. His perimeter shot isn’t great, career 34.2% with a lot of seasons close to that number, but certainly not bad. Good playmaker (4.9 ast to 2.2 to for his career) that takes care of the ball. Basically, no elite skills or even close, but no real weaknesses, either. OK mid, OK at the rim for a little guy, career on court almost exactly zero while rarely playing on good teams.

He’ll play his age 32 season next year, can’t blame the guy for trying to get paid. But 15 mil per or whatever he wants is just too much for the role we can offer him — for the regular season. Having him around for the playoffs would be nice. Maybe he signs elsewhere and we trade for him again.

[Snakebites]

We still don’t have a SINGLE player on our roster who is above average on both ends of the floor, and that’s even with some internal improvement this year.

Once he got on track, Tobias was above average on both ends of the floor, imo, and definitely was in the playoffs. Shroder was too, but he's not on the roster right now, I understand.

Schroder looked pretty good on defense for us towards the end but historically I don’t know if that represents his body of work. And yeah as you say it’s looking increasingly likely he won’t be on the team next year.

If Tobias is your best two way player that’s not an enviable position.

[bstein14]

From Schroeder's comments, I believe the Pistons will be trying to operate as a team with cap space renouncing their FAs and then using the room exception on Beasley. Of course this might not work if Beasley gets a full MLE offer from someone else.

"Detroit won't wait for me" essentially tells me we aren't going to sit and keep his cap hold on our books while he and his agent try to field offers from other teams to see what's out there.

If we were going to operate as an over the cap team we'd keep his cap hold and just resign him at whatever price we felt ok with even if he went to other teams first.

Reminder, we can negociate with our own FAs already and starting Monday June 30th at 6PM teams can start negotiating with other teams FAs.

Its very possible we made him an offer to stay already and he wants to test FA to see how much he can get and Detroit's offer (and his early bird status with us) could go off the table if we quickly renounce his rights for other moves with our cap space.

[Snakebites]

From Schroeder's comments, I believe the Pistons will be trying to operate as a team with cap space renouncing their FAs and then using the room exception on Beasley. Of course this might not work if Beasley gets a full MLE offer from someone else.

"Detroit won't wait for me" essentially tells me we aren't going to sit and keep his cap hold on our books while he and his agent try to field offers from other teams to see what's out there.

If we were going to operate as an over the cap team we'd keep his cap hold and just resign him at whatever price we felt ok with even if he went to other teams first.

Reminder, we can negociate with our own FAs already and starting Monday June 30th at 6PM teams can start negotiating with other teams FAs.

Its very possible we made him an offer to stay already and he wants to test FA to see how much he can get and Detroit's offer (and his early bird status with us) could go off the table if we quickly renounce his rights for other moves with our cap space.

The Naz Reid thing also signaled our willingness to operate with cap space- we may have even been prepared to make a move to increase that space.

It’s a risk for sure. We’ll see.

[Rip32]

Dennis wasn't in the long term plans. I have no problem moving on from Dennis.

[Snakebites]

Anyone put stock into our alleged interest in NAW? I find it odd given the state of our guard rotation.

Unless of course it’s either

A) In place of Beasley
B) the plan is to run a lot of 3 guard lineups

[Crymson]

Anyone put stock into our alleged interest in NAW? I find it odd given the state of our guard rotation.

Unless of course it’s either

A) In place of Beasley
B) the plan is to run a lot of 3 guard lineups

I think the chances of Trajan swapping out a secondary lead handler for yet another wing are very low. That would be a big downgrade, and he'd run the risk of last season's pre-Schroder struggles with Cade off the floor being repeated.

It'll also be very difficult to acquire both NAW and Beasley in the first place; one would need to take the Room MLE, and that's highly unlikely.

[VicVinegar]

Can someone knowledgeable please give me the spark notes version of the Pistons cap situation? Rumor is they were in on Naz Reid and considering he signed at $25M a year, idk how they would've fit that in (minus a trade or the fact that they low balled him). Sport trac says they have about $19M in cap space if they let go of all of their cap holds (THJ, Reed, Schroeder, Beasley, Waters, Jenkins). That wouldn't be enough to fit Naz, nor would the $14M MLE.

[tmorgan]

Can someone knowledgeable please give me the spark notes version of the Pistons cap situation? Rumor is they were in on Naz Reid and considering he signed at $25M a year, idk how they would've fit that in (minus a trade or the fact that they low balled him). Sport trac says they have about $19M in cap space if they let go of all of their cap holds (THJ, Reed, Schroeder, Beasley, Waters, Jenkins). That wouldn't be enough to fit Naz, nor would the $14M MLE.

If you know Naz wants to sign, you work on another deal, or you pay someone to take Tek.

[JohnReese]

Anyone put stock into our alleged interest in NAW? I find it odd given the state of our guard rotation.

Unless of course it’s either

A) In place of Beasley
B) the plan is to run a lot of 3 guard lineups

B is the most likely scenario. If you cannot add a quality SF, go with 3 guards. Size with no quality is pointless.

I am curious of what we plan to do with Fontecchio.

[ducler]

NAW played a bit of PG for the Wolves this season, didn't he?

[MortSahlfan]

Then who are they waiting for?

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