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Post#2301 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:40 pm

toooskies wrote:Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?
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Post#2302 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:02 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.
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Post#2303 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:32 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.
They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.
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Post#2304 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:39 pm

toooskies wrote:Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston Phoenix called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.


KD is such a messy bitch.
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Post#2305 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 7:51 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.


It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Post#2306 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:10 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.


It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.

Phoenix called the Cavs and made the offer, not Houston. A few weeks ago, apparently.
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Post#2307 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:11 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.
They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.

The 2029 worst-of-UTA/MIN/CLE is out there. Maybe the Cavs end up with a 1st back for Hunter or something as part of the remaining matching salary.
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Post#2308 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:12 pm

toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:You're right, Phoenix.


It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.

Phoenix called the Cavs and made the offer, not Houston. A few weeks ago, apparently.


But they had no ability to add draft capital or take back the salary the Cavs would have to send out. There would have to be a third team.
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Post#2309 » by JonFromVA » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:31 pm

toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
toooskies wrote:You're right, Phoenix.
They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.

The 2029 worst-of-UTA/MIN/CLE is out there. Maybe the Cavs end up with a 1st back for Hunter or something as part of the remaining matching salary.


The return on KD sucked, I'm sure Phoenix was calling everyone in the league trying to get some bidding going.

How did they not get any of their future #1's back from Houston?
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Post#2310 » by toooskies » Wed Jun 25, 2025 8:42 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
toooskies wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.

Phoenix called the Cavs and made the offer, not Houston. A few weeks ago, apparently.


But they had no ability to add draft capital or take back the salary the Cavs would have to send out. There would have to be a third team.

They could add the 2029 worst-of 1st that could be the Cavs' original pick. I'd probably also accept Dunn and/or Igodaro back as reasonably valuable prospects who wouldn't complicate the trade framework.
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Post#2311 » by jbk1234 » Wed Jun 25, 2025 9:56 pm

JonFromVA wrote:
toooskies wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.

The 2029 worst-of-UTA/MIN/CLE is out there. Maybe the Cavs end up with a 1st back for Hunter or something as part of the remaining matching salary.


The return on KD sucked, I'm sure Phoenix was calling everyone in the league trying to get some bidding going.

How did they not get any of their future #1's back from Houston?


Yeah, in the last six months, Durant shut down trades to the Warriors, Wolves, and apparently, the Cavs. I would've told him he's not getting traded.
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Re: Trade Ideas 

Post#2312 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:57 am

Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?
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Re: Trade Ideas 

Post#2313 » by ijspeelman » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:01 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?


That is a massive downgrade
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Post#2314 » by toooskies » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:10 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?


That is a massive downgrade

Yeah, Wade might be the better player even at the 5.
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Re: Trade Ideas 

Post#2315 » by Chip » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:28 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?


I may be biased towards Wade, but I never felt that he was a problem, especially for the price we're paying for him. Ideally we get a different backup big, and he just lessens the load during the regular season; but I think he's more than serviceable in a pinch. I just wish he got some of his confidence back to rip from the 3, like several seasons ago. He had that one injury that kept him sidelined for several months, 2 or 3 seasons ago, and he hasn't been the same since. Still believe in my boy Dean though.
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Post#2316 » by jbk1234 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 8:13 pm

Chip wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?


I may be biased towards Wade, but I never felt that he was a problem, especially for the price we're paying for him. Ideally we get a different backup big, and he just lessens the load during the regular season; but I think he's more than serviceable in a pinch. I just wish he got some of his confidence back to rip from the 3, like several seasons ago. He had that one injury that kept him sidelined for several months, 2 or 3 seasons ago, and he hasn't been the same since. Still believe in my boy Dean though.


Agreed, especially now that Okoro is gone. Having them both on the floor was rough when neither would pull, but that won't be an issue now.
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