Trade Ideas

[JujitsuFlip]

Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

[toooskies]

Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.

[JujitsuFlip]

Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.

They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.

[jbk1234]

Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston Phoenix called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

KD is such a messy bitch.

[jbk1234]

Update on the "Cavs offered Garland for KD" rumors, from Windy on 5 good minutes: Houston called the Cavs about whether the Cavs wanted KD. The Cavs asked for KD and picks for Garland, and Houston didn't reject that. But KD didn't want to go to Cleveland so talks didn't advance past that point.

More of a "KD could be a centerpiece in a Garland deal" rather than the other way around.

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.

It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.

[toooskies]

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.

It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.

Phoenix called the Cavs and made the offer, not Houston. A few weeks ago, apparently.

[toooskies]

Wait Houston or Phoenix?

You're right, Phoenix.

They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.

The 2029 worst-of-UTA/MIN/CLE is out there. Maybe the Cavs end up with a 1st back for Hunter or something as part of the remaining matching salary.

[jbk1234]

You're right, Phoenix.

It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.

Phoenix called the Cavs and made the offer, not Houston. A few weeks ago, apparently.

But they had no ability to add draft capital or take back the salary the Cavs would have to send out. There would have to be a third team.

[JonFromVA]

You're right, Phoenix.

They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.

The 2029 worst-of-UTA/MIN/CLE is out there. Maybe the Cavs end up with a 1st back for Hunter or something as part of the remaining matching salary.

The return on KD sucked, I'm sure Phoenix was calling everyone in the league trying to get some bidding going.

How did they not get any of their future #1's back from Houston?

[toooskies]

It makes no sense that the Rockets would've helped facilitate a Durant to Cleveland deal if they wanted Durant. They could've traded the same package to the Suns, tossed a couple of picks on top, and gotten Garland. They could've opted out of FVV's deal and taken back the extra salary required.

Phoenix called the Cavs and made the offer, not Houston. A few weeks ago, apparently.

But they had no ability to add draft capital or take back the salary the Cavs would have to send out. There would have to be a third team.

They could add the 2029 worst-of 1st that could be the Cavs' original pick. I'd probably also accept Dunn and/or Igodaro back as reasonably valuable prospects who wouldn't complicate the trade framework.

[jbk1234]

They don't even own any of their own picks, so idk how much i believe Windy on that one.

The 2029 worst-of-UTA/MIN/CLE is out there. Maybe the Cavs end up with a 1st back for Hunter or something as part of the remaining matching salary.

The return on KD sucked, I'm sure Phoenix was calling everyone in the league trying to get some bidding going.

How did they not get any of their future #1's back from Houston?

Yeah, in the last six months, Durant shut down trades to the Warriors, Wolves, and apparently, the Cavs. I would've told him he's not getting traded.

[JujitsuFlip]

Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?

[ijspeelman]

Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?

That is a massive downgrade

[toooskies]

Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?

That is a massive downgrade

Yeah, Wade might be the better player even at the 5.

[Chip]

Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?

I may be biased towards Wade, but I never felt that he was a problem, especially for the price we're paying for him. Ideally we get a different backup big, and he just lessens the load during the regular season; but I think he's more than serviceable in a pinch. I just wish he got some of his confidence back to rip from the 3, like several seasons ago. He had that one injury that kept him sidelined for several months, 2 or 3 seasons ago, and he hasn't been the same since. Still believe in my boy Dean though.

[jbk1234]

Honestly just hit me sitting here, why don't we trade Wade for Nick Richards or is he not good enough?

I may be biased towards Wade, but I never felt that he was a problem, especially for the price we're paying for him. Ideally we get a different backup big, and he just lessens the load during the regular season; but I think he's more than serviceable in a pinch. I just wish he got some of his confidence back to rip from the 3, like several seasons ago. He had that one injury that kept him sidelined for several months, 2 or 3 seasons ago, and he hasn't been the same since. Still believe in my boy Dean though.

Agreed, especially now that Okoro is gone. Having them both on the floor was rough when neither would pull, but that won't be an issue now.

[toooskies]

Thought I'd work out some Giannis trades to gauge how they feel.

Trade 1 (Cleveland's opening offer):
Mobley + Hunter + all the draft comp to MIL (2031 1st, swaps in 2026/28/30/32)
Giannis + Thanasis + another min to CLE
Ball+comp (2nds) to BRK or UTA

Milwaukee has to flip Hunter if they can, but they get Mobley and part of a draft.

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Trade 2 (Milwaukee counter):
CLE out: Mobley, Garland, 2031 1st, potential swaps in 26/28/30/32
CLE in: Giannis, Thanasis, one of Sharpe/Highsmith/Thomas

MIL out: Giannis, Kuzma, Thanasis
MIL in: Mobley, Garland, min or Cam Thomas from BRK, CLE swaps

BRK out: Two of Sharpe/Highsmith/Thomas/min contract
BRK in: Kuzma, CLE 2031 1st

I'm not sure BRK takes the second deal-- they might need it to be Highsmith to CLE and a min to MIL. But if I'm Milwaukee I can talk myself into Mobley/Garland/Thomas as a foundation for a playoff team, and if I can't, I can probably flip Mobley to Atlanta and Garland to Portland to get the MIL picks back.

[ijspeelman]

Thought I'd work out some Giannis trades to gauge how they feel.

Trade 1 (Cleveland's opening offer):
Mobley + Hunter + all the draft comp to MIL (2031 1st, swaps in 2026/28/30/32)
Giannis + Thanasis + another min to CLE
Ball+comp (2nds) to BRK or UTA

Milwaukee has to flip Hunter if they can, but they get Mobley and part of a draft.

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Trade 2 (Milwaukee counter):
CLE out: Mobley, Garland, 2031 1st, potential swaps in 26/28/30/32
CLE in: Giannis, Thanasis, one of Sharpe/Highsmith/Thomas

MIL out: Giannis, Kuzma, Thanasis
MIL in: Mobley, Garland, min or Cam Thomas from BRK, CLE swaps

BRK out: Two of Sharpe/Highsmith/Thomas/min contract
BRK in: Kuzma, CLE 2031 1st

I'm not sure BRK takes the second deal-- they might need it to be Highsmith to CLE and a min to MIL. But if I'm Milwaukee I can talk myself into Mobley/Garland/Thomas as a foundation for a playoff team, and if I can't, I can probably flip Mobley to Atlanta and Garland to Portland to get the MIL picks back.

It makes sense to me. I don't think MIL would accept any CLE deal that doesn't include Mobley and a the rest of the picks. I think there is some wiggle room with Garland, but MIL would obvi try to push for him

Lets just say the 2nd trade happens and CLE ends up with Sharpe (or insert center here) as well, is Jarrett Allen also out the door?

I know we've played double big for a long time, but Giannis is a lot more of a slasher than Mobley has been and does Allen get in the way on offense?

I don't see a big drop off from a Mobley Allen frontcourt to a Giannis Allen frontcourt (tho Giannis has lost motor on D over the years)

[jbk1234]

I'm out on trading future draft capital for Giannis. I just don't trust his health or willingness to extend here. If the argument is that Mitchell and Giannis can get you to the Finals in 26 and 27, and that's worth conveying top 5 picks in 28 & 29, I can see it, but we need our own draft capital after that.

My preference would be not to trade for Giannis at all though.

[toooskies]

Thought I'd work out some Giannis trades to gauge how they feel.

Trade 1 (Cleveland's opening offer):
Mobley + Hunter + all the draft comp to MIL (2031 1st, swaps in 2026/28/30/32)
Giannis + Thanasis + another min to CLE
Ball+comp (2nds) to BRK or UTA

Milwaukee has to flip Hunter if they can, but they get Mobley and part of a draft.

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Trade 2 (Milwaukee counter):
CLE out: Mobley, Garland, 2031 1st, potential swaps in 26/28/30/32
CLE in: Giannis, Thanasis, one of Sharpe/Highsmith/Thomas

MIL out: Giannis, Kuzma, Thanasis
MIL in: Mobley, Garland, min or Cam Thomas from BRK, CLE swaps

BRK out: Two of Sharpe/Highsmith/Thomas/min contract
BRK in: Kuzma, CLE 2031 1st

I'm not sure BRK takes the second deal-- they might need it to be Highsmith to CLE and a min to MIL. But if I'm Milwaukee I can talk myself into Mobley/Garland/Thomas as a foundation for a playoff team, and if I can't, I can probably flip Mobley to Atlanta and Garland to Portland to get the MIL picks back.

It makes sense to me. I don't think MIL would accept any CLE deal that doesn't include Mobley and a the rest of the picks. I think there is some wiggle room with Garland, but MIL would obvi try to push for him

Lets just say the 2nd trade happens and CLE ends up with Sharpe (or insert center here) as well, is Jarrett Allen also out the door?

I know we've played double big for a long time, but Giannis is a lot more of a slasher than Mobley has been and does Allen get in the way on offense?

I don't see a big drop off from a Mobley Allen frontcourt to a Giannis Allen frontcourt (tho Giannis has lost motor on D over the years)

Not sending Allen out, just addressing the backup big spot which Nance and Bryant haven’t sufficiently filled.