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Post#21 » by ConSarnit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:17 am

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ciueli wrote:The IQ contract may have been an overpay, but it won't matter in the grand scheme of things. That's what I was told anyway. It definitely won't necessitate another move like the Thad Young trade to get out of the tax at the cost of downgrading a first round pick into a second round pick. Right?


IQ is the 53rd highest player in the league.

The NBA has changed. It’s not 1995 anymore. Luke Kornet is getting 41 million dollars over 4 years.

IQ’s salary stays fixed so he will take up a smaller percentage of our cap each year.


It’s not looking as good as it did yesterday.

The cap is only going up 7% next year. If it’s not going to go up 10% per year as speculated then IQ’s “fair” contract could slip into “questionable” territory. The cap in ‘28/29 was supposed to be $205m. It’s now being projected at $181m.
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Post#22 » by ConSarnit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:21 am

Thaddy wrote:Only way to get better is trade and drafting. No one wants to come here.

We'll build IQ and Ingram's value. Then we can sell in the next 2 years. RJ had a value boost and he's expiring. We can probably sell high this offseason.

RJ could bring back a young big and a pick.

Poeltl / (big) / Chomche
Barnes / CMB
Ingram / Walter
Agbaji / Dick
Quickely / Shead / Martin

Ingram + Shead + future picks could bring back a star player. We'd also have IQ + Dick/Walter for another star.

We have the pieces to seek out those trades now which is a good sign. It should get better as time goes on.


You’re overestimating the value of our players. RJ’s market is not strong (score first, questionable defense shooting guards aren’t in high demand). I doubt Ingram ups his value. He’s making the exact contract (relative to the cap) as his previous one and he was just traded for bad salary and a non-lotto 1st. Because of his player option he’s effectively an expiring after next year so we’ll likely be in the same spot NOP was with him: ie. Not a lot of suitors.
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Post#23 » by Scase » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:24 am

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Cyrus wrote:You guys want to sign all the scrubs that are available in FA market?


tWo needs some Thomas Bryant.

My guy, you talk about tWo more than they do. Let it go :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post#24 » by deck » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:24 am

How do you have such poor command of the space bar?
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Post#25 » by ishoy123 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:08 am

We did our free agency when we got Ingram
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Post#26 » by bballsparkin » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:23 am

just asking for a friend. anybody got some good stuff for cheap on the down low.
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Post#27 » by Chuck Everett » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:05 am

Los_29 wrote:
ciueli wrote:The IQ contract may have been an overpay, but it won't matter in the grand scheme of things. That's what I was told anyway. It definitely won't necessitate another move like the Thad Young trade to get out of the tax at the cost of downgrading a first round pick into a second round pick. Right?


IQ is the 53rd highest player in the league.



Is he a top 100 player though? Genuine question.
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Post#28 » by Appostis » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:17 am

Loyal_Canuck wrote:How does a lottery team , managed by a self proclaimed cap guru not have room to maneuver under the cap ?


There's maybe 3 teams with cap room?
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Post#29 » by Brinbe » Tue Jul 1, 2025 9:41 am

Their big FA signing was Ingram.

I also don't think there's been any other players signed so far that would've been a huge difference maker. All they need is a backup C but they have time and other ways to fill that spot if necessary.

Anyway, there will be trades coming at some point as there's lot of bodies here that won't all get PT but it's hardly as pressing a matter as it's made out to be. Let's see this starting group play together for a month or so and see if they have chemistry.
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Post#30 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:43 am

It’s not that we don’t have space, but also that for a low potential team we’re in the tax and approaching the apron. We can’t even use the exceptions. We missed that the cap could raise less than projected and the big man resurgence- which is odd for us to miss because our vision 6’9 proved its importance.

Other teams getting guys like Trent for what we paid Temple is the reason why.

Overpay on a few deals and there you go. We kept agents HAPPY!!!!
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Post#31 » by Los_29 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:59 am

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ciueli wrote:The IQ contract may have been an overpay, but it won't matter in the grand scheme of things. That's what I was told anyway. It definitely won't necessitate another move like the Thad Young trade to get out of the tax at the cost of downgrading a first round pick into a second round pick. Right?


IQ is the 53rd highest player in the league.



Is he a top 100 player though? Genuine question.


Checked numerous rankings from the beginning of last year. Anywhere from 60-75.
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Post#32 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:18 am

Why not just make Temple Pres of Basketball operations and free up that money for a vet big?
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Post#33 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:34 am

They made their big move at the deadline (Ingram) instead of FA.

Free agency is basically dead. You're fighting over scraps. It's mostly just depth players involved as most difference makers are locked up prior to free agency now. Reshaping the core of your team is mostly going to be through trades and the draft.
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Post#34 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:39 am

We have needs, we have redundancies, we’re supposed to think we can compete this year - I’m not surprised people want to see them addressed. Not sure what the need for Temple was. I hate seeing all these players signing for not much while I look at what we told ourselves about the Quickley contract.
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Post#35 » by Anticon » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:43 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
ciueli wrote:The IQ contract may have been an overpay, but it won't matter in the grand scheme of things. That's what I was told anyway. It definitely won't necessitate another move like the Thad Young trade to get out of the tax at the cost of downgrading a first round pick into a second round pick. Right?


IQ is the 53rd highest player in the league.

The NBA has changed. It’s not 1995 anymore. Luke Kornet is getting 41 million dollars over 4 years.

IQ’s salary stays fixed so he will take up a smaller percentage of our cap each year.


It’s not looking as good as it did yesterday.

The cap is only going up 7% next year. If it’s not going to go up 10% per year as speculated then IQ’s “fair” contract could slip into “questionable” territory. The cap in ‘28/29 was supposed to be $205m. It’s now being projected at $181m.


What's really the big delta between a good contract for IQ and his current one? Maybe $25 million per? Add $3 million for the needed Raptors overpay. So maybe $28 million?

It's seems then a lot for fuss for that extra $4.5 million.
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Post#36 » by Fairview4Life » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:48 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:We have needs, we have redundancies, we’re supposed to think we can compete this year - I’m not surprised people want to see them addressed. Not sure what the need for Temple was. I hate seeing all these players signing for not much while I look at what we told ourselves about the Quickley contract.


I don’t think the management team believes this roster is going to win an NBA title this season. This won’t be the team we have by the end of the season, let alone next year or the year after.
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Post#37 » by DG88 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:52 pm

I get it you want Raptors to do something because everyone else is. That's not a good use of capspace. We used our capspace for signing BI. The only thing we'd do with the remaining is to sign a C and training camp fodder. Don't expect us touch else.
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Post#38 » by JB7 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:01 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
ciueli wrote:The IQ contract may have been an overpay, but it won't matter in the grand scheme of things. That's what I was told anyway. It definitely won't necessitate another move like the Thad Young trade to get out of the tax at the cost of downgrading a first round pick into a second round pick. Right?


IQ is the 53rd highest player in the league.

The NBA has changed. It’s not 1995 anymore. Luke Kornet is getting 41 million dollars over 4 years.

IQ’s salary stays fixed so he will take up a smaller percentage of our cap each year.


It’s not looking as good as it did yesterday.

The cap is only going up 7% next year. If it’s not going to go up 10% per year as speculated then IQ’s “fair” contract could slip into “questionable” territory. The cap in ‘28/29 was supposed to be $205m. It’s now being projected at $181m.


Isn’t it the 1st apron that matters. Isn’t that where the tax kicks in?

Projected at $196M this year, then $210M next year and $249M by ‘28/29.
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Post#39 » by ConSarnit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:27 pm

Anticon wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
IQ is the 53rd highest player in the league.

The NBA has changed. It’s not 1995 anymore. Luke Kornet is getting 41 million dollars over 4 years.

IQ’s salary stays fixed so he will take up a smaller percentage of our cap each year.


It’s not looking as good as it did yesterday.

The cap is only going up 7% next year. If it’s not going to go up 10% per year as speculated then IQ’s “fair” contract could slip into “questionable” territory. The cap in ‘28/29 was supposed to be $205m. It’s now being projected at $181m.


What's really the big delta between a good contract for IQ and his current one? Maybe $25 million per? Add $3 million for the needed Raptors overpay. So maybe $28 million?

It's seems then a lot for fuss for that extra $4.5 million.


I think the delta matters depending on if you view the original contract as “good”. I had the original deal as “fair” but borderline. I’m also not sure why the Raptors are subject to a Raptors tax when it comes to RFA. UFA, sure but RFA’s don’t seem to come with a small market tax in any other scenario given the matching rights.

I don’t think IQ’s contract is a huge issue overall. Just pushing back a little on the idea that it’s 100% “good” going forward.
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Post#40 » by ConSarnit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:31 pm

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ConSarnit wrote:
Los_29 wrote:
IQ is the 53rd highest player in the league.

The NBA has changed. It’s not 1995 anymore. Luke Kornet is getting 41 million dollars over 4 years.

IQ’s salary stays fixed so he will take up a smaller percentage of our cap each year.


It’s not looking as good as it did yesterday.

The cap is only going up 7% next year. If it’s not going to go up 10% per year as speculated then IQ’s “fair” contract could slip into “questionable” territory. The cap in ‘28/29 was supposed to be $205m. It’s now being projected at $181m.


Isn’t it the 1st apron that matters. Isn’t that where the tax kicks in?

Projected at $196M this year, then $210M next year and $249M by ‘28/29.


Tax line: $187.9
1st apron: $195.9

The 1st apron is generally projected to be $9-10m above the tax line for the next few years.

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