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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#161 » by Jester_ » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:24 pm

Crazy-Canuck wrote:So, now it's just horford or bringing the team back minus loon.


Is that even an upgrade? I'm not sure. Love Horford but at this age, and with his shooting declining a fair bit last year, hard to say how much mileage we'll get with him as our starting center.
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Post#162 » by Onus » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:39 pm

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Crazy-Canuck wrote:So, now it's just horford or bringing the team back minus loon.


Is that even an upgrade? I'm not sure. Love Horford but at this age, and with his shooting declining a fair bit last year, hard to say how much mileage we'll get with him as our starting center.

Horford shot 36% on 5 attempts a game. Would say he had outlier shooting the last 2 years and this is more in line with his career avg.

Looney wasn't good last year. He looked slow and old and has never been a threat on offense.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#163 » by Jester_ » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:45 pm

Onus wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:So, now it's just horford or bringing the team back minus loon.


Is that even an upgrade? I'm not sure. Love Horford but at this age, and with his shooting declining a fair bit last year, hard to say how much mileage we'll get with him as our starting center.

Horford shot 36% on 5 attempts a game. Would say he had outlier shooting the last 2 years and this is more in line with his career avg.

Looney wasn't good last year. He looked slow and old and has never been a threat on offense.


That's true. Playing with Steph is also always a nice guaranteed bump to your 3-pt pct.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#164 » by cpower » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:50 pm

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Onus wrote:KD, Sengun, FVV?
SGA, JDubb, Chet
Curry, JB, Buddy?

OKC obviously the favorites but we have more offense than the rockets.

rockets just got Capela, DFS and resigned Jabari Smith Jr. They are packed with talent, shooting, size and defense.

Jabari shoots like Moody at 35%. DFS is good but he scores 8 ppg not 15-18. This is just grass is greener stuff.

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not really we have a scoring problem - most because Podz JK are below league avg scorer/creator.
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Post#165 » by SpreeS » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:28 pm

cpower wrote:
Onus wrote:
cpower wrote:rockets just got Capela, DFS and resigned Jabari Smith Jr. They are packed with talent, shooting, size and defense.

Jabari shoots like Moody at 35%. DFS is good but he scores 8 ppg not 15-18. This is just grass is greener stuff.

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not really we have a scoring problem - most because Podz JK are below league avg scorer/creator.


As I see you never end. We have scoring problems b/c our whole frontline combine (Green/Post/Looney/Davis) can't score more point than Jokic or Giannis alone. Teams construct defence against us knowing that one or two players on the floor wont score at all, cant creat own shot or hit jumper (except Post).
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Post#166 » by Jester_ » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:32 pm

SpreeS wrote:
cpower wrote:
Onus wrote:Jabari shoots like Moody at 35%. DFS is good but he scores 8 ppg not 15-18. This is just grass is greener stuff.

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not really we have a scoring problem - most because Podz JK are below league avg scorer/creator.


As I see you never end. We have scoring problems b/c our whole frontline combine (Green/Post/Looney/Davis) can't score more point than Jokic or Giannis alone. Teams construct defence against us knowing that one or two players on the floor wont score at all, cant creat own shot or hit jumper (excpect Post).


Do you think Horford will help with that?
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#167 » by Onus » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:39 pm

Jester_ wrote:
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cpower wrote:Image
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not really we have a scoring problem - most because Podz JK are below league avg scorer/creator.


As I see you never end. We have scoring problems b/c our whole frontline combine (Green/Post/Looney/Davis) can't score more point than Jokic or Giannis alone. Teams construct defence against us knowing that one or two players on the floor wont score at all, cant creat own shot or hit jumper (excpect Post).


Do you think Horford will help with that?

Yes, he takes enough 3s and makes enough to have to be accounted for. Post does as well but his defense isn't good yet, while Horford is still a solid defender.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#168 » by SpreeS » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:45 pm

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not really we have a scoring problem - most because Podz JK are below league avg scorer/creator.


As I see you never end. We have scoring problems b/c our whole frontline combine (Green/Post/Looney/Davis) can't score more point than Jokic or Giannis alone. Teams construct defence against us knowing that one or two players on the floor wont score at all, cant creat own shot or hit jumper (excpect Post).


Do you think Horford will help with that?


40 years old guy? I dont know. Looking at his last season shooting numbers I have doubts. Maybe its was exception or maybe it was due stamina and age. Who knows…
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Post#169 » by whatisacenter » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:49 pm

I wish the Warriors had waived Draymond and signed Myles Turner.
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Post#170 » by vvoland » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:52 pm

for 25M+, if we accepted a S&T for MT, are we hard capped at the 1st apron? I always forget the receiving a S&T player. If not, we could have sent out moody, buddy, and tjd to make the contracts work (unless he signed a descending one). Turner, Dray, JK, Jimmy, Steph. Now that's a starting lineup! I've been calling for it for years but well done to the bucks. I still think they'll suck next year, but i applaud them for trying.
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Post#171 » by Onus » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:00 pm

whatisacenter wrote:I wish the Warriors had waived Draymond and signed Myles Turner.

Why? Turner wasn't even closing games for the Pacers and was being benched for Obi Toppin.
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Post#172 » by jg77 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:03 pm

vvoland wrote:for 25M+, if we accepted a S&T for MT, are we hard capped at the 1st apron? I always forget the receiving a S&T player. If not, we could have sent out moody, buddy, and tjd to make the contracts work (unless he signed a descending one). Turner, Dray, JK, Jimmy, Steph. Now that's a starting lineup! I've been calling for it for years but well done to the bucks. I still think they'll suck next year, but i applaud them for trying.


They still have Giannis so how bad can they be.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#173 » by cpower » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:03 pm

Turner is fools gold for sure. Good C for 15m but almost 30? Nah
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Post#174 » by statsman » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:04 pm

whatisacenter wrote:I wish the Warriors had waived Draymond and signed Myles Turner.

The Warriors could have traded (or waived) everyone not named Curry and Butler for no salary in return, and they couldn't have made the same offer to Turner.
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Post#175 » by whatisacenter » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:05 pm

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whatisacenter wrote:I wish the Warriors had waived Draymond and signed Myles Turner.

Why? Turner wasn't even closing games for the Pacers and was being benched for Obi Toppin.


He is tall, shoots 3's and blocks shots.

Draymond was jogging around and getting used like a bar of soap last time we saw him.
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Post#176 » by Onus » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:12 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:I wish the Warriors had waived Draymond and signed Myles Turner.

Why? Turner wasn't even closing games for the Pacers and was being benched for Obi Toppin.


He is tall, shoots 3's and blocks shots.

Draymond was jogging around and getting used like a bar of soap last time we saw him.

TBH I'm not sure Turner is better than Horford definitely not 20M better let alone dropping Draymond for him.

Draymond quits when he knows he doesn't have a chance. Fair
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Post#177 » by vvoland » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:22 pm

Onus wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:Why? Turner wasn't even closing games for the Pacers and was being benched for Obi Toppin.


He is tall, shoots 3's and blocks shots.

Draymond was jogging around and getting used like a bar of soap last time we saw him.

TBH I'm not sure Turner is better than Horford definitely not 20M better let alone dropping Draymond for him.

Draymond quits when he knows he doesn't have a chance. Fair



Turner struggled against OKC, as do most centers. Particularly, when OKC went small. I thought Turner was a primary reason why they went away from the 2 big lineup, even before the series started. He really tailed off as the series progressed but his success is more PG dependent that anyone else on that team. Which makes sense considering he's a C that can't dribble. He OWNED Chet and Hartenstein in the games Indy won, particularly on the defensive end.

He's a flawed player but he's certainly far better than Horford. Just look at the success he had against MIL and Cle, two teams that had to play big. With his shooting and rim protection, he'd be an awesome defensive big next to a great defensive QB like dray. I wouldn't have moved dray for him but pairing those two would have been amazing. The argument that we already had the #1 defense post jimmy trade and should look for shot creation and 3pt shooting instead of giving up moody and buddy does make sense. @ 26M/yr, it's a great contract for MIL, as well.
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Post#178 » by cpower » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:35 pm

vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
He is tall, shoots 3's and blocks shots.

Draymond was jogging around and getting used like a bar of soap last time we saw him.

TBH I'm not sure Turner is better than Horford definitely not 20M better let alone dropping Draymond for him.

Draymond quits when he knows he doesn't have a chance. Fair



Turner struggled against OKC, as do most centers. Particularly, when OKC went small. I thought Turner was a primary reason why they went away from the 2 big lineup, even before the series started. He really tailed off as the series progressed but his success is more PG dependent that anyone else on that team. Which makes sense considering he's a C that can't dribble. He OWNED Chet and Hartenstein in the games Indy won, particularly on the defensive end.

He's a flawed player but he's certainly far better than Horford. Just look at the success he had against MIL and Cle, two teams that had to play big. With his shooting and rim protection, he'd be an awesome defensive big next to a great defensive QB like dray. I wouldn't have moved dray for him but pairing those two would have been amazing. The argument that we already had the #1 defense post jimmy trade and should look for shot creation and 3pt shooting instead of giving up moody and buddy does make sense. @ 26M/yr, it's a great contract for MIL, as well.

100% thats why i am not high on centers. the only player that makes us contender is Cam Johnson - where we can play small - Curry Hield Jimmy Cam Draymond against anyone. Now Cam is gone to denver, we will probably not making big moves as I dont see us beating OKC/Denver no matter what.. Jokic Cam Gordon Braun Murray is by far the best offensive lineup in the league
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#179 » by Onus » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:40 pm

vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
He is tall, shoots 3's and blocks shots.

Draymond was jogging around and getting used like a bar of soap last time we saw him.

TBH I'm not sure Turner is better than Horford definitely not 20M better let alone dropping Draymond for him.

Draymond quits when he knows he doesn't have a chance. Fair



Turner struggled against OKC, as do most centers. Particularly, when OKC went small. I thought Turner was a primary reason why they went away from the 2 big lineup, even before the series started. He really tailed off as the series progressed but his success is more PG dependent that anyone else on that team. Which makes sense considering he's a C that can't dribble. He OWNED Chet and Hartenstein in the games Indy won, particularly on the defensive end.

He's a flawed player but he's certainly far better than Horford. Just look at the success he had against MIL and Cle, two teams that had to play big. With his shooting and rim protection, he'd be an awesome defensive big next to a great defensive QB like dray. I wouldn't have moved dray for him but pairing those two would have been amazing. The argument that we already had the #1 defense post jimmy trade and should look for shot creation and 3pt shooting instead of giving up moody and buddy does make sense. @ 26M/yr, it's a great contract for MIL, as well.

Turner played 40 + minutes once the entire playoff run. He was getting less minutes against the knicks and the thunder as those series were ending. Against Cle he played under 26 minutes twice. He's a rotation big, which is what Horford is. Maybe he's better but it's not by much and definitely not worth waiving draymond for.
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Re: Warriors Free Agency 2025 

Post#180 » by Chris Porter's Hair » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:50 pm

Given the way the tides have turned, I'd cross my fingers that we might be able to get Ayton and Horford. Not that I'm a huge fan of either, but I think it would put us in a far stronger position at C than we are now, and we might actually be able to do it, even given our lack of cap flexibility. The Ayton buyout opens up an opportunity that wouldn't normally be there.

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