The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[garrick]

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So Ayton to the lakers probably

That's baffling Indy didn't want to resign Turner long term after making it to the finals.

Are they really that desperate to stay under the 1st apron?

[TeamTragic]

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So Ayton to the lakers probably

That's baffling Indy didn't want to resign Turner long term after making it to the finals.

Are they really that desperate to stay under the 1st apron?

Yes. Also now they can sign Ayton on the cheap.

[starbosa10]

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So Ayton to the lakers probably

That's baffling Indy didn't want to resign Turner long term after making it to the finals.

Are they really that desperate to stay under the 1st apron?

Im guessing the hali Achilles changed everything. They probably would've gone into the apron to run it back but with no Hali next year they probably didn't want to go into the apron on a cooked year

[starbosa10]

Bucks waive and stretching dame

[BobbieL]

Dame was stretched and waived

the dream has died

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I truly would be okay if Beal is waived - just not stretched

[Frank Lee]

Competition is one thing…. Respect is another.

Plus we have so little to offer and with each signing our opportunities diminish. If anything, we are trying to dump talent disguised as salary.

Sorry for the dark cloud, but yall need to look at the weather forecast

Frank are we going to be making the playoffs next year or even the playin not likely.

Have we had some bad luck and are going to be hamstrung because we trade most of our draft capital away for players who really didnt make us a better team? Yes

Honestly since the Durant trade to the Suns I havent cared about this team. I didnt watch a single full game this year, but I will say this I am much more likely to watch a game this upcoming year. Why? it appears that the Suns are trying to build a team with an identity. Run and gun Suns, Barkley Suns, 7 seconds or less Suns, what do all of these have in common? they had an identity. Talent isnt the only answer as we have just seen. Without having a vision of what you want to do we get the 24-25 Suns. So looking at the what the front office has done in the last month it is clear that they are really trying to build something that will have an identity.

I agree with you Waylay…. I’m just saying that having perhaps the most brash arrogant delusional owner as we do, other teams will look to screw us even more. We essentially have no leverage in any deal moving forward anyways… yet you see here all these deals that aren’t likely to happen… and certainly not just for emptying salary. The ‘and then we trade Allen and then we trade O’Neal’ thoughts are borderline fantasy. The league is chock full of chuckers. And the teams perhaps needing them have already made moves (see Orlando)

It’s hard to temper this crowd.


PS… being perhaps the sole pro stretch Beal-er…. I am watching Yabusel. He’ll take the full MLE. I’m not sure the math works anymore tho. What a mess. But hey… we got that other dude from Europe so who really cares at this point.

[starbosa10]

Competition is one thing…. Respect is another.

Plus we have so little to offer and with each signing our opportunities diminish. If anything, we are trying to dump talent disguised as salary.

Sorry for the dark cloud, but yall need to look at the weather forecast

Frank are we going to be making the playoffs next year or even the playin not likely.

Have we had some bad luck and are going to be hamstrung because we trade most of our draft capital away for players who really didnt make us a better team? Yes

Honestly since the Durant trade to the Suns I havent cared about this team. I didnt watch a single full game this year, but I will say this I am much more likely to watch a game this upcoming year. Why? it appears that the Suns are trying to build a team with an identity. Run and gun Suns, Barkley Suns, 7 seconds or less Suns, what do all of these have in common? they had an identity. Talent isnt the only answer as we have just seen. Without having a vision of what you want to do we get the 24-25 Suns. So looking at the what the front office has done in the last month it is clear that they are really trying to build something that will have an identity.

I agree with you Waylay…. I’m just saying that having perhaps the most brash arrogant delusional owner as we do, other teams will look to screw us even more. We essentially have no leverage in any deal moving forward anyways… yet you see here all these deals that aren’t likely to happen… and certainly not just for emptying salary. The ‘and then we trade Allen and then we trade O’Neal’ thoughts are borderline fantasy. The league is chock full of chuckers. And the teams perhaps needing them have already made moves (see Orlando)

It’s hard to temper this crowd.


PS… being perhaps the sole pro stretch Beal-er…. I am watching Yabusel. He’ll take the full MLE. I’m not sure the math works anymore tho. What a mess. But hey… we got that other dude from Europe so who really cares at this point.

Yabusele signed with the Knicks 20 minutes ago 2/12m

[garrick]

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So Ayton to the lakers probably

That's baffling Indy didn't want to resign Turner long term after making it to the finals.

Are they really that desperate to stay under the 1st apron?

Im guessing the hali Achilles changed everything. They probably would've gone into the apron to run it back but with no Hali next year they probably didn't want to go into the apron on a cooked year

Seems so shortsighted though.

In other news Dame was waived and stretched so maybe this is something we can do next season with Beal's expiring? I don't hold out any hope we can convince Beal to waive his NTC and his price tag is just too high for any team to entertain any thoughts of trading for him.

[darealjuice]

Wow Dame waived and stretched to pick up Myles Turner

[WeekapaugGroove]

Had the Suns not traded for KD I think they would have traded for Dame that next summer. So hey it actually could have been worse

[TeamTragic]

Knicks now in the second tax apron with the Yabusele deal.

Definitely ready to watch that trainwreck.

[starbosa10]

22.5m dead cap for 5 years is crazy but when you have to do everything you can to keep giannis it makes sense

[TeamTragic]

22.5m dead cap for 5 years is crazy but when you have to do everything you can to keep giannis it makes sense

If this doesn't work out for the Bucks.

YIKES

[matt131]

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So what are we thinking? Hachimura and Reaves plus two, no one, second round pick for Giannis.

[dremill24]

Pacers are such a disappointment...

[SkyBill40]

Dame was stretched and waived

the dream has died

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I truly would be okay if Beal is waived - just not stretched

I don't think we could function as a team with that much immediate dead money on our books. Not under the apron, anyway.

[BobbieL]

22.5m dead cap for 5 years is crazy but when you have to do everything you can to keep giannis it makes sense

Which is exactly why the Suns should NOT stretch and waive Beal, even if he were to agree -- because they are rebuilding. Take the cap space when you might need it

Yabusele just signed for 20/2 - -so the MLE - would that guy really have changed the win total by more than a game or 2

I get why the Bucks did it --- but hopefully Ishbia is being more pragmatic

[BobbieL]

Dame was stretched and waived

the dream has died

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I truly would be okay if Beal is waived - just not stretched

I don't think we could function as a team with that much immediate dead money on our books. Not under the apron, anyway.

Keith Smith responded to me last week. And yes, the Suns can take his $110m and waive him outright - or they could buy him out for a figure lower than 110 -- but he wouldn't be stretched. Just waived and bought out

And think about it - if Beal were to accept 95m of the 110 - that would be 7.5m towards the apron level this year
add in Richards, add in O'Neale &/or Allen - might be enough

[Saberestar]

Wow Dame waived and stretched to pick up Myles Turner

I am pretty sure that the Suns would have done the same with Beal if not for that dead money from Nassir Little.

Ayton, Clarkson, Cole Anthony, Lillard...the list goes on and on.

We will see if there are some Beal news today or tomorrow.

[SkyBill40]

Wow Dame waived and stretched to pick up Myles Turner

I am pretty sure that the Suns would have done the same with Beal if not for that dead money from Nassir Little.

Ayton, Clarkson, Cole Anthony, Lillard...the list goes on and on.

We will see if there are some Beal news today or tomorrow.

Yeah. They were stupid about that one. Would have been cleaner to just cut him and eat the salary.