Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

[NecessaryEvil]

Miami beat writers have downplayed the Kuminga interest. If true, Kuminga will likely be a Bull, assuming that the interest from Chicago is also true.

They also may just keep him.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Miami beat writers have downplayed the Kuminga interest. If true, Kuminga will likely be a Bull, assuming that the interest from Chicago is also true.

They also may just keep him.

Very possible.

[Clint Eastwood]

What would a S+T of Vuc and Ayo for Kuminga look like? What would be Kuminga salary? I think this might be a pair of players that could benefit GS and have been rumored to be on the block for Bulls. Makes the most sense if the money makes sense.

[Peelboy]

What would a S+T of Vuc and Ayo for Kuminga look like? What would be Kuminga salary? I think this might be a pair of players that could benefit GS and have been rumored to be on the block for Bulls. Makes the most sense if the money makes sense.

Straight swap works under Spotrac machine. Ayo into 8.8TPE, Kuminga at 26-30m per.

Not a big fan, but Giddey and JK at 26 each w Coby, Matas, Noa, Tre isn’t a bad set of young talent. And while I think PW is a waste, he’s also young.

[Bulldog23]

Not a fan of trading for Kuminga. I don't view him as a two way player.

[Chi town]

There is no room for Kuminga unless Pat is being traded.

Dubs would rather just have the cap space.

[boozapalooza]

Given GS need at C and they can only take back half of Kuminga’s salary in a S&T, how about using Jalen Smith’s 9M contract? Jalen and Julian Phillips adds to 11.2M, we give Kuminga 22.4M/year. GS gets a backup C and solid young 3&D wing in Julian. Would hinge on Kuminga being willing to take a $22M contract.

[nomorezorro]

a week ago i would say it would be hard to get too worked up about kuminga on a ~$20m contract, but given the direction these contracts are headed in, i still wouldn't want to go beyond like...3 years at that price point? and even that i don't feel great about

just not an environment i would want to be handing out risky long-term deals in. too easy to imagine them turning into albatrosses now

[Clint Eastwood]

I want kuminga. Our team is cheeks. I have zero faith that the now extended AK is capable of making smart decisions and building a championship contender from a plan of his own mind. We have no chance at competing with all of the teams that have built great rosters with depth and future assets. So acquire as many young lottery tickets as possible and pray. And this team is boring, so change for change sake at least would cause me to actually watch them this season which I am dangerously close to not doing for the first time in 40 years.

Im good with Matas, Essengue, Kuminga as lottery tickets with Coby and Giddey looking like solid possible all star caliber players. These 5 players with some solid rotational depth we already have like Huerter, Collins, Jones works fine for me at this point.

[Repeat 3-peat]

Seems like most of the interest level around Kuminga was agent talk. We'll see.

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[ThreeMileAllan]

Can someone explain why the Base Year Compensation rule exists?

I don't understand the thinking behind implementing it.

[GoBlue72391]

I hope this thread dies because I want nothing to do with Kuminga.

[GoBlue72391]

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

Isn’t Essengue more of a 4 or even 5? At 18 he could still grow taller. He’s already 6’10”. He needs to add weight. I don’t see him overlapping with Kuminga who is a 3 and can play the 2 and 4. Also Kuminga shot 40% from 3 in the playoffs when he actually got playing time after Curry got hurt. You can’t keep spots open for unproven raw players. The Bulls need to acquire as much talent as they can right now.

He is not a 5 at all. Plays nothing like a 5.

Right now he plays almost exactly like a 5, we just hope he can develop into a 4/3 because that's where his value lies.

Him becoming a 5 is a decent fallback plan though if he never develops into the PF/SF like we're all hoping.

[GoBlue72391]

Isn’t Essengue more of a 4 or even 5? At 18 he could still grow taller. He’s already 6’10”. He needs to add weight. I don’t see him overlapping with Kuminga who is a 3 and can play the 2 and 4. Also Kuminga shot 40% from 3 in the playoffs when he actually got playing time after Curry got hurt. You can’t keep spots open for unproven raw players. The Bulls need to acquire as much talent as they can right now.

He is not a 5 at all. Plays nothing like a 5.

Yes, he plays like 3 or 4 for now.. long athletic wing!

BUT we have seen multiple times that NBA execs and management f.... up players with wrong development plans, PWill best case lately with Bulls! I could easily see especially Billy D looking at Noa, seeing tall skinny dude and he wants to add some muscle on him and play him at 5, because you know.. he is tall enough!

If Noa can adjust and build up to play athletic 5, wouldnt be that bad.. If Holmgren can play center,so could Essengue. But at the moment we seen him more as Giannis from Temu option hehe, athletic four.

I always said I see Buzelis more as natural fit at 4, because of defensive instincts,. We shall see what Bulls see in their plans going forward. I dont want to see Matas bulk up and playing center, ever never, thats for sure, 1000% no!

How does he play like a 3/4 and not a 5 right now?

Hopefully in the future he'll expand his game to that of a 3/4, but right now his offense is very similar to that of a non-shooting big man.

He can't dribble or shoot. His offense comes almost entirely off lobs, put backs, clean ups, dump offs, simple cuts, and the occasional straight line drive and transition push. Defensively his biggest asset is his shot blocking.

That's literally a 5 lol.

I know we're not going to play him at the 5 and the hope is he'll eventually develop a shot and a handle so he can become a tall, athletic, versatile, switchable jumbo wing, but right now he's basically a 5 playing wing.

And as I said, if he never develops a shot/handle, then an eventual move to the 5 down the line is not a bad fall back plan.

[MrSparkle]

Can someone explain why the Base Year Compensation rule exists?

I don't understand the thinking behind implementing it.

Maybe to give rich/over-the-cap teams less leverage when acquiring new RFAs?

(Forces them to add 2x the cap hit for S&T’ing for a RFA).

But I dunno. It also hampers the RFA’s original team’s trade options.

I don’t get it, myself.

[TheJordanRule]

Can someone explain why the Base Year Compensation rule exists?

I don't understand the thinking behind implementing it.

Maybe to give rich/over-the-cap teams less leverage when acquiring new RFAs?

(Forces them to add 2x the cap hit for S&T’ing for a RFA).

But I dunno. It also hampers the RFA’s original team’s trade options.

I don’t get it, myself.

I don't mind its existence since it makes a Coby for Kuminga swap possible. Then let's swap Pat for picks. 3 second rounders, anyone?

[Indomitable]

Can someone explain why the Base Year Compensation rule exists?

I don't understand the thinking behind implementing it.

Stops the ability for players and rival team from manipulating the CBA.

[WindyCityBorn]

Isn’t Essengue more of a 4 or even 5? At 18 he could still grow taller. He’s already 6’10”. He needs to add weight. I don’t see him overlapping with Kuminga who is a 3 and can play the 2 and 4. Also Kuminga shot 40% from 3 in the playoffs when he actually got playing time after Curry got hurt. You can’t keep spots open for unproven raw players. The Bulls need to acquire as much talent as they can right now.

He is not a 5 at all. Plays nothing like a 5.

Right now he plays almost exactly like a 5, we just hope he can develop into a 4/3 because that's where his value lies.

Him becoming a 5 is a decent fallback plan though if he never develops into the PF/SF like we're all hoping.

I don’t know what tape you watched if you think he plays like 5.

[GoBlue72391]

He is not a 5 at all. Plays nothing like a 5.

Right now he plays almost exactly like a 5, we just hope he can develop into a 4/3 because that's where his value lies.

Him becoming a 5 is a decent fallback plan though if he never develops into the PF/SF like we're all hoping.

I don’t know what tape you watched if you think he plays like 5.

I've watched a ton of his videos since we drafted him. Tell me, what PF/SF in this league is not a threat to shoot or put the ball on the floor in the year 2025? What PF/SF in the year 2025 plays like this?

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We're going to play him as a PF/SF and hope he eventually develops the skills for that, but right now his game is that of a non-shooting big playing wing. Just name me some PF/SFs who play like that.

[burlydee]

Once the free agent market settles down and teams start to take stock of what limited options are available, I think we will see a resolution of this Kuminga / GS standoff with hopefully Kuminga coming to Chicago. Just not a lot of downside imo from a Bulls perspective and a ton of upside. There's a world where you build Giddey, Coby, Kuminga, Matas and Essengue into these attractive assets where you can win with or consolidate into a more valuable piece. I think the Bulls are in the asset collection business and if they can get an asset they should jump at the opportunity.

There is a lot of posturing coming from GS and the Kuminga camp but I think the bottom line is if GS can't sign a center or a guard defender than the Bulls trade pieces of Vuc and Ayo start to look more attractive.

I personally believe a Bulls lineup with Kuminga has the chance to really pop.

Giddey / Jones / Carter
Coby / Huerter / Terry
Kuminga / Okoro / Phillips
Matas / PWill / Essengue
Collins / Smith

Lineup is big, fast and physical and potentially deep. I think it makes a ton of sense.