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Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#421 » by celticgreenie » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:41 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Give Al a no trade clause and tell him he'll have his number retired if he finishes his career here. Freak him out that if he signs with more money on another team they might have to use his salary in a trade to make the hard cap rules work for them in a midseason deal. Those are all the stops they have to pull out to convince him to stay.


Al is more deserving of a no trade clause than Luke.
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Post#422 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:42 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Give Al a no trade clause and tell him he'll have his number retired if he finishes his career here. Freak him out that if he signs with more money on another team they might have to use his salary in a trade to make the hard cap rules work for them in a midseason deal. Those are all the stops they have to pull out to convince him to stay.


Al shouldn't have his # retired here and the C's shouldn't try arm-twisting him about anything.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#423 » by The Corey's » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:46 pm

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hugepatsfan wrote:Give Al a no trade clause and tell him he'll have his number retired if he finishes his career here. Freak him out that if he signs with more money on another team they might have to use his salary in a trade to make the hard cap rules work for them in a midseason deal. Those are all the stops they have to pull out to convince him to stay.


Al shouldn't have his # retired here and the C's shouldn't try arm-twisting him about anything.


Some of these people forget the last time he bailed on the Celtics and left us high and dry.

He deserves to chase a ring somewhere else because its not happening this season with the Celtics.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#424 » by tfribs45 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:55 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:Duncan Robinson just got $16M/yr, for all these clowns wanting to get rid of Hauser who makes only $10M and is a far superior player (and just about to hit his prime). He’s a piece you want to keep when JT gets back from injury


That’s a stretch, Hausers been average at best especially last season. Rather give Rico his minutes all day!! Duncan’s def getting overpaid
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#425 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:00 am

Celtics should prep for their next championship run in 2040. Brad is doing just fine in that regard.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#426 » by jfs1000d » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:05 am

Should just waive and stretch Simons.


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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#427 » by celtxman » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:06 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics have identified three players they want to retool around in Tatum, Brown and White and next year will be a bridge year. Stevens is all about finding players this year and beyond and setting up for next off-season to complete the retool. Don't know why this is so hard to understand.


You're right, but there's legitimate debate about whether you can build a title team around those guys at those salaries at those ages (not that they're old but we'll move past White peak years here in relatively short order). Especially with the CBA.

SGA, Booker are going to sign for $70+ million a year. It's a NBA problem. Celtics are actually in good shape with Tatum, Brown and White because they got ahead of it.

The increase in the salary cap isn't enough to cover the increase in salaries.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#428 » by 165bows » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:13 am

hugepatsfan wrote:Right now they're $331,539 above the 2nd apron and $20,260,539 above the tax. That's with 15 players signed. They only need 14.

They might not duck the tax this year but they should give themselves options to. Therefore, I expect Hauser to be moved next. It's just too risky to keep him on a 4 year deal. I hate to speak of bad things, but imagine a world where he pops his knee in November. That becomes an albatross 4 year term to move at the deadline if he's hurt like that. Too, too risky.

If they dump Hauser they're back down to the required 14 players and $10,215,896 above the luxury tax. At that point, if they do want to duck the tax midyear, it's as "simple" as dumping Niang and 2 minimum/rookie contract players and then replacing those 3 guys with pro rated minimum salaries for whoever the 2-way guys are (presumably the 2 rookies and Peterson). I hesitate to call dumping 3 players "simple" but Niang on an $8.2M deal is usually fine to move at the deadline and then the rookie/minimum deals are usually easy enough too.

I think it's important to give themselves an avenue to duck the tax without NEEDING to touch the Simons deal. That's a big number to move in this league where everyone ends up hard capped at some threshold. Hauser would have to go if they keep Simons and duck the tax, and on a 4 year deal too much risk to carry into the year.

Hmm I think this is a very valuable and insightful post and hadn’t thought of this particular avenue. Though I’ve been seeing lately just how difficult it would be to trade Simons if that’s what they decide to do, assuming the point is to get the requisite savings.

Otoh I am going to be formally issuing demerits to those posters who mistakenly use the phrase “dump Hauser”
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Post#429 » by The Corey's » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:23 am

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

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Post#430 » by return2glory » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:25 am

This team is so different than last year's team. For the moment it looks like we went from champs in 2024 to trying to be champs of the G-League.

That's what it kind of looks like. But, wait for 2026-2027 with a healthy Tatum.


C:
PF: Tatum
SF: Brown
SG:
PG: White

Brad is thinking who can fill those two spots a year from now. What center can he trade for? Maybe Queta/Williams and Garza will be enough. Who can he get to start at SG? I think that's the key position. Will Hugo be that guy a year from now if he can improve his 3 point shooting? Will Baylor surprise people and step up in that role?

The goal is for this team to be a title contender a year from now. That's the vision. With a few key moves in the center and SG positions, that can happen.

This is the season to get guys like Hugo, Baylor, Queta, Williams, and Minott a lot of reps.
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Post#431 » by celticgreenie » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:33 am

It's just hard for me to envision Al leaving for the Warriors. Curry I get but Butler and Green don't seem like his kind of people to play with. Put it to you this way, do we think there's hidden footage of Al sucker punching some young player during a practice?
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Post#432 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:36 am

The thing about the Grousbeck/Pags Basketball Partners ownership was that if they wanted to pay the tax they didn't need to ask anybody, they just paid the tax.
This new ownership group is almost 20% owned by PE firm 6th St Partners, and I have no clue what authority 6th St has over going into the tax. Does 6th St or the other large external investor, an Asian business man or heir or someone i'd not hear of, but like what veto vote or voting rights do these large outside investors exert over the salary cap sheet?

Because I really do not know.
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Post#433 » by phincsfan » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:38 am

I’m a big Sam fan but I say move him for a future 1st and sign Drew to a deal. Pritchard’s more valuable and 3mil cheaper.

Have a platoon of Rico, Drew and Hugo
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#434 » by phincsfan » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:41 am

celticgreenie wrote:It's just hard for me to envision Al leaving for the Warriors. Curry I get but Butler and Green don't seem like his kind of people to play with. Put it to you this way, do we think there's hidden footage of Al sucker punching some young player during a practice?


Al’s living the life. He seems like all the moving around doesn’t faze him. His family travels all over with him.
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Post#435 » by celticgreenie » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:43 am

phincsfan wrote:
celticgreenie wrote:It's just hard for me to envision Al leaving for the Warriors. Curry I get but Butler and Green don't seem like his kind of people to play with. Put it to you this way, do we think there's hidden footage of Al sucker punching some young player during a practice?


Al’s living the life. He seems like all the moving around doesn’t faze him. His family travels all over with him.


Not referring to moving around. I'm referring to the teammates he's playing with. The Celtics locker room has been a good one where players feel good about bringing their kids around.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#436 » by chrisab123 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:47 am

cloverleaf wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:Give Al a no trade clause and tell him he'll have his number retired if he finishes his career here. Freak him out that if he signs with more money on another team they might have to use his salary in a trade to make the hard cap rules work for them in a midseason deal. Those are all the stops they have to pull out to convince him to stay.


Al shouldn't have his # retired here and the C's shouldn't try arm-twisting him about anything.


IMO he should. He’s a hall of famer who will be remembered most for his time in Boston. That kind of fits the requirement.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#437 » by 31to6 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:48 am

It’s small potatoes, but one thing I don’t quite get is the love some have on this board for Drew Peterson. I mean, he might make the league, but he’s maybe 6th on our wing depth chart? JB, Sam, Baylor, Hugo, Minott, then Drew or Walsh or Max Shulga — it doesn’t seem to matter much.

I propose we use this as a wedge issue to irrevocably drive the board apart.

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Post#438 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:53 am

lol ...
I actually like Jordan Walsh better

Drew Peterson is like an hour long 80s television drama, like an episode of Magnum PI or A-Team or Matlock... its kind of filler programming, it' gets the job done but after you watch it, it doesn't stay with you
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31to6 wrote:It’s small potatoes, but one thing I don’t quite get is the love some have on this board for Drew Peterson. I mean, he might make the league, but he’s maybe 6th on our wing depth chart? JB, Sam, Baylor, Hugo, Minott, then Drew or Walsh or Max Shulga — it doesn’t seem to matter much.

I propose we use this as a wedge issue to irrevocably drive the board apart.

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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#439 » by celtxman » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:53 am

jfs1000d wrote:And to get on those who don't like what Brad is doing…i just think staying above apron is dumb basketball management.

The owners wanted this stupid system, brad just living in it.


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I think Brad will squeeze everything he can out of this situation, including legitimately trying for another championship run.
Staying above the 2nd apron is situational. It was the right decision for the Celtics to be in the 2nd apron this past season. If KP and JT were healthy, I believe the Celtics win in all. Many disregard the effect of a healthy KP in the Knicks series, because of how the Celtics lost those first two games. But since they did get injured it opens up a whole new set of circumstances.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#440 » by The Corey's » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:54 am

Someone wanna explain to me why the Bulls have 14k more threads than we do?

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