Shams: Minott to BOS

[GopherIt!]

Why are we getting all the Minnesota rejects

I like the Garza pick up. Why not take a chance on Minott during a lost season?

A pair of cheap fliers.

[Neeva]

Minott supposedly was impressive in practice but didn’t show much during games (the few times he got in)

[schaffy]

Garza is a mascot who I was glad we got rid of. He went in for 2 minutes to end a half and got scored on literally every single possession with defense that went way beyond bad. He was actually setting screens for ball handlers he was so inept. Minott on the other hand is a legit 9th man on a good rotation. Our coach had beef with him and played a lot of mind games to undermine his confidence and then benched him when he started to struggle. To be fair Finch did this to Dillingham, Clark, Shannon, and Miller (though he played Garza over Miller,) which is why some Wolves fans want Finch fired. I think if your coach gives Minott a fair shake you will be pleasantly surprised.

Yeah, this is just incorrect.

Minott is a guy who cannot or does not play defence. He's too upright so constantly gets beaten 1 on 1, and his awareness in a team setting is low if not non-existent. This was true back when he was playing in the G League as well so its not just an NBA thing. For a guy as athletic as he is it's unacceptable. And this is the main reason he wasn't able to get consistent minutes for the Wolves; he got them early in the season but the defence just wasn't there, and that's the requirement for a guy like him on the Wolves these days.

The offence, or specifically the shooting, took a step forward this season. And he's a decent finisher all things considered, so that's a plus. His screens aren't great though and his handle is nothing to write home about.

Your hope is that he probably becomes something like a less athletic Obi Toppin. Just someone that can finish plays and hit 3s every once in a while. And I'm sure he'll be capable of putting up numbers in a bigger role, but I'm also sure he won't be contributing to winning while doing so.

Fun fact, Minott’s defensive woes began in earnest after he lost his rotation spot to Dilly when the ankle healed. His plus minus and overall game impact was good before that. The loss of minutes followed by half rotations and constant benching (usually after one mistake,) was what undermined him. Time will tell who is right, assuming Minott even gets on the court for Boston.

His defensive woes began after he was drafted, before Rob was even playing for overtime elite.

He'll make an exciting play every once in a while on offense, but he's got no clue what's going on defensively and isn't an overly sound offensive player yet either. Best of luck to him in Boston. But there's a reason he ended the year behind tsj and Clark.

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[Chuck Everett]

Scrubino. He's not going to do anything in Boston.

[Mamba4Goat]

Yeah, this is just incorrect.

Minott is a guy who cannot or does not play defence. He's too upright so constantly gets beaten 1 on 1, and his awareness in a team setting is low if not non-existent. This was true back when he was playing in the G League as well so its not just an NBA thing. For a guy as athletic as he is it's unacceptable. And this is the main reason he wasn't able to get consistent minutes for the Wolves; he got them early in the season but the defence just wasn't there, and that's the requirement for a guy like him on the Wolves these days.

The offence, or specifically the shooting, took a step forward this season. And he's a decent finisher all things considered, so that's a plus. His screens aren't great though and his handle is nothing to write home about.

Your hope is that he probably becomes something like a less athletic Obi Toppin. Just someone that can finish plays and hit 3s every once in a while. And I'm sure he'll be capable of putting up numbers in a bigger role, but I'm also sure he won't be contributing to winning while doing so.

Fun fact, Minott’s defensive woes began in earnest after he lost his rotation spot to Dilly when the ankle healed. His plus minus and overall game impact was good before that. The loss of minutes followed by half rotations and constant benching (usually after one mistake,) was what undermined him. Time will tell who is right, assuming Minott even gets on the court for Boston.

His defensive woes began after he was drafted, before Rob was even playing for overtime elite.

He'll make an exciting play every once in a while on offense, but he's got no clue what's going on defensively and isn't an overly sound offensive player yet either. Best of luck to him in Boston. But there's a reason he ended the year behind tsj and Clark.

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This just isn’t the case. He’d miss a rotation or two here and there, especially once Finch started pulling him immediately after but otherwise he grew considerably as a POA defender and he’s a solid help defender. I watched a ton of his Iowa games and usually came away impressed with his defense. Calling his defense his issue is so far from the truth.

[JimmyPlopper]

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[JimmyPlopper]

Derrick White / Payton Pritchard / J.D Davison
Anfernee Simons / Baylor Scheierman / Max Shulga
Jaylen Brown / Josh Minott / Hugo Gonzalez
Sam Hauser / Georges Niang / Jordan Walsh
Neemias Queta / Xavier Tillman / Luke Garza

[Michaellam1987]

I actually saw some intriguing stuff there, good small ball 5 for short spurts.

Huh? When did you see him playing the 5?

He's a 3/4 combo forward that isn't particularly bulky. Short of matching up with another team going micro small I can't see him having much success as a 5.

Don't really remember, I don't follow the Wolves, maybe against the Lakers? That's my memory of him..

Never be suspicious on MIN fans on their comments on the former MIN players. MIN still have roster space to fill in, yet they still give up on Minott and Garza, there must be some logic underneath. IMO, I also cant understand what BOS is doing, as there are sill some better choice in the FA market for minimum salary.

[jpatrick]

Huh? When did you see him playing the 5?

He's a 3/4 combo forward that isn't particularly bulky. Short of matching up with another team going micro small I can't see him having much success as a 5.

Don't really remember, I don't follow the Wolves, maybe against the Lakers? That's my memory of him..

Never be suspicious on MIN fans on their comments on the former MIN players. MIN still have roster space to fill in, yet they still give up on Minott and Garza, there must be some logic underneath. IMO, I also cant understand what BOS is doing, as there are sill some better choice in the FA market for minimum salary.

Garza is what Garza is. 12th man. Can go in a couple times per year and not embarrass himself. But if he’s in your rotation, you’re a bad team.

Minott is a big, long athlete. He should be great defensively but he’s not at this point. I’d guess due to a combination of low BBIQ at this point and some confidence issues, as his minutes were sporadic and he was yanked with any kind of mistake. He’s definitely worth a flier and I think Minnesota would have kept him, but he’s asked for us to let him go, so he could go somewhere where he could get regular playing time.

[shrink]

Huh? When did you see him playing the 5?

He's a 3/4 combo forward that isn't particularly bulky. Short of matching up with another team going micro small I can't see him having much success as a 5.

Don't really remember, I don't follow the Wolves, maybe against the Lakers? That's my memory of him..

Never be suspicious on MIN fans on their comments on the former MIN players. MIN still have roster space to fill in, yet they still give up on Minott and Garza, there must be some logic underneath. IMO, I also cant understand what BOS is doing, as there are sill some better choice in the FA market for minimum salary.

MIN needed the roster space to address their need for a PG and a back up center.

Josh Minott lost his job, not because Chris Finch had a problem with him, but because he couldn’t stay in the team concept on defense. The guy who took his place, Jaylen Clark, didn’t have Minott’s upside, but he didn’t make mistakes either. Minott didn’t take it well, and at one point, tweeted from the bench during a live game! He has intriguing upside with his athleticism, but is kind of a “cause chaos” type of player. He asked the Wolves to not pick up his option so that he could try to establish an NBA a career elsewhere. He has NBA potential, and is worth a BOS flier, if they can get his head on straight.

Garza is the anti-Minott, and I’ll miss him. Born into a basketball family, they used a VCR to teach him every low post move of all the great big men, starting at 8 years old. This allowed him to be two time NCAA College Player of the Year, and ridiculously dominate the G-League (36.7 PPG!), a place that could teach him nothing. In the NBA, he works ridiculously hard, and was always the first player off the bench to congratulate the starters after a good play. Great, unselfish teammate that is easily an NBA scorer. Unfortunately for Garza, he lacks NBA athleticism - by a wide margin. He pushes himself, but he is not quick enough to defend anyone. Last off-season he was doing three-a-day workouts with his father and transformed his body to be lighter, but he was just born too slow for the NBA. It’s a tragedy for a good guy that works so hard.

[hugepatsfan]

Celtics right now have 15 NBA players:

Derrick White / Payton Pritchard / JD Davison
Anfernee Simons / Bailor Scheierman / Hugo Gonzalez
Jaylen Brown / Sam Hauser / Jordan Walsh
Georges Niang / Josh Minott / (Jayson Tatum - injured)
Neemias Queta / Luka Garza / Xavier Tillman

Their two-way guys are probably their 2 2nd rounders (SG Max Shulga, C Amari Williams) and F Drew Peterson (played some last year).

My guess is they end up ducking the tax midyear. To start right now though, they go back to 14 players now by either waiving Davison (non guaranteed) or Walsh (only $200K guaranteed). Then, midway through the year, they salary dump Hauser, Niang and Tillman and replace them with prorated minimum deals for their 3 2-way guys and they scrape by under the tax. Waiting until midyear to dump them is key though because then you only have the pro rated number in your tax calc.

It also wouldn't surprise me if they moved Hauser now because it's just risky to move a 4 year deal at the deadline. Right now it looks easy enough to move, but if he gets hurt or is having a bad year then it could flip drastically. Too much risk to carry into the year, IMO, so I'd move him now. That means in the same scenario above, you keep Davison and Walsh for the year. You do still need to dump 3 guys midseason though so above I had ii as Hauser/Niang/Tillman. Niang has to be one of them, but the other two could be any players really.

I think they'd prefer to move Simons, but I'm forecasting that it will be too difficult to do at his number. And I actually do think there's some decent potential there to at least get a look at.

[schaffy]

Fun fact, Minott’s defensive woes began in earnest after he lost his rotation spot to Dilly when the ankle healed. His plus minus and overall game impact was good before that. The loss of minutes followed by half rotations and constant benching (usually after one mistake,) was what undermined him. Time will tell who is right, assuming Minott even gets on the court for Boston.

His defensive woes began after he was drafted, before Rob was even playing for overtime elite.

He'll make an exciting play every once in a while on offense, but he's got no clue what's going on defensively and isn't an overly sound offensive player yet either. Best of luck to him in Boston. But there's a reason he ended the year behind tsj and Clark.

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This just isn’t the case. He’d miss a rotation or two here and there, especially once Finch started pulling him immediately after but otherwise he grew considerably as a POA defender and he’s a solid help defender. I watched a ton of his Iowa games and usually came away impressed with his defense. Calling his defense his issue is so far from the truth.

If it wasnt his defense, then what was the reason he fell behind the other 2 young wings in the rotation by the end of the year? His continued 33% 3pt shot? They didnt like his high dribble? They didnt like his shoes? Or the coaching staff didnt trust him out there to be in the right spots or play to the gameplan?

And we apparently disagree on his off-ball defense. He missed rotations quite a bit and wasn't where his teammates expected him to be. He'd gamble on the help and pick up some steals but just as often he'd then be way out of position if he didn't get it. I will give you that as a POA defender he did a decent job of using his length, though he still struggled with quickness.

[BK_2020]

Sounds like a slightly quicker, less strong Jaylen Brown on defense. That's just awful. What is this guy doing on the team?

[Der_K]

I’ll note that advanced metrics regard him as a plus defender in both his (limited) NBA and G-League time… I like him on that end more than I do on offense.
He’s a disruptive defender at the three and four, but will miss rotations and makes mistakes. For some coaches / in some systems, that’s disqualifying. Personally, I can live with it. He’s an energy guy who you hope develops into more…
On offense, I’m a little bearish. Decent scorer with okay efficiency but doesn’t have a niche that gives him tactical use (not a playmaker, not a spacer, not a great cutter, etc…).

The best thing for him would be to be on a bad team, be given minutes, and let him demonstrate more definitively what he can or can’t do on an NBA floor. As a fan of a different NBA team, I wanted us to sign him.

[brackdan70]

T-Wolves have any more cast off for Boston?

[schaffy]

T-Wolves have any more cast off for Boston?

Bones Hyland or Tristen Newton do anything for ya?

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[jscott]

Why are we getting all the Minnesota rejects

Garza is a mascot who I was glad we got rid of. He went in for 2 minutes to end a half and got scored on literally every single possession with defense that went way beyond bad. He was actually setting screens for ball handlers he was so inept. Minott on the other hand is a legit 9th man on a good rotation. Our coach had beef with him and played a lot of mind games to undermine his confidence and then benched him when he started to struggle. To be fair Finch did this to Dillingham, Clark, Shannon, and Miller (though he played Garza over Miller,) which is why some Wolves fans want Finch fired. I think if your coach gives Minott a fair shake you will be pleasantly surprised.

Umm, no, dude. Minott can’t follow a gameplan. His only redeeming skill is his athleticism.

[brackdan70]

T-Wolves have any more cast off for Boston?

Bones Hyland or Tristen Newton do anything for ya?

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Mmmm . No