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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#361 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:09 pm

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Leon Rose, the man who brought you 5 picks and Grimes for KCP.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you four-year deal worth up to $78 million for Evan Fournier.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you 2 years of guaranteed Kemba Walker.
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Leon Rose, the man who signed R_ Barret to a 4 year $120 million extension and then had to add assets to dump him.

Replacing a re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach, with another re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach.


Add assets to dump RJ? He was combined with IQ for OG and no picks included.

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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#362 » by Context » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:09 pm

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Context wrote:This is not about Stephen A. Some good info on Brown and how he defers from Thibs.


This is actually great. You’re right, it’s not about SAS. Starts with Windy. When SAS talks, he’s not doing his shtick at all. Just straight analysis. He’s at his very best here- rare as that is!

I never knew Mike Brown was more accomplished than Thibs. I just ran with the negative rep I was hearing about Brown. The first thing that jumps off to me is his open-mindedness. I also like that he's 55 and has won 4 chips as an assistant. I like that he will be motivated to win his first chip as a coach. He also had the #1 defense and #1 offense in his careers. He's coached Lebron and Kobe and has worked with Pop and Kerr.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#363 » by Enzo954 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:10 pm

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Leon Rose, the man who brought you 5 picks and Grimes for KCP.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you four-year deal worth up to $78 million for Evan Fournier.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you 2 years of guaranteed Kemba Walker.
Leon Rose who traded the best bench player on the Pacers finals team for nothing just so his kid could make some spending cash.
Leon Rose, the man who signed R_ Barret to a 4 year $120 million extension and then had to add assets to dump him.

Replacing a re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach, with another re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach.


Leon Rose, the man who got us to the EC Finals and made us relevant again for the first time in 25 years.

This forum should give users the ability to downvote posts. I truly don't understand why some of you are here. :nonono:
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#364 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:11 pm

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fine. let's waste another season, with out easiest chance ever to make the finals on the line, on realizing that what he gives up defensively at the 5 isn't worth what you gain offensively.


he had the highest NET rating of any player on the team for the regular season and playoffs...playing mostly the 5...I'm not really sure what you expect them to do. They aren't playing him 100% at the 4...him at the 5 isn't an issue if you have an unstoppable offense.

On top of that you aren't playing Mitch 30+ minutes a game...that would be silly since its important to keep him healthy all year.


Towns had the highest plus minus on the team and we won 50+ and 2 playoff series one of them against the defending champs all with him at the 5. Why are we pretending like it was a failure

even if you just want to focus on the the ECF loss he carried us in the game 1 should-have-been win and also in the game 3 win where he took over the 4th quarter playing at the 5, if not for him doing that we would have been swept.

Starting Mitch was attempted and really didn’t have us looking any better or worse from what I could tell. Mitch started here for years and we didn’t go to the conference finals. If you look at their plus minus towns was a +7 in the pacers series anyway the only positive among any starter and Mitch was a -21. So what are we talking about wasted season lol



basketball is simple...the goal is to outscore your opponent

you can do it one of two ways.

You either play really good defense and suppress offense
You can play really good offense and outscore the opponent.

Also we don't need to be a top 10 DEF in order to win. Indy has proven that in the last two playoffs.

As much as I love Hart and think he is a winning player its clear that when teams adjusted to him by putting centers on him our offense went from setting records to us being a middle of the pack offense. You can't be a middle of the pack offense with KAT at the 5...because KAT won't help anchor a top 10 defense at the 5.

From Jan 1 till the rest of the year we were 13th ranked OFF rating...that is terrible we stopped making adjustments to the counter. If you put another shooter out there while maintaining similar defenser (which Deuce is probably a better defender than Hart) you would be better.

Now rebounding would be an issue we would need more from OG and Mikal on that end to help KAT.

But Hart and Mitch will get plenty of run the key though is make it impossible for teams to defend our offense.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#365 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:13 pm

god shammgod wrote:the starting lineup was a negative since january and we could never beat a good team all season. it didn't work. our defense was bad. everyone knew it. are we really gonna pretend like it did now ? or that mike brown can fix this ? i know, starting two midgets together is gonna fix the defense. i really hate you all. you're like charlie brown with the football.


exactly because before Jan we were #2 in OFF rating

after Jan we were #13 in OFF rating

our defense was 13th and then 16th respectively.

So basically our defense didn't change much at all...but our offense went from elite to middle of the pack.

Why do you think that was the case?
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#367 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:18 pm

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god shammgod wrote:the starting lineup was a negative since january and we could never beat a good team all season. it didn't work. our defense was bad. everyone knew it. are we really gonna pretend like it did now ? or that mike brown can fix this ? i know, starting two midgets together is gonna fix the defense. i really hate you all. you're like charlie brown with the football.


exactly because before Jan we were #2 in OFF rating

after Jan we were #13 in OFF rating

our defense was 13th and then 16th respectively.

So basically our defense didn't change much at all...but our offense went from elite to middle of the pack.

Why do you think that was the case?


because teams take a little while to figure you out. defense is the bigger problem with this team but everyone here still doesn't get it. it's amazing.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#368 » by nedleeds » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:18 pm

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nedleeds wrote:Image

Leon Rose, the man who brought you 5 picks and Grimes for KCP.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you four-year deal worth up to $78 million for Evan Fournier.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you 2 years of guaranteed Kemba Walker.
Leon Rose who traded the best bench player on the Pacers finals team for nothing just so his kid could make some spending cash.
Leon Rose, the man who signed R_ Barret to a 4 year $120 million extension and then had to add assets to dump him.

Replacing a re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach, with another re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach.


Add assets to dump RJ? He was combined with IQ for OG and no picks included.

I mean, the rest is right.


I think RJ with that deal with a negative contract. The OG deal was ok and maybe even good in hindsight given the younger Quickly has been as hurt as OG.

But anyway, Mike Brown certainly cleanses any of Leons past sins.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#369 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:19 pm

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god shammgod wrote:the starting lineup was a negative since january and we could never beat a good team all season. it didn't work. our defense was bad. everyone knew it. are we really gonna pretend like it did now ? or that mike brown can fix this ? i know, starting two midgets together is gonna fix the defense. i really hate you all. you're like charlie brown with the football.


exactly because before Jan we were #2 in OFF rating

after Jan we were #13 in OFF rating

our defense was 13th and then 16th respectively.

So basically our defense didn't change much at all...but our offense went from elite to middle of the pack.

Why do you think that was the case?


because teams take a little while to figure you out. defense is the bigger problem with this team but everyone here still doesn't get it. it's amazing.


that change in offensive rating doesn't have anything to do with how teams started to defend Hart/KAT?

we legit went from #5 in the league in NET rating a top 5 ranking

to #16 in the league in NET rating Jan on....

with the defense basically being the exact same :lol:
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#370 » by nedleeds » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:19 pm

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Leon Rose, the man who brought you 5 picks and Grimes for KCP.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you four-year deal worth up to $78 million for Evan Fournier.
Leon Rose, the man who brought you 2 years of guaranteed Kemba Walker.
Leon Rose who traded the best bench player on the Pacers finals team for nothing just so his kid could make some spending cash.
Leon Rose, the man who signed R_ Barret to a 4 year $120 million extension and then had to add assets to dump him.

Replacing a re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach, with another re-tread go nowhere treadmill coach.


Leon Rose, the man who got us to the EC Finals and made us relevant again for the first time in 25 years.

This forum should give users the ability to downvote posts. I truly don't understand why some of you are here. :nonono:

Jason Tatums achilles and Rick Brunsons bank account got us to the EC Finals.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#371 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:21 pm

people saw sabonis and fox with mike brown and want that for themselves like they were actually any good. jesus.
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Post#373 » by Knicksman780 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:23 pm

JXL wrote:What was the stats from his Kings tenure (when they made the playoffs)?
They were the #1 offense in the league when he won COY with them.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#374 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:24 pm

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exactly because before Jan we were #2 in OFF rating

after Jan we were #13 in OFF rating

our defense was 13th and then 16th respectively.

So basically our defense didn't change much at all...but our offense went from elite to middle of the pack.

Why do you think that was the case?


because teams take a little while to figure you out. defense is the bigger problem with this team but everyone here still doesn't get it. it's amazing.


that change in offensive rating doesn't have anything to do with how teams started to defend Hart/KAT?

we legit went from #5 in the league in NET rating a top 5 ranking

to #16 in the league in NET rating Jan on....

with the defense basically being the exact same :lol:


yes they did but i don't care. i care about how we play defense. you can't win it all being a bad defensive team. i feel like i'm taking crazy pills.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#375 » by BKlutch » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:25 pm

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Context wrote:This is not about Stephen A. Some good info on Brown and how he defers from Thibs.


This is actually great. You’re right, it’s not about SAS. Starts with Windy. When SAS talks, he’s not doing his shtick at all. Just straight analysis. He’s at his very best here- rare as that is!

I never knew Mike Brown was more accomplished than Thibs. I just ran with the negative rep I was hearing about Brown. The first thing that jumps off to me is his open-mindedness. I also like that he's 55 and has won 4 chips as an assistant. I like that he will be motivated to win his first chip as a coach. He also had the #1 defense and #1 offense in his careers. He's coached Lebron and Kobe and has worked with Pop and Kerr.

Leon brought us from horse shyt to the ECF. At the least he deserves our support for Brown unless we have good reason to believe it isn’t working.
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#376 » by god shammgod » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:25 pm

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JXL wrote:What was the stats from his Kings tenure (when they made the playoffs)?
They were the #1 offense in the league when he won COY with them.


and they lost in round 1
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Post#377 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:26 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:
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because teams take a little while to figure you out. defense is the bigger problem with this team but everyone here still doesn't get it. it's amazing.


that change in offensive rating doesn't have anything to do with how teams started to defend Hart/KAT?

we legit went from #5 in the league in NET rating a top 5 ranking

to #16 in the league in NET rating Jan on....

with the defense basically being the exact same :lol:


yes they did but i don't care. i care about how we play defense. you can't win it all being a bad defensive team. i feel like i'm taking crazy pills.


You can't win with a 10ish ranked DEF and a top rated OFF?

Mitch basically didn't play all year and we were ranked 13th DEF with KAT at center all year. If Mitch isn't starting it doesn't mean he's dead.
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Post#378 » by kNicksGmen » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:27 pm

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G_K_F wrote:Over/under he gets fired within 2 years?


if he doesn't make the finals he's probably getting fired after this year

I don't agree but circumstances obviously matter. Knicks were extremely fortunate this past season in terms of health for the playoffs. If Brown has that same fortune then it's feasible but still not probable imo - you don't fire a coach after 1 year unless it's a complete disaster.
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Post#379 » by spree8 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:28 pm

god shammgod wrote:the starting lineup was a negative since january and we could never beat a good team all season. it didn't work. our defense was bad. everyone knew it. are we really gonna pretend like it did now ? or that mike brown can fix this ? i know, starting two midgets together is gonna fix the defense. i really hate you all. you're like charlie brown with the football.



Two midgets? Um the champions played like 5 guard lineups all season and had one of the best defenses of all time :lol:

Put some respect on Deuce’s name
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Re: Knicks to Hire Mike Brown as Next Head Coach 

Post#380 » by mpharris36 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:28 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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JXL wrote:What was the stats from his Kings tenure (when they made the playoffs)?
They were the #1 offense in the league when he won COY with them.


and they lost in round 1


they took the warriors to 7 games (for a team that had zero expectations) and does anyone think Fox/Sabonis is close to Brunson/KAT talent wise? And the kings didn't have OG/Mikal/Mitch supporting cast.
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