EXTEND WELTMAN

[eyriq]

:noway:

You want to extend the guy who finally had his first great offseason only after his seat starting getting warm because of his constant bare-minimum efforts and his glacial-paced decision making on obvious issues? No thanks. I'm not sticking with a guy who only does a good job when his job in danger.

Get off your knees and stop embarrassing yourself.

Let me get this straight. Weltman turns a lottery treadmill into a young juggernaut roster with two All-Star cornerstones, a top-two defense, and the perfectly timed Bane trade, yet your deal-breaker is that he did not work fast enough for your taste. That is like firing a surgeon because the operation took four hours instead of three while the patient is walking out healthy. I will take the results and leave the outrage.

[CalOrl11]

I've liked what we have done this offseason but we still haven't achieved anything yet. If someone told me 8 years ago when he joined that we would not win a playoff series by 2025 I wouldn't be impressed.

[bigdogdylan5]

This is hilarious but you all jumping on this as premature is kinda making Eyrig point.

[eyriq]

This is hilarious but you all jumping on this as premature is kinda making Eyrig point.

Exactly. The fact that people are calling the question “premature” after a multi-year rebuild that just produced a 47-win team, two All-Star level cornerstones, and a perfectly timed consolidation trade kind of proves the point.

If that still isn’t enough to even ask the question, then what is? Some folks are more comfortable moving the bar than admitting we’re in a good place.

[Knightro]

:noway:

You want to extend the guy who finally had his first great offseason only after his seat starting getting warm because of his constant bare-minimum efforts and his glacial-paced decision making on obvious issues? No thanks. I'm not sticking with a guy who only does a good job when his job in danger.

Get off your knees and stop embarrassing yourself.

Let me get this straight. Weltman turns a lottery treadmill into a young juggernaut roster with two All-Star cornerstones, a top-two defense, and the perfectly timed Bane trade.

All they are right now is a team that has never won a playoff series.

Of course we’re all hoping that changes this year, but to call this a young juggernaut roster is just a wildly inflated thing to say.

[bigdogdylan5]

Ok but this is what pisses me off everyone seems totally willing to pile on in that Fire Weltman thread after a no deadline move. But god forbid we be slightly positive then it’s premature! No one knows what’s available no one knows what teams want for Colby White or whatever player of the month they wanted. The end result of the year you all lost your mind for, was an injury year from hell where they finished 41-41. We spanked the Hawks and acquitted ourselves very well against Boston even getting media attention from how close those games were. If you go ask Boston fans they blame us for really beating them up and making them work in the first round. But no positivity around here allowed “your all homers.”

So then we go and get an elite solution to our most obvious flaw that everyone agrees is our huge problem, who everyone who knows basketball lauds as a perfect fit. Nope can’t be happy yet! “We gave up to many picks it’s horrible value.” “Weltman only did it because he had too”. “Ibaka trade 2.0”. Then we go and get two players in the draft using our second round picks to address more needs. Nope! “Gave up too many picks to move up for Penda”. “Richardson is way too short”. Lastly they go get one of the smartest backup PGs to help fill our second most critical need who also helps shooting. Nope not enough! So I ask when am I allowed to be happy? Is it not till we are lifting up the trophy?

[msmoore66]

Hang him from the rafters!

[eyriq]

:noway:

You want to extend the guy who finally had his first great offseason only after his seat starting getting warm because of his constant bare-minimum efforts and his glacial-paced decision making on obvious issues? No thanks. I'm not sticking with a guy who only does a good job when his job in danger.

Get off your knees and stop embarrassing yourself.

Let me get this straight. Weltman turns a lottery treadmill into a young juggernaut roster with two All-Star cornerstones, a top-two defense, and the perfectly timed Bane trade.

All they are right now is a team that has never won a playoff series.

Of course we’re all hoping that changes this year, but to call this a young juggernaut roster is just a wildly inflated thing to say.

This is one of the best young cores we have ever seen, or have you been sleeping in class? Three starters at 21, 22, and 22 won 47 games and anchored a top defense. That is not something you brush under the rug. It's rare and celebratory.

You do not win that much, that young, unless your core is tracking toward elite status. Calling that a juggernaut in the making is not premature. It is just recognizing the trajectory.

[eyriq]

Ok but this is what pisses me off everyone seems totally willing to pile on in that Fire Weltman thread after a no deadline move. But god forbid we be slightly positive then it’s premature! No one knows what’s available no one knows what teams want for Colby White or whatever player of the month they wanted. The end result of the year you all lost your mind for, was an injury year from hell where they finished 41-41. We spanked the Hawks and acquitted ourselves very well against Boston even getting media attention from how close those games were. If you go ask Boston fans they blame us for really beating them up and making them work in the first round. But no positivity around here allowed “your all homers.”

So then we go and get an elite solution to our most obvious flaw that everyone agrees is our huge problem, who everyone who knows basketball lauds as a perfect fit. Nope can’t be happy yet! “We gave up to many picks it’s horrible value.” “Weltman only did it because he had too”. “Ibaka trade 2.0”. Then we go and get two players in the draft using our second round picks to address more needs. Nope! “Gave up too many picks to move up for Penda”. “Richardson is way too short”. Lastly they go get one of the smartest backup PGs to help fill our second most critical need who also helps shooting. Nope not enough! So I ask when am I allowed to be happy? Is it not till we are lifting up the trophy?

I love this, honestly. The mental gymnastics some posters go through to suppress optimism and push these Negative Nancy takes is wild. Most of the criticism is built on counterfactuals, hindsight, and a total misunderstanding of how sustainable team-building actually works.

That mindset thrived during the Hennigan era because the front office really was a mess. But they have not adjusted their playbook. Now there’s a new sheriff in town who actually knows what he’s doing, and instead of recalibrating, they’re doubling down and setting themselves up to look foolish.

Weltman just executed a model rebuild, addressed every key need this offseason, and moved decisively at the right moment. If that still isn’t enough to allow for some excitement, maybe the issue isn’t the front office.

[Bensational]

Ok but this is what pisses me off everyone seems totally willing to pile on in that Fire Weltman thread after a no deadline move. But god forbid we be slightly positive then it’s premature! No one knows what’s available no one knows what teams want for Colby White or whatever player of the month they wanted. The end result of the year you all lost your mind for, was an injury year from hell where they finished 41-41. We spanked the Hawks and acquitted ourselves very well against Boston even getting media attention from how close those games were. If you go ask Boston fans they blame us for really beating them up and making them work in the first round. But no positivity around here allowed “your all homers.”

So then we go and get an elite solution to our most obvious flaw that everyone agrees is our huge problem, who everyone who knows basketball lauds as a perfect fit. Nope can’t be happy yet! “We gave up to many picks it’s horrible value.” “Weltman only did it because he had too”. “Ibaka trade 2.0”. Then we go and get two players in the draft using our second round picks to address more needs. Nope! “Gave up too many picks to move up for Penda”. “Richardson is way too short”. Lastly they go get one of the smartest backup PGs to help fill our second most critical need who also helps shooting. Nope not enough! So I ask when am I allowed to be happy? Is it not till we are lifting up the trophy?

I love this, honestly. The mental gymnastics some posters go through to suppress optimism and push these Negative Nancy takes is wild. Most of the criticism is built on counterfactuals, hindsight, and a total misunderstanding of how sustainable team-building actually works.

That mindset thrived during the Hennigan era because the front office really was a mess. But they have not adjusted their playbook. Now there’s a new sheriff in town who actually knows what he’s doing, and instead of recalibrating, they’re doubling down and setting themselves up to look foolish.

Weltman just executed a model rebuild, addressed every key need this offseason, and moved decisively at the right moment. If that still isn’t enough to allow for some excitement, maybe the issue isn’t the front office.

[Knightro]

This is one of the best young cores we have ever seen, or have you been sleeping in class? Three starters at 21, 22, and 22 won 47 games and anchored a top defense. That is not something you brush under the rug. It's rare and celebratory.

You do not win that much, that young, unless your core is tracking toward elite status. Calling that a juggernaut in the making is not premature. It is just recognizing the trajectory.

What's frustrating about all of this is that you're a smart guy and I like you.

But you generally make other posters dislike you a LOT more than is fair with how much you overstate things.

Toxic positively absolutely is a thing and you're by far the most guilty of it on this board.

It is what it is, not telling you how to post, but I know people are turned off by it and that is really unfortunate.

[SOUL]

Hang him from the rafters!

[Bensational]

This is one of the best young cores we have ever seen, or have you been sleeping in class? Three starters at 21, 22, and 22 won 47 games and anchored a top defense. That is not something you brush under the rug. It's rare and celebratory.

You do not win that much, that young, unless your core is tracking toward elite status. Calling that a juggernaut in the making is not premature. It is just recognizing the trajectory.

What's frustrating about all of this is that you're a smart guy and I like you.

But you generally make other posters dislike you a LOT more than is fair with how much you overstate things.

Toxic positively absolutely is a thing and you're by far the most guilty of it on this board.

It is what it is, not telling you how to post, but I know people are turned off by it and that is really unfortunate.

Let’s be real bro. The only thing toxic is everyone’s collective disagreeability and refusal to accept other opinions. We’re ALL guilty of it.

Question is, do you want to fight for reasons to be pessimistic, or hopeful?

[msmoore66]

Hang him from the rafters!

Well he doesn't have a jersey you see

[Knightro]

Let’s be real bro. The only thing toxic is everyone’s collective disagreeability and refusal to accept other opinions. We’re ALL guilty of it.

Question is, do you want to fight for reasons to be pessimistic, or hopeful?

I don't think it's helpful for posters to oversell things or perhaps more specifically treat things like accomplishments that haven't actually occurred yet.

Optimism is fine. But making things out to be far beyond what they actually are in reality isn't great IMO.

[msmoore66]

This is one of the best young cores we have ever seen, or have you been sleeping in class? Three starters at 21, 22, and 22 won 47 games and anchored a top defense. That is not something you brush under the rug. It's rare and celebratory.

You do not win that much, that young, unless your core is tracking toward elite status. Calling that a juggernaut in the making is not premature. It is just recognizing the trajectory.

What's frustrating about all of this is that you're a smart guy and I like you.

But you generally make other posters dislike you a LOT more than is fair with how much you overstate things.

Toxic positively absolutely is a thing and you're by far the most guilty of it on this board.

It is what it is, not telling you how to post, but I know people are turned off by it and that is really unfortunate.

Let’s be real bro. The only thing toxic is everyone’s collective disagreeability and refusal to accept other opinions. We’re ALL guilty of it.

Question is, do you want to fight for reasons to be pessimistic, or hopeful?

I too like Eyriq's positivity. It's harder to be optimistic and hopeful as you set yourself up for the fall, but I prefer it. Without wanting to be antagonistic.... it's the brave choice

[eyriq]

This is one of the best young cores we have ever seen, or have you been sleeping in class? Three starters at 21, 22, and 22 won 47 games and anchored a top defense. That is not something you brush under the rug. It's rare and celebratory.

You do not win that much, that young, unless your core is tracking toward elite status. Calling that a juggernaut in the making is not premature. It is just recognizing the trajectory.

What's frustrating about all of this is that you're a smart guy and I like you.

But you generally make other posters dislike you a LOT more than is fair with how much you overstate things.

Toxic positively absolutely is a thing and you're by far the most guilty of it on this board.

It is what it is, not telling you how to post, but I know people are turned off by it and that is really unfortunate.

I’m not here to manage people’s comfort levels. If calling a well-constructed, 47-win team with three starters under 23 one of the best young cores we’ve seen makes people uncomfortable, that’s not my problem. It’s a fact worth stating.

This whole idea of “toxic optimism” gets thrown around whenever someone expresses confidence that isn’t laced with qualifiers and fear of being wrong. It’s a coping mechanism for people who got burned during the Hennigan years and haven’t updated their worldview. There’s nothing toxic about recognizing progress when it’s backed by results and clear process.

If someone wants to stay cynical until we hang a banner, go for it. But I’m going to keep calling things as they are, not waiting for permission to be excited about a team that’s finally doing it right.

[eyriq]

Let’s be real bro. The only thing toxic is everyone’s collective disagreeability and refusal to accept other opinions. We’re ALL guilty of it.

Question is, do you want to fight for reasons to be pessimistic, or hopeful?

I don't think it's helpful for posters to oversell things or perhaps more specifically treat things like accomplishments that haven't actually occurred yet.

Optimism is fine. But making things out to be far beyond what they actually are in reality isn't great IMO.

So optimism is fine, as long as it fits your standards? That sounds less like objectivity and more like gatekeeping.

You don’t have to share the optimism, but trying to police it just proves the point.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I’m going to wait this one out

[Bensational]

Let’s be real bro. The only thing toxic is everyone’s collective disagreeability and refusal to accept other opinions. We’re ALL guilty of it.

Question is, do you want to fight for reasons to be pessimistic, or hopeful?

I don't think it's helpful for posters to oversell things or perhaps more specifically treat things like accomplishments that haven't actually occurred yet.

Optimism is fine. But making things out to be far beyond what they actually are in reality isn't great IMO.

As opposed to the incessant doom and gloom posting of recent years? So it’s ok for you to wallow and doubt the team and question everything from management to coach to our franchise player during a slump, where you projected that the team has low odds of being a real contender - but after a whirlwind of brilliant offseason moves optimism somehow becomes “toxic”?

I get it, a lot of people have railed hard against Weltman for years and become entrenched in those opinions, and now that all their demands have been met they see admitting that Weltman had done a good job would be losing face. That’s not constructive evaluation, that’s just us and our egos. Being threatened by positivity should be a wake up call - let go of the fear and embrace the hope!