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Post#421 » by bstein14 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 5:34 am

Snakebites wrote:For those thinking Monk is an “asset” that can later be flipped- reporting has been that his market is nonexistent right now.


100% I would rather have the trade exception than Monk. That said, I still think we could use one more good rotation worthy player and I think we're flexible enough roster wise (in part because something like Ausar can defend anyone) they it could be anyone from 1-4 that we add to the mix. I don't think we turn someone away because they are 6'3" I think we get whoever we can get that's going to be a decent rotation player for us.


That said, I think Monk is without a doubt overpaid for what he's been producing he's an MLE at best if a FA this summer he might have gotten less than LeVert or Duncan Robinson. He's still a solid rotation player its just 3 years $60+ million a lot especially when teams are up against the luxury tax.
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Post#422 » by tmorgan » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:29 am

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tmorgan wrote:Also, Kuminga is a frikkin bonehead.


So is beef stew, and apparently Beasley.


Stewart’s hardly a bonehead. He’s calm and coherent in interviews, appreciates his role in Detroit and takes pride in his defense. His temper is bad, for sure, and he makes some bad decisions as a result. But he’s not stupid.

Beasley appears to be a bonehead off the court for sure.

Kuminga is a bonehead on the court. He’s had years to absorb Golden Stare’s defensive and offensive game plans and still can’t do it. He’s a great athlete with some basketball skills, but he still can’t play any defense beyond simple man, and his passing is atrocious. If he can’t drive and draw fouls, he makes endless mistakes. There’s a reason why the Warriors want to move on and why he can’t get consistent minutes. He’s not anyone’s PFotF that’s serious about playing smart team basketball.
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Post#423 » by MotownMadness » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:39 am

I really don’t think Monk makes sense here at 60 mil while we have a hole up front. I know a lot of Pistons fans want him though.
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Post#424 » by catari11 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:21 pm

Adding Monk makes little sense given the Pistons' glaring needs: PF, vet PG. The idea of Ausar, Klintman, or Robinson playing PF for any length of time is patently absurd. Better the Pistons take the trade exception or flip Monk (if they can). Surely JB and TL recognize this state of affairs!?!
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Post#425 » by Canadafan » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:40 pm

This rumor has to be false, especially in Warriors case. Why the heck would they trade kuminga for Saric and Carter? Thats not happening. Which terrifies me that we could take those 2 on. Sadly, that would make more sense since we are the ones that were losing Shröder for nothing.
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Post#426 » by MotownMadness » Thu Jul 3, 2025 12:51 pm

Canadafan wrote:This rumor has to be false, especially in Warriors case. Why the heck would they trade kuminga for Saric and Carter? Thats not happening. Which terrifies me that we could take those 2 on. Sadly, that would make more sense since we are the ones that were losing Shröder for nothing.

Should just take the 14 mil trade exception with us instead of taking anymore scraps.

Of course I would love for them to use the 22 mil and bring back a big through the sign and trade though.
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Post#427 » by Kilo » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:12 pm

The trade doesn't make sense for Detroit or GS. Why sell so low on Kuminga? And why does Detroit need Monk with the additions of LaVert and Robinson? I don't see Monk coming unless he is rerouted for a PF, as I suspect the initial S&T discussions ended with Detroit choosing to fo the Duncan Robinson direction instead for the fit and contract flexibility.
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Post#428 » by bstein14 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:15 pm

Kilo wrote:The trade doesn't make sense for Detroit or GS. Why sell so low on Kuminga? And why does Detroit need Monk with the additions of LaVert and Robinson? I don't see Monk coming unless he is rerouted for a PF, as I suspect the initial S&T discussions ended with Detroit choosing to fo the Duncan Robinson direction instead for the fit and contract flexibility.



Kuminga is a FA, and Golden State is trying to win a championship now and they realize that Kuminga (at 22) still isn't playing winning basketball. They don't want to give him $20 million per year. I'm sure if they would match what Sacramento is offering he would stay there. Since he's a RFA if a team like Sacramento doesn't want GS to match its common practice to give up something small as an incentive to make it a sign-and-trade instead of just signing an offer sheet and hoping they don't match.

If we S&T Schroeder to Sacramento their next move is likely to then use their full MLE on an offer sheet for Kuminga assuming they can also offload Monk's salary somehow.
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Post#429 » by theBigLip » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:17 pm

The idea that the Kings, Warriors, and Pistons are seriously discussing a three-team trade that would see both Kuminga and Schröder signed-and-traded to Sacramento is “totally false,” a source tells Jason Anderson of The Sacramento Bee. Although the Kings have interest in Kuminga, those talks are unrelated to their deal for Schröder, according to Anderson.
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Post#430 » by bstein14 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:17 pm

On our end, if we traded for Monk we could then turn around and immediately trade him for John Collins if Utah wanted Monk over Collins. I doubt that is the case though unless we're adding in some draft capital.
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Post#431 » by bstein14 » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:20 pm

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The idea that the Kings, Warriors, and Pistons are seriously discussing a three-team trade that would see both Kuminga and Schröder signed-and-traded to Sacramento is “totally false,” a source tells Jason Anderson of The Sacramento Bee. Although the Kings have interest in Kuminga, those talks are unrelated to their deal for Schröder, according to Anderson.


So perhaps on our end, Sacramento only wants to give us Monk for Schroeder in a sign-and-trade if Kuminga is willing to sign with Sacramento on a full MLE offer (they'd still have bceause they won't have to give it to Schroeder).

Perhaps Kuminga is holding up because GS isn't sure yet whether or not they want to match that offer... part of GS's reported hold up on everything is they are still waiting on Al Horford to make a decision. GS seems less likely to keep Kuminga if Horford is heading to GS.
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Post#432 » by blog_pistons » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:44 pm

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Post#433 » by Piston Pete » Thu Jul 3, 2025 1:47 pm

It’s been repeated in here that there is no market at all for Monk. If there is no market for Monk, it would make sense we don’t want him.

A) we have no need for him depth-wise
B) we can’t flip him for anything of value


Just get a 2nd rounder and a TPE and call it a day.
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Post#434 » by ducler » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:05 pm

Jazz can use Monk as starting SG now with both Clarkson and Sexton gone. We can use one of their PF (Markkanen or Collins).

Option 1:
- To DET: Markkanen
- To SAC: Schröder (and then they can sign Kuminga to an offer sheet)
- To UTA: Harris + Monk + picks

Option 2:
- To DET: Collins
- To SAC: Schröder (and then they can sign Kuminga to an offer sheet)
- To UTA: Monk + picks
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Post#435 » by Billl » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:17 pm

Unlike most teams, the pistons balance sheet likely would be better taking on a significant contract than letting Schroder leave for nothing. At some point in the next year or 2, we'll start pushing some chips in to get cade a true #2. That's likely to cost a young player or 2 and picks. Since we aren't going to go back under the cap anytime soon, we'll also need some salary ballast to make it work. Obviously, we don't want bad contracts on the books, but we can afford to take on some neutral money.

Also, in terms of fit, we should be thinking long term fit with cade. If there is some short term duplication with other guys, that's OK as long as it's along the line of "perimeter players that can shoot" and not "3 traditional centers". We still need to be stockpiling talent because some of there pieces will likely be moving on at some point soonish.
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Post#436 » by Kilo » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:22 pm

ducler wrote:Jazz can use Monk as starting SG now with both Clarkson and Sexton gone. We can use one of their PF (Markkanen or Collins).

Option 1:
- To DET: Markkanen
- To SAC: Schröder (and then they can sign Kuminga to an offer sheet)
- To UTA: Harris + Monk + picks

Option 2:
- To DET: Collins
- To SAC: Schröder (and then they can sign Kuminga to an offer sheet)
- To UTA: Monk + picks


Jazz are full tank as they lose their FRP if it is later than 8th, but if they keep pick this year it becomes two SRPs. They need to finish in bottom 4 to insure they don't fall back to 8th pick.
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Post#437 » by Crymson » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:18 am

ducler wrote:Jazz can use Monk as starting SG now with both Clarkson and Sexton gone. We can use one of their PF (Markkanen or Collins).


The Jazz just deliberately got rid of Clarkson and Sexton -- one by paying a minor asset, the other via buyout -- both of whom play similarly to Monk. They will not have gotten rid of those two just to replace one of them with somebody very alike.
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Re: Pistons related Free Agency Thread 

Post#438 » by Snakebites » Fri Jul 4, 2025 5:15 am

To me Malik Monk is an archetype that is going extinct in the NBA- the super inefficient undersized shooting guard 6th man. The era where guys like that win 6th man of the year most of the time is over IMO.

It’s the type of player I hope Ivey doesn’t become.

Those guys might not go extinct in the NBA, but they are certainly going to stop making 20 mill per year.

There’s a reason his market doesn’t exist.
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Post#439 » by Collymore » Fri Jul 4, 2025 11:06 am

the pistons are crushing it this off season. delclared winners in the ringers winners/losers-rating
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Post#440 » by tmorgan » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:02 pm

It’s nice having a GM that can think more than one step ahead.

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